Anyone else feeling the Daifukkatsu meh?

[Zaarock]

it's just that the progress stops at the point at which the difficulty become ridiculous.

Are you still trying to argue that high difficulty makes a game become chaotic? As in you can't actually play the game anymore, it becomes random? I'm pretty sure you could argue against that just from the game mechanics of most shmups; almost nothing is random, and the perceived difficulty/impossibility is subjective, yours is just a single view on those things.

[Gus]

DTP=Joke account

[NTSC-J]

For his sake, I sure hope he's joking around. If he isn't, I feel bad for ragging on him. I've got a couple of cousins who are mentally retarded and while they're very sweet, life is tough for them.

One question I think I've asked DTP before that he never answers: if these games are so hard to beat, how do you explain how so many members on this forum are able to beat them?

[moozooh]

You probably don't practice correctly. Have you learned the stage layout? Do you know what positions to move in to kill certain waves of enemies quicker? Have you found the optimal ways to dodge boss patterns? Have you considered planning out a bomb route to preempt the hardest parts of the stages? It's things like that you need to do while practicing separate stages/bosses.

[BIL]

"Grinding" LMAO. If practicing this kind of game feels like "grinding" to you chances are you're just bashing your face into a wall, not intelligently figuring out ways to overcome it.

It's hardly a "bullet hell" problem either. People bitch to me all the time about Metal Black being "brutal," "hell," etc etc. THINK BEFORE YOU SHOOT.

edit: oh, tldr: what moozooh said.

[DrTrouserPlank]

Jesus you dont get it do you , even after acquiring a perfect practice method it still takes alot of time and work to get better . Prometheus has covered everything you need to know about practice methods in his downloadable guide , have you read it ?

Yes, and I feel that someone summarised the contents of the guide very well in another thread.

1. Find the best replay you can and copy it.
2. Only play on MAME and make every key on your keyboard a save-state.

[O. Van Bruce]

Jesus you dont get it do you , even after acquiring a perfect practice method it still takes alot of time and work to get better . Prometheus has covered everything you need to know about practice methods in his downloadable guide , have you read it ?

Yes, and I feel that someone summarised the contents of the guide very well in another thread.

1. Find the best replay you can and copy it.
2. Only play on MAME and make every key on your keyboard a save-state.

It's a perfectly valid way of practicing but if that sounds wrong to you, you can practice and get the safest way to get the 1cc for your self... there were people who did it first before anyone...

BTW: I'm more of the second choice, find my own path on the swarm of bullets...

[moozooh]

It should be noted that most enemies telegraph their appearance with shadows, ground rumble, or some other shit like that, before they start shooting; this gives enough time to move below and kill them before they flood the screen. Spending most of the time in the upper part of the screen, or at least near the middle height, is in fact much safer than always being at the bottom.

[spl]

I'm feeling the Daifukkatsu meh just by sheer frustration of not being able to obtain this game.

[Eaglet]

What seems to be DTP's primary problem isn't merely his restrictive and flaccid attitude, but the fact that he seems unable to understand how human beings solve problems.

Here's a step by step plan for ya:
1. Encounter problem.
2. Observe: What is the problem? (Dying by bullet) Why? (Unexpected angle/general lack of attention)
3. Do i have the proper tools/skills to solve this problem? (Can i find my way through the maze? Are my reaction times up to par?)
4. If you have all the pieces; Put everything together. If you have all the tools/skills everything should be as simple as "execute". If not; Practice. A lot.


If you don't get it after this; you're either a troll or retarded. Sorry.

[Sapz]

DrTrouserPlank:

One question I think I've asked DTP before that he never answers: if these games are so hard to beat, how do you explain how so many members on this forum are able to beat them?

I'm pretty curious about this too.

[Bananamatic]

This is what dying at the last second sounds like. :3

and this perfectly sums up DTP and this forum's reaction

[DrTrouserPlank]

For his sake, I sure hope he's joking around. If he isn't, I feel bad for ragging on him. I've got a couple of cousins who are mentally retarded and while they're very sweet, life is tough for them.

One question I think I've asked DTP before that he never answers: if these games are so hard to beat, how do you explain how so many members on this forum are able to beat them?

I'll try my best to answer your question baring in mind the level of mental retardation that I suffer from. I may become distracted whilst typing this response by a butterfly at my window that I feel compelled to chase, or accidentally start choking on my keyboard having mistaken it for a provincial platter of Charcuterie as has happened on more than one occasion. If my response is abruptly ended it is likely to be for one of these reasons, unless of course as happened twice yesterday I forget to breathe and pass out.

I'm not too sure about your assertion that "so many members" have managed to clear these games. Talking about games in general is a little unspecific but let's ignore that for now. I suspect that "some" members have managed to clear ''some'' of these games. I suspect that "some" of these members have cleared the game once and have never managed it since.

A straw poll of people in any thread is not a very accurate way of gauging peoples' success rate, as it is often the case that those who shout the loudest are the ones who are heard and the voices of those who haven't cleared them are a lot less prominent.

[Drachenherz]

No, THIS sums up perfectly this forums reaction.

[Bananamatic]

No, THIS sums up perfectly this forums reaction.

If you replace the leopard with Touhou 14, yes

[NTSC-J]

I'm not too sure about your assertion that "so many members" have managed to clear these games. Talking about games in general is a little unspecific but let's ignore that for now. I suspect that "some" members have managed to clear ''some'' of these games. I suspect that "some" of these members have cleared the game once and have never managed it since.

You still haven't really answered my question.

Let's get specific and talk about the game, game mode, and ship type that you played the most, Mushi Futari Original with Reco. Go look at the hi-score thread at this forum: maxed out with 20 different players all getting ALL's, most of them with lives remaining. A couple no-misses even.

How did they do it?

[moozooh]

I wanted to type up another serious response to DTP's latest post, but felt the meh and succumbed to it.

[Drachenherz]

I wanted to type up another serious response to DTP's latest post, but felt the meh and succumbed to it.

You should create a "Anyone else feeling the DrTrouserPlank meh?"-Topic...

[DrTrouserPlank]

I'm not too sure about your assertion that "so many members" have managed to clear these games. Talking about games in general is a little unspecific but let's ignore that for now. I suspect that "some" members have managed to clear ''some'' of these games. I suspect that "some" of these members have cleared the game once and have never managed it since.

You still haven't really answered my question.

Let's get specific and talk about the game, game mode, and ship type that you played the most, Mushi Futari Original with Reco. Go look at the hi-score thread at this forum: maxed out with 20 different players all getting ALL's, most of them with lives remaining. A couple no-misses even.

How did they do it?

Well whilst that proves that 20 people (at least) have cleared the game it still tells you very little about the proportion of people who are clearing the game, and seeing as there are surely a great deal more members on this forum than 20, I don't see this as justification for saying that "so many" people have cleared it. Taking into account either the number of people who will have attempted to beat this game (which is a comparatively large number) or even the number of people on this forum, a number in the region of twenty is very few clears and in both absolute terms or even as a proportion of members, doesn't represent "so many".

I'm not claiming that Futari cannot be cleared, but I see it more as a low-probability rather than something which an be achieved with any consistency. Once you are in a position to possibly be able to clear the game, and are willing to run the game thousands of times in order to get the iteration that leaves you on the last boss/stage without having lost loads of lives, then you will possibly get the clear.

[Drachenherz]

Once you are in a position to possibly be able to clear the game, and are willing to run the game thousands of times in order to get the iteration that leaves you on the last boss/stage without having lost loads of lives, then you will possibly get the clear.

Which is why practice makes perfect and exactly why a 1cc in a shmup really is an achievement that cannot be reached easily.

If you don't want to invest the time (and nerves) it takes to get the 1cc, then I guess you're playing the wrong games -or modes. As I mentioned: Have you cleared the novice-modes of mushifutari and/or DDP?

[Bananamatic]

Ketsui has 38 clears - by that logic it should be easier so get to work!

[DrTrouserPlank]

Ketsui has 38 clears - by that logic it should be easier so get to work!

I'm getting it for Christmas so I expect I will breeze through it in a matter of days and be top of the leaderboards in no time.

[Drachenherz]

Ketsui has 38 clears - by that logic it should be easier so get to work!

I'm getting it for Christmas so I expect I will breeze through it in a matter of days and be top of the leaderboards in no time.

I foresee a reaction...

[Erppo]

I'm not claiming that Futari cannot be cleared, but I see it more as a low-probability rather than something which an be achieved with any consistency. Once you are in a position to possibly be able to clear the game, and are willing to run the game thousands of times in order to get the iteration that leaves you on the last boss/stage without having lost loads of lives, then you will possibly get the clear.

I have surely played Original less than one hundred times. I have also cleared it over 10 times. I also cleared it in the week I first got the game. Explain.

[Drachenherz]

I'm not claiming that Futari cannot be cleared, but I see it more as a low-probability rather than something which an be achieved with any consistency. Once you are in a position to possibly be able to clear the game, and are willing to run the game thousands of times in order to get the iteration that leaves you on the last boss/stage without having lost loads of lives, then you will possibly get the clear.

I have surely played Original less than one hundred times. I have also cleared it over 10 times. I also cleared it in the week I first got the game. Explain.

Well, in this case, it's not difficult to explain. You are from Finnland. Finnland is the land of the brave, the insane and of a Presidente who looks like Conan O'brien, so clearing shmups is in their genes.

Or something like that.

Edit: Oh, and I forgot, Finns kill those who call them Fins...

[O. Van Bruce]

Ketsui has 38 clears - by that logic it should be easier so get to work!

I'm getting it for Christmas so I expect I will breeze through it in a matter of days and be top of the leaderboards in no time.

Call Kyubeei... and don't forget to ask him for this...



Just in case...

[third_strike]

Seriously guys, you are fucking one of my preferred topics.
Please mods lock this!

[RNGmaster]

I think you guys are being too harsh on DrTrouserPlank. At least he doesn't toss around the term 'memorizer' like a total tool.

I didn't know that calling Satazius and R-type memorizers was me being a tool. I'll try to stop stating the obvious from now on if that bothers you so much.

[Skykid]

I'm not too sure about your assertion that "so many members" have managed to clear these games. Talking about games in general is a little unspecific but let's ignore that for now. I suspect that "some" members have managed to clear ''some'' of these games. I suspect that "some" of these members have cleared the game once and have never managed it since.

A straw poll of people in any thread is not a very accurate way of gauging peoples' success rate, as it is often the case that those who shout the loudest are the ones who are heard and the voices of those who haven't cleared them are a lot less prominent.

You don't need to judge the ease of a clear by the number of folk who have cleared it on this forum. If your Xbox is online, why not bring up the high score table for Daifukkatsu and take a look there. Hell, you can even watch the replays if you want to see how it's done.

Shmups.org is only a small facet of a much broader global fanbase.

Also, do me a favour soon as you get the chance:

1: Fire up DFK
2: Choose strong type
3: Ignore chaining/scoring (I don't think you bother with this anyway) and play purely for survival
4: Avoid the bullets, and increase your chances of survival by using all your hypers like bombs and don't waste any (they come around regularly). Use the hyper in shot, rather than laser for guaranteed bullet protection.

Let me know if you clear it.

[O. Van Bruce]

You don't need to judge the ease of a clear by the number of folk who have cleared it on this forum. If your Xbox is online, why not bring up the high score table for Daifukkatsu and take a look there. Hell, you can even watch the replays if you want to see how it's done.

Shmups.org is only a small facet of a much broader global fanbase.

Also, do me a favour soon as you get the chance:

1: Fire up DFK
2: Choose strong type
3: Ignore chaining/scoring (I don't think you bother with this anyway) and play purely for survival
4: Avoid the bullets, and increase your chances of survival by using all your hypers like bombs and don't waste any (they come around regularly). Use the hyper in shot, rather than laser for guaranteed bullet protection.

Let me know if you clear it.

I don't think the scoreboards are a good option... most of the high scores aren't complete...

about the other part... well... it sums up how to make an 1cc on DFK... just one more thing, recomend him to choose the 3rd plane....