The BIG thread of Shmup grievances.

[Special World]

Even if you find somebody on the internet absolutely annoying, it's really low to say you hope they get murdered.

Just fyi.

[Illyrian]

No it isn't.

I don't actually want him murdered obviously.

He is annoying as hell and seriously, anyone who actually says Deathsmiles is impossible needs to be permabanned.

[BPzeBanshee]

Wow, my hating kinda travelled through a few people today! And Illyrian did squat - Elixir's made worse comments and I didn't see anyone picking on him at the time, and the Deadpool thread was worse too.

Anyone playing XOP Black Ultra Special and versing the TLBs? The first one is piss easy once you figure out the trick to the final pattern, and the third one is straightforward till its final phase, but the second is bullshit. I've got it just about settled but I swear there's bullets with hitboxes not in the direct center but above ESPRade style. It's really making me want to throw the fucking monitor through the fucking window out onto the fucking grass and fucking throw chairs and eggs fucking hardcore style. [/GordonRamsay]

I approve of this rage.

You should totally buy the XOP Ultra Bundle and attempt the TLBs with me, and then if you find those you can go to the normal XOP Black and set it to Normal difficulty. No insanity there at all, just your kind of challenge. I know you can do it.

Before that though, can you fix the misinformation you posted regarding Australia in your DFK PAL thread? I think you might be able to start shedding the troll reputation if you did.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

You should totally buy the XOP Ultra Bundle and attempt the TLBs with me, and then if you find those you can go to the normal XOP Black and set it to Normal difficulty. No insanity there at all, just your kind of challenge. I know you can do it.

Thats the thing is it. there are plenty of easy PC shmups out there, but he continues to play harder 360 games for the 1CC, that he gets zero fun from, the only enjoyment he gets is moaning and trolling on this forum.

@DTP you moan that you cant find a shmup thats correct for your skill level, i'll say for the 100th time play some doujin, mame and retro console STGs on PC. Explore the genre and find the right shmup you can have fun with.

as other have said know your limits and set realistic goals that you can achieve with the motivation you have to play them at that time. Take myself for example, im suffering from constant headaches atm, and on my bad days im lacking in motivation, so I dont play hard shmups when im like this as it would just lead to frustration. If you really want to be good at shmups you need to learn to have fun first, it makes learning easy.

[Ed Oscuro]

I have a BIG Shmup grievance with triggering an Awesome Ghandi's Bomb after the boss dies in Odd Mobs. (Duh, I would be watching the boss bar, but it's green and tiny...got better about this all the same.)

[DrTrouserPlank]

@DTP you moan that you cant find a shmup thats correct for your skill level, i'll say for the 100th time play some doujin, mame and retro console STGs on PC. Explore the genre and find the right shmup you can have fun with.

as other have said know your limits and set realistic goals that you can achieve with the motivation you have to play them at that time. Take myself for example, im suffering from constant headaches atm, and on my bad days im lacking in motivation, so I dont play hard shmups when im like this as it would just lead to frustration. If you really want to be good at shmups you need to learn to have fun first, it makes learning easy.

Playing shmups on a PC is too muck dicking around for me. I can't use my 360 controller (I'm not buying a wired one). I have a compatible stick but it's not ideal and needs it's parts swapping.

My goal is to improve my score in THE, this will be done by dying less and getting further into the game as well as finding ways to collect more fragments on the levels I can actually clear with some reliability. I think Triggerheart is the "right" difficulty (or as "right" as any difficulty is going to be). I'm leaving my cave games alone because they piss me off too much and I can't escape the feeling that they are bullshit.

This week has not been a good week in terms of being irritable and easily annoyed; as is evidenced by this thread.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

well whatever you do try to be more positive about it, as Radient Silvergun says: Be Attitude for Gains

[AntiFritz]

The other day you were saying triggerheart was "impossible" and now your saying it has a good difficulty? Make up your damn mind.

[DrTrouserPlank]

The other day you were saying triggerheart was "impossible" and now your saying it has a good difficulty? Make up your damn mind.

No, I'm saying it the best I'm going to do difficulty-wise from the selection I have available, and one that I can enjoy playing.

[Obscura]

@DTP you moan that you cant find a shmup thats correct for your skill level, i'll say for the 100th time play some doujin, mame and retro console STGs on PC. Explore the genre and find the right shmup you can have fun with.

as other have said know your limits and set realistic goals that you can achieve with the motivation you have to play them at that time. Take myself for example, im suffering from constant headaches atm, and on my bad days im lacking in motivation, so I dont play hard shmups when im like this as it would just lead to frustration. If you really want to be good at shmups you need to learn to have fun first, it makes learning easy.

Playing shmups on a PC is too muck dicking around for me. I can't use my 360 controller (I'm not buying a wired one). I have a compatible stick but it's not ideal and needs it's parts swapping.

My goal is to improve my score in THE, this will be done by dying less and getting further into the game as well as finding ways to collect more fragments on the levels I can actually clear with some reliability. I think Triggerheart is the "right" difficulty (or as "right" as any difficulty is going to be). I'm leaving my cave games alone because they piss me off too much and I can't escape the feeling that they are bullshit.

This week has not been a good week in terms of being irritable and easily annoyed; as is evidenced by this thread.

Keyboard.

Also, really, you should try some PC shmups. I can't imagine you not being able to clear Imperishable Night, or, easier still, Blue Wish Ressurection on normal (I can't beat Futari's 3rd level, and I made it to BWR's final boss on my second credit).

[Illyrian]

Imperishible Night on easy was my first shmup clear pretty much and it is a great starting point in conjunction with blue wish ressurection.

Real talk plankytrousers, play these and work from there

[Obscura]

Also, Blue Wish Ressurection has auto-bomb by default, so those "randomly" fly into a bullet moments don't hurt much.

(It's odd arguing in favor of a game I don't like particularly much)

[mesh control]

Also, Blue Wish Ressurection has auto-bomb by default, so those "randomly" fly into a bullet moments don't hurt much.

So does DFK strong mode, but it's impossible.

[Deca]

So does DFK strong mode, but it's impossible.

Oh my god can you even begin to comprehend DTP vs the laser wheels.

[Illyrian]

So does DFK strong mode, but it's impossible.

Oh my god can you even begin to comprehend DTP vs the laser wheels.

I can, and it's hilarious.

[dunpeal2064]

I raged at those damn wheels too.

[Illyrian]

I still do a little bit, but only on the second section of them, I mostly have the first one under control now.

[gs68]

DFK seems like a credible beginner's shmup and then you get to stage 5 and then rip out the PCB and set it on fire.

[DrTrouserPlank]

ARRRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

[mesh control]

best troll

[Obscura]

After playing DeathSmiles last night, I don't know how he finds that game too hard. That has to be the easiest shmup ever made.

So, yeah, if that's "impossible", go back to playing Final Fantasy.

[MR_Soren]

Easy mode on triggerheart confuses me as well with some bullets being cancelable and some not. I think that's just as hard as dodging everything.

Use Excelica instead of Crueltear, the spread shot will wipe out the bubble bullets (which may be canceled) very quickly. Makes most patterns noticeably easier.

anyone who actually says Deathsmiles is impossible needs to be permabanned.

That actually should be a rule. It is perfectly acceptable to be unable to clear the game, but claiming that game is impossible is utterly ridiculous and clearly not a serious attempt to contribute in any discussion.

[DrTrouserPlank]

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anyone who actually says Deathsmiles is impossible needs to be permabanned.

That actually should be a rule. It is perfectly acceptable to be unable to clear the game, but claiming that game is impossible is utterly ridiculous and clearly not a serious attempt to contribute in any discussion.

I've contributed plenty to be discussed at various points. The proper discussion stopped a long time ago though after people just started trying to goad me into a response by calling me a troll and firing off any other petty insults they could come up with. As the response they wanted was never forthcoming they just resorted to being outright abusive in the end.

I wouldn't want to see anyone banned (because it would give me none of the vindictive pleasure that some people would evidently derive from seeing me banned) but there's plenty of people in my opinion who would be candidates for that before me. I actually don't think I've done much wrong other than apparently rub some people, who take their shmups a little too seriously, up the wrong way, but that's really more to do with how they've chosen to interpret my intentions and comments; more often than not deciding to take the discussions about difficulty a little too personally to be rational in their responses.

A lot of people have already formed their opinions on this whole discussion. A lot of these are tainted with a bit of personal hatred towards me along with a those who got swept along by the herd and influenced by the more outspoken and less constructive voices who always seem to shout the loudest but have the least to say.

I'm not going to keep responding about the nature of the discussion itself because this will go on forever with insults followed by congratulatory back-slapping, followed by goading, more insults and another rebuttal by me.

[Chaos Phoenixma]

When did he say Deathsmiles was impossible?

I remember him saying that it's annoying to practice bosses, which is true when you're talking about both extra stages and the final stage and was one of the reasons I haven't taken scoring very seriously. But I don't remember him saying it was impossible.


Also, i wish I would stop sucking at DFK BL Stage 1 Boss with Strong. Only one of the attacks from it even has a high chance to kill me with one other being low chance and the others a nonexistent chance, but it happens way too often. I'm also terrible at the second half of stage 2 and almost never get to the boss at Maximum bomb stock. But those are due to me being bad at the game.

[Obscura]

Because the extra stage and the bosses with their stupid off-the-scale difficulty and fucking suicide bullets ruin the game and make it impossible. The stages are impossible, the bosses are impossible. The final stage with suicide bullets is too hard, the last boss is one of the most stupid things I've ever seen. All the lives and bombs you can carry won't make any difference because you'll get through them pretty quick.

DS is a perfect example of what I said earlier. Games are either too hard or too easy, never anywhere inbetween. DS is both too hard and too easy.

edit: I was just playing it 5 minutes ago, that's why I'm in such a good mood as I'm sure you can tell.

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[Chaos Phoenixma]

Well, admittedly there are some pretty stupid patterns in the game that either have to be bombed, powered up through, or speedkilled before they show up. But that mainly applies to Black label's level 999. I think the only pattern that might legitimately require bombing/power up in the original game is the Ex Boss.

It does feel pretty wrong that if you don't have bombs or power up at some spots in 999 that you're screwed. But the game is still fun and doable if you make sure to avoid it and the suicide bullets. I could never get into level 999 due to that.

[Kiken]

Playing shmups on a PC is too muck dicking around for me. I can't use my 360 controller (I'm not buying a wired one).

If you want to use your 360 controller, just purchase one of the USB charger cables that snap onto the top of the pad... voila, your wireless pad is now wired.

[MR_Soren]

Playing shmups on a PC is too muck dicking around for me. I can't use my 360 controller (I'm not buying a wired one).

If you want to use your 360 controller, just purchase one of the USB charger cables that snap onto the top of the pad... voila, your wireless pad is now wired.

But seriously, who wants to play shoot-em-ups on a 360 pad?


Anyway, I found this video interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Afv3U_ysc

Relevant portion starts at 3:54.

[nZero]

If you want to use your 360 controller, just purchase one of the USB charger cables that snap onto the top of the pad... voila, your wireless pad is now wired.

Have you tried this? I was under the impression that the cables from the charge n' play kits for the wireless 360 controllers only carried power over USB.

[Kiken]

If you want to use your 360 controller, just purchase one of the USB charger cables that snap onto the top of the pad... voila, your wireless pad is now wired.

Have you tried this? I was under the impression that the cables from the charge n' play kits for the wireless 360 controllers only carried power over USB.

Well, I just tried it with one of my own wireless pads.. I guess it doesn't work (I could have sworn I was successful with this before). As you said, it just tries to charge the pad.. won't re-sync the controller.