The BIG thread of Shmup grievances.

[moozooh]

<moozooh> funny trivia: in russian, "DTP" is an official abbreviation for a traffic accident
<Erppo> haha
<Jaimers> if he likes shmups but hates their difficulty why doesn't he play novice then
<Spaz> Man
<Spaz> I read the last page of that and ???
<Spaz> Traffic accident sounds about right
<Erppo> He just doesn't like having to put so many coins in his 360

[TheSoundofRed]

Accepting that some of your posts are a bunch of shit...

Calling me a "shit poster" and further refuting anything I say as "shit" says it all.

Just want to point out that MR_Soren used the word "some" and not "all". This implies that a percentage of your posts are potentially shit, not the whole lot.

Anyway...

[Bananamatic]

the soundtrack of this thread

[MR_Soren]

Calling me a "shit poster" and further refuting anything I say as "shit" says it all.

I didn't call you a shit poster, I said some of your posts are shit, and sometimes people have called you on it. I don't think any casual observer could disagree.

BTW, what exactly am I refuting? You haven't said anything substantial in your last 4 posts, and five posts back you did nothing but re-assert your stubbornness.

You refuse everybody's advice, and your responses only touch upon semi-unrelated tangents. What is your goal?

[Gus]

People are still replying seriously to DTP?

[Deca]

Because the gameplay is good. The difficulty (certainly in the Cave games I've experienced) is verging on the ridiculous.

Yeah you should go try some easier stuff like Raizing or Psikyo or Taito

For the record, I like having you around. Your posts always make for a bit of entertaining reading.

[Vamos]

People are still replying seriously to DTP?

I know right its an obvious troll and people here are so fucking STUPID they keep falling into it .

[DrTrouserPlank]

People are still replying seriously to DTP?

I know right its an obvious troll and people here are so fucking STUPID they keep falling into it .

Yes it's an obvious and very expensive troll. Just examine the rationale and the cost incurred to me in order to do that... if I even wanted to which I can see no point or benefit in btw.

BRB going to buy a couple of new Mercedes so I can troll an owners forum.....

[BPzeBanshee]

My only greivance at this moment is that for some reason I'm #1 on XOP Black Ultra Special's online leaderboard (at least when I checked Christmas Day, would like be proved wrong) and it's because no one else is playing this game seriously at all rather than me actually being any good. The furthest I've gotten is Stage 2's midboss.

Just got to stage 2 boss with over 30M. I can't say that I like this version too much though.

It does seem a bit bullshit doesn't it? Or is it something else you don't like about it?

I for one like how it's straightforward - I'm not left feeling lost as to what mode could be considered the 'experts' one to pick or what mode is just right for me. Just dodge the bullets and use the bombs to YO DAWG up some points.

[DrTrouserPlank]

Because the gameplay is good. The difficulty (certainly in the Cave games I've experienced) is verging on the ridiculous.

Yeah you should go try some easier stuff like Raizing or Psikyo or Taito

For the record, I like having you around. Your posts always make for a bit of entertaining reading.

I'm sure you're not the only one. There seem to be a lot of people repressing their feelings about me around here.

"OMG I hate you TrouserPlank"
"DTP is just a troll"

etc etc. That is all front. Secretly they really like me... I can tell

Getting back to DFK black label. I tried it using power and it's not as bad as I had experienced with strong. But it was still very hard, or at the very least as hard as 1.5. It's hard to make the comparison because of 1.5's autobomb. I was still out of stock on level 2 however. Ketsui is easier... definitely.

[Drachenherz]

Because the gameplay is good. The difficulty (certainly in the Cave games I've experienced) is verging on the ridiculous.

Yeah you should go try some easier stuff like Raizing or Psikyo or Taito

For the record, I like having you around. Your posts always make for a bit of entertaining reading.

I'm sure you're not the only one. There seem to be a lot of people repressing their feelings about me around here.

"OMG I hate you TrousePlank"
"DTP is just a troll"

etc etc. That is all front. Secretly they really like me... I can tell

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[DrTrouserPlank]

It certainly is hip to be square.

[RNGmaster]

You are wasting your money on these games. You buy them, get frustrated, and don't listen to our offers of assistance. People have gone out of the way to show you that, for example, Larsa isn't impossible and every single attack has a method. And yet you still roll out the same arguments dozens of times after they've been disproven.

[DrTrouserPlank]

You are wasting your money on these games. You buy them, get frustrated, and don't listen to our offers of assistance. People have gone out of the way to show you that, for example, Larsa isn't impossible and every single attack has a method. And yet you still roll out the same arguments dozens of times after they've been disproven.

I actually do appreciate people's advice as hard as that may be for you to imagine, and on the contrary I don't believe Larsa or any of these games are impossible. I have covered this before. My usage of the word "impossible" is very loose and somewhat removed from it's true meaning. What I do believe is that certain parts of certain games are very hard to consistently clear. Indeed you could spend a lifetime learning every intricacy of the patterns and still only clear it in the minority of attempts. Is that OK?... for me it's not. Things should be able to be mastered to the point of almost inevitability.

[Erppo]

I actually do appreciate people's advice as hard as that may be for you to imagine...

You really don't realize why that is? It's because you seem to completely ignore all that advice and return again with the same issues after a while.

In fact you do that later in that very same post. People have told that the games are indeed consistently clearable and you either ignore this all completely or outright claim they are lying. And you still don't think that counts as trolling?

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[DrTrouserPlank]

I actually do appreciate people's advice as hard as that may be for you to imagine...

You really don't realize why that is? It's because you seem to completely ignore all that advice and return again with the same issues after a while.

In fact you do that later in that very same post. People have told that the games are indeed consistently clearable and you either ignore this all completely or outright claim they are lying. And you still don't think that counts as trolling?

People tell me a lot of things but that doesn't mean I accept them as fact without questioning them. Are you saying I should accept everything that everyone on this forum tells me as the truth and not give it a second thought?

Following on from that, I don't ignore people's advice, but a lot of the "advice" I have been given is along the lines of "lern2play" and "OMG you are such a troll" after I have failed to make progress at the (apparently) acceptable rate. Some people have been helpful. They are generally the people who haven't been abusive.

[TheSoundofRed]

Things should be able to be mastered to the point of almost inevitability.

Wait... what???

[moozooh]

DTP, how about you record some gameplay videos where you, say, fight Larsa in the practice mode of 1.5 Original?

[Erppo]

Are you saying I should accept everything that everyone on this forum tells me as the truth and not give it a second thought?

Not necessarily but you should accept that people generally dislike it when you imply that they are lying, despite some even taking the trouble to provide some evidence for their claims. You should also accept that making generalizations of ALL players based on nothing but your own experiences is somewhat dumb.

[DrTrouserPlank]

DTP, how about you record some gameplay videos where you, say, fight Larsa in the practice mode of 1.5 Original?

I'd quite like to if it would silence the people who seem intent on bad-mouthing me non-stop, but alas I don't have recording equipment. You're more than welcome to add me as AgentKillmore on Xbox and check out my replays on score attack for the various games that I've got.

Are you saying I should accept everything that everyone on this forum tells me as the truth and not give it a second thought?

Not necessarily but you should accept that people generally dislike it when you imply that they are lying, despite some even taking the trouble to provide some evidence for their claims. You should also accept that making generalizations of ALL players based on nothing but your own experiences is somewhat dumb.

I have never said or implied that people are lying. I said that people who are somewhat skilled in a field tend to overestimate their ability/rate of success statistically.

Maybe the majority of the people who post on this forum don't find these games as difficult as me, but this is surely a place to express views about them, and that cannot be completely confined to those who find them trivial from the offset with the exclusion of anyone who dares to question or debate how difficult they actually are?

[moozooh]

alas I don't have recording equipment

Step 1: get a digital photo camera. Everybody has one nowadays. Borrow one if you're the weird one guy who doesn't. iPhone 4/4S or a comparable smartphone will suffice, too.
Step 2: mount it on a tripod, or at least something that will make it stand perfectly still, in front of the display.
Step 3: record, copy to your computer, rotate in VirtualDub if needed, and upload to YouTube.
Results will be like these: with tripod, without tripod. Not very good, but still watchable, and in 30 fps.

You're more than welcome to add me as AgentKillmore on Xbox and check out my replays on score attack for the various games that I've got.

I haven't checked yet, but I'm sure most of these games don't offer you to upload a replay unless you're high up on the board.

[DrTrouserPlank]

alas I don't have recording equipment

Step 1: get a digital photo camera. Everybody has one nowadays. Borrow one if you're the weird one guy who doesn't. iPhone 4/4S or a comparable smartphone will suffice, too.
Step 2: mount it on a tripod, or at least something that will make it stand perfectly still, in front of the display.
Step 3: record, copy to your computer, rotate in VirtualDub if needed, and upload to YouTube.
Results will be like these: with tripod, without tripod. Not very good, but still watchable, and in 30 fps.

Thanks but I'm certainly not going to be buying recording equipment for the sake of the people on this board; those who generally insult and ridicule whatever I say. Maybe I'm living in some sort of sub-dimension (of course I am, I'm playing shmups in 2011) but I don't have a camcorder, or at the moment a phone capable of recording video.

You're more than welcome to add me as AgentKillmore on Xbox and check out my replays on score attack for the various games that I've got.

I haven't checked yet, but I'm sure most of these games don't offer you to upload a replay unless you're high up on the board.[/quote]

OK, that's a fair point. I think my DDP 1.5 replay is available.... other than that.. you're right.

[TheSoundofRed]

Thanks but I'm certainly not going to be buying recording equipment for the sake of the people on this board; those who generally insult and ridicule whatever I say. Maybe I'm living in some sort of sub-dimension (of course I am, I'm playing shmups in 2011) but I don't have a camcorder, or at the moment a phone capable of recording video.

NTSC-J Xbox 360 = $250-$300 not including shipping. Imported STGs = $60-$80 apiece not including shipping. And you want me to believe you do not have a phone capable of recording video?

Even the fliphone I rented while in Japan recorded video in HD. Get with it man.

[Erppo]

I have never said or implied that people are lying. I said that people who are somewhat skilled in a field tend to overestimate their ability/rate of success statistically.

In other words, you don't imply people are lying but you imply they aren't speaking the truth.

Also while there are certainly better players here, I'm sure there are loads of players worse than you here too. You are able to get to the last stage in 1.5 Original and that already tells you have learned something. From the impression I've gotten I'd say you might actually be in the better half of players here already. Most of the worse players just don't make that big of a number about it and go blaming the games for their own lack of experience.

[moozooh]

Thanks but I'm certainly not going to be buying recording equipment for the sake of the people on this board; those who generally insult and ridicule whatever I say.

Uhh, you don't have a photo camera? Really? Why don't you get one anyway? Here, 73$ and you have 720p video capabilities as a free bonus.

Or, as I said, borrow it.

It's rather perplexing to have you address one part of the argument that suits you and completely ignore the other, which is often the alternative of some sorts.

[ebarrett]

MY GOOOOOOOOOOD JUST LET THIS THREAD DIE

[Gus]

It's rather perplexing to have you address one part of the argument that suits you and completely ignore the other, which is often the alternative of some sorts.

No, that's just usual DTP.

[NTSC-J]

When I first saw the troll in question, I was confused. This confusion quickly turned to anger.

But at this point, all I feel is awe.

Its like watching a true virtuoso at the height of his powers, the way he deftly maneuvers past helpful advice and focuses on the barbs to make it seem like he is the one being trolled (if only he could dodge bullet patterns this well!). Look at the way he picks his shots, not spamming too many threads, but coming in and out with a good day or two of trolling before he`s gone again. And he does it all without so much as a mention by the impotent mods of this forum.

Look at his first post, from nearly three years ago:

Hi guys. I've just started playing the DC version of this again, and I'm finding it a lot harder than I remember it being.

Does anyone know a site that has gameplay movies of trigger heart, or a walkthru of some kind so I can see what I'm doing wrong? There used to be a site I used but I don't have the bookmark any more. I'd persevere but I think I'm trying to weave through an impossible barrage of shots where I didn't used to.

Already whining, already throwing around the impossibru`s. Here we see a novice troll showing just a glimmer of the talent that is to come.

Here`s to another three years of crabbing and sucking!

[blackoak]

But at this point, all I feel is awe.

Hear, hear!