Dodonpachi Saidaioujou

[Frederik]

Is there any specific reason why loke test versions are usually harder than the final games? Are people really giving feedback like "this game needs to be way easier"?

[Moniker]

Is there any specific reason why loke test versions are usually harder than the final games? Are people really giving feedback like "this game needs to be way easier"?

My first thought would be to keep the line moving, and to make sure the first stage is interesting and challenging since it's going to get a lot more play than any other part. Then again, they could always just demo stage 3 or something... Do they even take constructive criticism during these tests, or are they there mainly to build hype?

[Skykid]

It'd be a first for the Pachi series if Cave were to utilize a cool attract screen for their production DDP-SDOJ version 1.0 PCB.

Back on topic, I've always thought it's a shame Cave don't do more than a gameplay demo in their attract sequences, especially with the character artists involved.

I agree, it's always nice to have a little in the way of bonus cinemas introducing the game. Guwange has one of the best openings in their catalogue, but looking at all the promo art material in the likes of DOJ (with the ships flying over the cities/marching armies etc) they could have whipped up some amazing stuff.

[Udderdude]

It'd be a first for the Pachi series if Cave were to utilize a cool attract screen for their production DDP-SDOJ version 1.0 PCB.

Back on topic, I've always thought it's a shame Cave don't do more than a gameplay demo in their attract sequences, especially with the character artists involved.

I agree, it's always nice to have a little in the way of bonus cinemas introducing the game. Guwange has one of the best openings in their catalogue, but looking at all the promo art material in the likes of DOJ (with the ships flying over the cities/marching armies etc) they could have whipped up some amazing stuff.

Add some ridiculous english like "BIG BEE BOSS IS BACK AGAIN" and it'd be perfect.

[Skykid]

Back on topic, I've always thought it's a shame Cave don't do more than a gameplay demo in their attract sequences, especially with the character artists involved.

I agree, it's always nice to have a little in the way of bonus cinemas introducing the game. Guwange has one of the best openings in their catalogue, but looking at all the promo art material in the likes of DOJ (with the ships flying over the cities/marching armies etc) they could have whipped up some amazing stuff.

Add some ridiculous english like "BIG BEE BOSS IS BACK AGAIN" and it'd be perfect.

IGS went all out for Bee Storm's intro. I always have to leap to turn the volume down on my cab with that one, it's like some kind of apocalyptic fanfare.

[Icarus]

Like this?

[Observer]

Like this?

That's so fucking awesome it makes me cry to see the current state of things. We need more of that!!!

That's why we are all in VIOLENT CITY, playin' Raizing games.

GREAT BATTLE IS BEGINNING.

[Skykid]

Like this?

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That's what it's all about.

[chempop]

I think Dimahoo might need to be my first PCB... who has one for me?!

[Udderdude]

Like this?

That's exactly what I was thinking of, haha

[linko9]

Game looks great, honestly. Very excited for a port announcement

[moozooh]

What I like so far:
- scoring system seems to be relatively simple and accessible/noob-friendly (this being good is debatable, though);
- emphasis on survival difficulty, especially with Expert shot;
- graphics and music being somewhat better than in DFK 1.x.

What I don't like so far:
- still seems to be plagued by slowdown, including places that don't need it at all;
- art direction is bland and uninspired compared to DOJ, and hiring Namiki still isn't a good idea. He's way past his prime, and Cave has had good experience working with other musicians, like Virt for example (seriously, why not that guy?).

Also, obligatory meh at CV1000.

[Rupert H]

Dimahoo was the first game I thought of when this topic came up.

I remember when my girlfriend first saw that dude stomp on the village she said "Right, that fucker is going to pay." That's the kind of emotive response I want from an attract sequence.

[Estebang]

Still no definitive knowledge as to what hardware this is running on?

[BrightSuzaku]

It took a few more videos to warm me over to this. I can ignore the character design (wut), but, what I'm seeing in terms of gameplay really excites me! Granted, I'm REALLY BAD at dodging, but dodging is what danmaku is all about, and that's what makes me happy.

After all, I seriously shouldn't be relying on bullet-canceling to cheeseball my way through, but I'll admit that I do. Although the brightness of the scheme really does scream "Espgaluda" more than "Dodonpachi", the gameplay itself (as well as the change to hypers) certainly looks more like DDP.

I've always regarded Dodonpachi as being incredibly hardcore (or maybe just hard), so yes, the bullet canceling in DFK did feel really weird. It's good to see it being set straight, in one respect.

I'm on the fence as to whether I like the music or not. I like Manabu Namiki, but there's a hit or miss factor, lately. Also, it would've been nice to hear something different for the soundtrack, since he's kind of... everywhere in Cave's games. I think I'll get back to listening to the DOJ soundtrack, it's gotten stuck in my head again, and needs to be un-stuck.

On another topic:
... A nice attract sequence would be neat. But would that be "attract" in terms of T&A, or would it be things blowing up everywhere? DFK would have combined both beautifully- what, with giant robot chicks destroying buildings and shit everywhere. I dig that.

[Skykid]

- scoring system seems to be relatively simple and accessible/noob-friendly (this being good is debatable, though);

Simple scoring systems is what Cave games have been crying out for imo. They need to flip the balance from walk-in-the-park difficulty and highly convoluted scoring, to simple accessible scoring and white knuckle difficulty.

The recent vid on expert seems to indicate this is the sentiment they've gone for, which makes me super happy.

[moozooh]

Well, for you maybe, but if the system as described by NTSC-J remains in place, that would mean hitting the ceiling as soon as people start ALLing it.

[Gus]

- scoring system seems to be relatively simple and accessible/noob-friendly (this being good is debatable, though);

Simple scoring systems is what Cave games have been crying out for imo. They need to flip the balance from walk-in-the-park difficulty and highly convoluted scoring, to simple accessible scoring and white knuckle difficulty.

The recent vid on expert seems to indicate this is the sentiment they've gone for, which makes me super happy.

Dude just play Futari Ultra. It's basically exactly what you're saying you want. Simple scoring built around big bullet cancels and 2nd loop difficulty.

[third_strike]

Peoples want an hard game:

Ultra Mode
Reco

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## | NAME               |    SCORE           |    STAGE           |    TYPE            
---+--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+--------------------
1  | Ravid              |   *1,551,613,546   |    Stage 5 (Boss)  |    Normal          
2  | MHK                |     *556,082,849   |    Stage 3         |    Normal          
3  | HUU                |      142,974,150   |    Stage 2 (Boss)  |    Normal          
4  | SPZ                |     *123,441,201   |    Stage 2         |    Normal          
5  | jpj                |       49,083,127   |    Stage 2         |    Normal          
6  | antares            |      *37,139,685   |    Stage 2         |    Normal          
7  | moozooh            |      *11,887,954   |    Stage 2         |    Normal   

Ultra Mode
Palm

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## | NAME               |    SCORE           |    STAGE           |    TYPE            
---+--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+--------------------
1  | GUS                |   *3,083,210,176   |    Stage 5 (Boss)  |    Abnormal        
2  | maxmultiplier      |    2,262,723,881   |    Stage 5 (Boss)  |    Abnormal        
3  | CRI                |   *1,249,906,313   |    Stage 5         |    Abnormal        
4  | DKU-KAB            |      100,480,424   |    Stage 3         |    Abnormal        
5  | moozooh            |      *32,917,717   |    Stage 2         |    Abnormal        
6  | jpj                |       23,747,685   |    Stage 2         |    Abnormal 

DFKBL Strong

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                  ---TYPE A/STRONG---
##  Name               Score               Stage      Auto-bomb
WR  しめじ獅子心      -  1,381,831,615,619 - ALL EX2  - OFF

01. Aliquantic      -   *121,053,103,467 - 4 Boss   - OFF
02. gs68            -     *6,147,473,542 - 2 Boss   - OFF
03.

                    ---TYPE B/STRONG---
##  Name               Score               Stage      Auto-bomb
WR  S.S.AKICHAN     -  1,410,385,587,348 - ALL EX2  - OFF

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                    ---TYPE C/STRONG---
##  Name               Score               Stage      Auto-bomb
WR  RIS             -  1,006,761,708,339 - ALL EX?  - OFF

01. Bananamatic     -    131,015,541,068 - 5        - ON
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I understand.

[BrianC]

I noticed the game has a rank counter in the expert video. I wonder if Yagawa is involved.

[Skykid]

Dude just play Futari Ultra. It's basically exactly what you're saying you want. Simple scoring built around big bullet cancels and 2nd loop difficulty.

Nooo. There's hard and then there's retarded. F.Ultra is definitely the latter. I'm talking about a difficulty curve that puts you to work from the beginning and offers you a nice balanced game of progression, much like DOJ if you like.

I'm not after masochistic difficulty, I just just find games that are easy to clear/hard to score to be kinda tedious.

[ebarrett]

I'm talking about a difficulty curve that puts you to work from the beginning and offers you a nice balanced game of progression

Pink Sweets says "hi"

[Icarus]

Pink Sweets ver1.01 says "hi"

Fixed for accuracy.

[mesh control]

hi, i like posting on shmups forum and not playing games.

[Cagar]

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[moozooh]

Again, scoring easily is not a good thing for arcades. And average players there are much better than average players here, so survival is not exactly as much of a problem to them.

[Skykid]

I'm talking about a difficulty curve that puts you to work from the beginning and offers you a nice balanced game of progression

Pink Sweets says "hi"

How does Pink Sweets offer you a "nice balanced game of progression" lol?
It lulls you into a false sense of security before viciously assraping you and donkey punching you right before you die, just so you're in tears while you try to switch off your console.

It's like one of those clowns that chops up little kids when they get close enough for an ice cream.

[ebarrett]

How does Pink Sweets offer you a "nice balanced game of progression" lol?
It lulls you into a false sense of security before viciously assraping you and donkey punching you right before you die, just so you're in tears while you try to switch off your console.

PS' legendary difficulty is 90% myth (the other 10% are snakelasers and SE7).

[Skykid]

How does Pink Sweets offer you a "nice balanced game of progression" lol?
It lulls you into a false sense of security before viciously assraping you and donkey punching you right before you die, just so you're in tears while you try to switch off your console.

PS' legendary difficulty is 90% myth (the other 10% are snakelasers and SE7).

Dunno man, I've seen that game get real nasty. All runs with potential always ended in tantrums when we had it in the arcade.

[mesh control]

seen that game get real nasty.

But have you tried your hand at it?

>.>
Was it Harder mode?