Most difficult games you've played that's not a shumps?

BUHA · Post by **BUHA** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:51 am

Battletoads on NES isn't THAT hard. You rack up lives like crazy on it. I've beaten it and I was seriously about one life away from a 1CC. If I practiced just a little more I would have 1CC'd it.

I'm gonna have to say Ghosts N Goblins is one of the hardest games I can think of.

Davey · Post by **Davey** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:21 am

It's probably easier to clear Battletoads on one credit than two. I always needed all those stocked-up lives for the last level.

zaphod · Post by **zaphod** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:57 pm

Clinger WIngers still kills me on battle toads. Of course that's because I'm playing under emulation. This is one game that MUST be played on the real thing, or the floaty controls will kill you on that level.

The rat race seems totally unfair, but you can cheeze your way thru it by killing the rat on the last race (laugh). you won't even havve to fight the boss!

The final level (revolution) is hard too, but it is fair.

Ghosts and goblins has only 2 loops. and yes, the second loop IS harder. Of course it doesn't help that the game forces you to use a weapon with short range against the final boss.

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:46 pm

This thread is quite questionable. Where are final fight and Rolling Thunder (1 and 2)? Uhm, i'd add Metal Slug 3, too. Magic Sword is also demanding...Maybe Aliens vs Predator? I could 1-LC it, so dunno...

Will post more once i remember what i'm missing

adam76 · Post by **adam76** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:56 pm

I'd definately 2nd(20th?45th?) 'Ghosts n' Goblins' and 'Ghouls n' ghosts' as being hard as fuck. I do, however, equate with the train of thought that says that 'Super Ghouls n' Ghosts' is made considerably easier due to it's double jump. The first two i merely scraped the surface of, whereas, 'Super' i finished the first loop. Shit weapons though. Other hair-tugging nominations are 'Don Doko Don', 'Ninja Gaiden'(PCE + X-Box), 'Rolling Thunder 2'(MD), 'Head over Heals' and 'Where Time Stood Still'(speccy).

Post by **Shatterhand** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:15 pm

I've finished the SMS version of Ghouls 'n' Ghosts... I actually looped it 3 times in a row. Does it count?

Oh, Zaphod said Raid-On Bungeling Bay... I've finished this game more than a dozen of times in the MSX, I even 1-lifed it. I used to like this game a lot.

But really, you guys should get a 8-bits computer emulator (Spectrum would be the best option) and try out some spanish games of that era...

Oh, I remembered other one: Bounder. I've heard this has more than 100 different levels, but I doubt anyone can get further than level 10 anyway.

And Jack The Nipper 2... GODDAMN, that not only was incredibly hard, but it probably take HOURS to finish. The map is HUGE, and usually when you need a certain object, this object is in the OTHER side of the map, and with you being able to carry only one object at time... I would like to know someone who had finished this game, the "puzzles" are so damn obscure and the thing is so big, I think it would take too many hours (years?) to just figure out the solution of the whole game. (Herr Schatten once told me he made about 50% of the game, but I cant remember now if it was 1 or 2... 1 I did about 90%, but failed to finish it)

La Abadia Del Crimen, a spanish 8-bit classic... it took more than 10 years after its release 'til I saw a full walkthrough of it. More obscure puzzles (For those who know the game, it took me a week just to figure out what the hell I was supposed to do in the dinner time.... this is just 0.01% of the game ,and if you dont find it out, its GAME OVER..)

Shadow Of The Beast 2 - I know people who claims to have finished this, but I claim they are liars or cheaters. THIS GAME IS IMPOSSIBLE. That's it.

Auf Wiedersehn Monty - It's from the same creators of Jack The Nipper 2 (Gremlin Graphics), and it suffers from the same problem - Big map, and one item needed is usually at the other side of the map. At least here you can carry lots of items, and the map is not as huge. I think I got close to finish it, but still it was extremely hard (And that was back at time when I used to spend more than 70% of my time playing games

)...

Samudra · Post by **Samudra** » Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:51 pm

For me definately Out of this World and Heart of the Alien. There is just so little room for mistakes.

That sure is one dangerous planet. Alien, who is native to the place even, meets death at every step. Bats, acid, &c. and these people build their village right in the middle!

MOSQUITO FIGHTER · Post by **MOSQUITO FIGHTER** » Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:06 pm

Final Fight would be hard if it wasn't for the turn around punch bug that can be used with cody(I've just played the snes version so I don't know if this is possible in the arcade or other versions). But trying to beat the game with Haggar is a complete pain.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:09 am

Ow, Come on...

Out of this World is stupidly easy. It was largely criticized for being too easy back at the day. Not to mention that, if you know what you're doing, the game takes 30 minutes or less to be finished. It took me less than a week to finish it.

It's an AWESOME, WONDERFUL, FANTASTIC game, but really is very very easy.

Heart of Alien I wont say its easy, as I had the game in my home for 15 days and couldnt beat it.

Bloodreign · Post by **Bloodreign** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:28 am

As another thread here reminded me, Karnov, and once again, another tough cookie there. I've gotten my ass handed to me plenty of times on the NES version a friend of mine owned a few years back, the NES powerup system was strange because when you moved Karnov his powerup bar would move as well to the next item. The arcade version I find more bearable but still difficult.

chtimi-CLA · Post by **chtimi-CLA** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:53 pm

zaphod wrote:Ghosts and goblins has only 2 loops. and yes, the second loop IS harder. Of course it doesn't help that the game forces you to use a weapon with short range against the final boss.

no, i guarantee you it continues to loop after the true ending.

zaphod · Post by **zaphod** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:25 am

my bad. it was the nes one that did end after the second loop. i knw because when yo uactivate stage select, and beat the lass boss twice (really easy) it ends.

and msx raid on bunbeling bay does NOT COUNT. play it on C64.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:08 pm

Shatterhand wrote:La Abadia Del Crimen, a spanish 8-bit classic... it took more than 10 years after its release 'til I saw a full walkthrough of it. More obscure puzzles (For those who know the game, it took me a week just to figure out what the hell I was supposed to do in the dinner time.... this is just 0.01% of the game ,and if you dont find it out, its GAME OVER..)

this looks incredible. very nice graphics.

Samudra · Post by **Samudra** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:09 pm

Shatterhand wrote:Ow, Come on...

Out of this World is stupidly easy. It was largely criticized for being too easy back at the day. Not to mention that, if you know what you're doing, the game takes 30 minutes or less to be finished. It took me less than a week to finish it.

It's an AWESOME, WONDERFUL, FANTASTIC game, but really is very very easy.

Heart of Alien I wont say its easy, as I had the game in my home for 15 days and couldnt beat it.

It is too short perhaps, but easy? I'd like to see a person who plays the game for the first time and doesn't die every screen. If you admit the impossibility of this scenario then the game can only be typified as hard.

The game becomes short when you know what to do and easy if you know when and how to do it. But calling the game easy because of this is a fallacy, because even Contra Hard Corps becomes easy at this point.

I on the other hand finished Heart of the Alien, but Out of this World is still waiting to be.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:29 pm

Shatterhand wrote:La Abadia Del Crimen

sort of a resurrection of an old topic, but i found some interesting stuff about this.

8-bit version

ported 32-bit version (available here for free)

test render of a 3d version(seems that way at least)

SuperGrafx · Post by **SuperGrafx** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:20 pm

For me, it's a toss up between Chakan on the Genesis/MD and Super Ghouls N Ghosts on SNES.
Even today, SGNG torments me. Having it included on the recent Capcom Classics Collection only adds to the pain.

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:40 pm

Shatterhand wrote: Shadow Of The Beast 2 - I know people who claims to have finished this, but I claim they are liars or cheaters. THIS GAME IS IMPOSSIBLE. That's it.

All Shadow of the Beasts seem impossible to me.

Fenrir · Post by **Fenrir** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:59 pm

landshark wrote:
Shatterhand wrote: Shadow Of The Beast 2 - I know people who claims to have finished this, but I claim they are liars or cheaters. THIS GAME IS IMPOSSIBLE. That's it.
All Shadow of the Beasts seem impossible to me.

Shadow III isn't that impossible. But II is irrationally hard. I've yet got to see someone finishing it as well

rolins · Post by **rolins** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:24 pm

The Adventures of Bayou Billy
Solstice
Robocop 2
TMNT
Battletoads
Castlevania X68000

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:50 pm

Oh yeah, Astyanax (NES). Last boss was sick.

raiden · Post by **raiden** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:44 am

'Ninja Gaiden'(PCE + X-Box)

PCE may be hard, but the Xbox game is a piece of cake. Unnerving savepoints, yes, but after reaching level 7, you learned all the moves necessary to go through the remaining 9 levels. Jump+Y, iirc, was the killer move.
Haven´t played Ninja Gaiden Black, though.

rolins · Post by **rolins** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:32 pm

Ninja Gaiden PCE hard???

This game is not impossible, in fact it's just too easy. The first time I got this game I cleared thru it in three hours.

The nes version of Ninja Gaiden is harder and, for a time, was near-impossible for me. But I've played this one to death and can beat the game with one life.

Post by **Ghegs** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:53 pm

rolins wrote:Ninja Gaiden PCE hard???

This game is not impossible, in fact it's just too easy. The first time I got this game I cleared thru it in three hours.

Creditfeeding doesn't count.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:58 pm

Ghegs wrote:
rolins wrote:Ninja Gaiden PCE hard???
This game is not impossible, in fact it's just too easy. The first time I got this game I cleared thru it in three hours.
Creditfeeding doesn't count.

rolins · Post by **rolins** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:05 pm

Ghegs wrote:
rolins wrote:Ninja Gaiden PCE hard???

This game is not impossible, in fact it's just too easy. The first time I got this game I cleared thru it in three hours.
Creditfeeding doesn't count.

True, I think it took me 5 continues. I after charged thru it, I was really disappionted with this game. It wasn't worth the $40 I paid for it.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:08 pm

La Abadia Del Crimen had like 312674362 fan-made remakes. It has a big fan base.

Shadow III indeed is doable, I got real close to finish it. 1 and 2 are impossible

I also finished NES TMNT, though I won't way it was an easy ride

And honestly, all those japanese games can't get close of the difficulty level of 8-bits european games. Back when I had better reflexes and dedicated more time to play games, I still couldn't finish most of those games.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:09 pm

Shatterhand wrote:La Abadia Del Crimen had like 312674362 fan-made remakes. It has a big fan base.

i wish my spanish were better. i'd love to give it a try.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:18 pm

chess

Post by **Shatterhand** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:43 pm

captain ahar wrote:
Shatterhand wrote:La Abadia Del Crimen had like 312674362 fan-made remakes. It has a big fan base.
i wish my spanish were better. i'd love to give it a try.

There's at least one remake which is in english

I think there's a PC version in english, and the MSX 2 remake was done both in english and spanish.

Bydobasher · Post by **Bydobasher** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:23 am

Bloodreign wrote:Anyone ever beat [Ninja Spirit] in 1CC or at all without cheating?

Yes, I managed it just now. Last year I beat in on Easy, so I tried it on Normal today and didn't find it all that different. By far the most difficult portion is right before the final boss, when you have to navigate the chasm of ninja. This is maybe the most unfair portion of a videogame I've ever seen. As usual, it took me bags of credits to get down to the bottom.

This game is so cool, but Irem ruined it by making it unreasonably hard. I think I can even accept everything up until the "chasm of death", but that part is just dumb. It's this close to being impossible.