Hello TATE

gs68 · Post by **gs68** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:36 am

I never TATE my TV, at the risk of injuring myself and breax0ring the TV.

I do have a portable TV which I could TATE but it's only about 11" which negates the positives of TATE.

al138 · Post by **al138** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:39 am

I wonder: Would my Samsung 30" widescreen HDTV do well in TATE? I have a feeling that Ikaruga would rock...

howmuchkeefe · Post by **howmuchkeefe** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:34 am

I have an old 27" Magnavox. It works well but was made in the early-mid 90s, so I don't trust it not to catch fire if I rotate it. I play games in fullscreen mode when I can, but the TV stays in a horizontal position... which means that I play Ikaruga and Shikigami II as if they were horizontal shooters (I have to rotate the control pad to play Shiki II; I got used to it pretty fast).

I desperately wish I could do the same thing with Perfect Cherry Blossom and Imperishable Night.

Skyline · Post by **Skyline** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:18 am

Aside from the fact that the picture has to be routed through a RF-modulator, I have no complaints about my TATE TV. Bought a 27" RCA set before I moved, now the 25" White Westinghouse piece-o-crap set is dedicated TATE It makes a WORLD of difference...just out of laziness I fired up Espgaluda on the YOKO setup and got fucking CREAMED. This probably wouldn't have happened if I had never tried flipping TVs in the first place, but meh. :/

I will say this though, being able to transition between monitors on the fly is badass enough..being able to shmup on the DC while someone else is using the PS2 in the same room is even better. While my roomate is playing IIDX I can be like "TRIZEAL, BITCHES!! ^________^"

I also tried setting my PC's video card to secondary monitors, so I could use the TATE monitor for MAME. That didn't turn out so hot...the RCA TV works fine by using the S-Video output, but when it's routed through the RF to the TATE monitor, it's a bit too blurry. :/

brand1bil · Post by **brand1bil** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:59 pm

One thing many people seems to think is that the larger monitor you decide to Tate - the better. This is, according to my experiences, not always true.

I have tated sizes 14", 17", 21" and 28" and out of these 14 and 17 is the best I think - 28 was just waaay to big, remember I played Ikaruga on it and my ship was like the size of my closed fist, too big! 21" is okey - it's the around the size of a normal Egret3-cab so If you're used to that I guess it's okey...

If Tate-ing a 14" you get around the same size of picture (I know it's not completly comparable or true) of a yoko-28" - so a tated 28" would end up beeing a 52" yoko or something, and that's big!

I'd say a tated 17-21" monitor is the best option, VGA or RGB is only a matter of wich console you're playing...

Valgar · Post by **Valgar** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:05 pm

The Ikaruga was the size of your fist? Something is wrong there. The Egret 3 and most candy cabs are 29". The screen is perfect really, the bullets are big and easy to see.

brand1bil · Post by **brand1bil** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:09 pm

Well, I guess I have small fists...

no but really - I think the tated 28" is just way to big and my fault on the egret - they felt very big when I played on them so tate'ed 29" is probably the reason it felt weird...

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:53 pm

Nate wrote:TWITCH:
No no no...thats not the right way to do it.
TATE the TV, then wait. If the TV doesn't automatically deguase itself, then forget about it.
Some TV's just don't like sitting vertical no matter what. As long as you use a newer TV you shouln't have any problems.
My 27" JVC works fine, and it was purchased in the late 90's.
Not to be a weasel, bro. But, you make TATE sound risky.

well, not to be a weasel, bro, but it can be. i tate my tv all the time (and don't platy verts without it, generally).

see here: link

note: the problem mentioned in the thread above has gotten worse. it seems to only appear when my tv is set to default. tate is much less noticable, but i still get ghosting at the problem area.

and here: link

tate is great, and improves the experience on a lot of games, but no one should pretend there isn't some amount of risk involved.

on that note however, i will not stop rotating my tv, as i can't imagine relying on yoko for verts. **leaves a bad taste in my mouth thinking about it**

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 9:42 am

TATE'ing has helped me IMMENSELY on:
CAVE in general
Trizeal (the scoring items don't look like bullets in their early forms now! yay!)
Psyvariar 1 & 2 (especially with hit areas turned on, in Psyvariar 1... hard to tell what the fuck is going on when every hit box on the screen is squished :/ )
Shiki 2 (so many goddamned bullets...)

depends on the game, if you ask me. i have no trouble in games like Ikaruga or Shienryu when playing on Yoko, but when it comes to insane ammounts of bullet-hell... thank god for TATE.

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 10:26 am

captain ahar wrote:
Nate wrote:TWITCH:
No no no...thats not the right way to do it.
TATE the TV, then wait. If the TV doesn't automatically deguase itself, then forget about it.
Some TV's just don't like sitting vertical no matter what. As long as you use a newer TV you shouln't have any problems.
My 27" JVC works fine, and it was purchased in the late 90's.
Not to be a weasel, bro. But, you make TATE sound risky.
well, not to be a weasel, bro, but it can be. i tate my tv all the time (and don't platy verts without it, generally).

see here: link

note: the problem mentioned in the thread above has gotten worse. it seems to only appear when my tv is set to default. tate is much less noticable, but i still get ghosting at the problem area.

and here: link

tate is great, and improves the experience on a lot of games, but no one should pretend there isn't some amount of risk involved.

on that note however, i will not stop rotating my tv, as i can't imagine relying on yoko for verts. **leaves a bad taste in my mouth thinking about it**

Some TV's there "could" be a risk...that is if they totally suck as TV's go.
Most newer TV's can handle Tate though.

Think of it this way...
You drive your car every day. You use your brakes and tires more than anything. These need to be replaced from time to time, you're not going to stop driving your car are you?

Of all the people who TATE and have no problems whatsoever, it sure outweighs the people who do! Think about that for a moment!!

"Tate is still safer then "safe sex".

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:07 pm

The Commodore 1071 which I'm borrowing (no RGB - only composite & S-video) is sweet! Everyone who sees it is surprised at how crisp the picture is for such an old TV.

I'd be playing shooters in tate on it, then some coworkers come along itching for some 3rd Strike, and I just turn it off, rub my hand on it to get rid of some of the static, flip it back over, and away we go! No distortion or colour problems at all!

I swear I will buy one for myself one of these days!

LoneSage · Post by **LoneSage** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:05 am

I'm kinda content with just lying on my side to play TATE, what sucks about that however is I'm only hearing the game out of 1.5 ears

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:29 am

Rob will hate me for this, but RGB is worth all the expense and hassle. You see a lot more details you never could before.

If you think it's impressive...wait to try it in RGB

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:16 am

Welcome aboard the TATE express, jp.

I'll never forget when I TATE'ed the first time way back in October 2001. I gave Battle Garegga and Strikers 2 a spin in TATE and I had pretty much the same overall reaction as you. Not only did it look much nicer, but the increased view on the screen and overall enjoyment helped my scores improve too.

chempop · Post by **chempop** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:02 am

Anyone have experience or even heard if Sony Wega TVs are safe to Tate? I have tried mine which seemed okay, but I got paranoid and flipped it back to regular. I have heard that even if it seems safe, you may be causing harm internally. Well, I guess life is full of risks, there is only one sure way to find out.

I'm becoming more and more interested in the LCD displays that Dell has, the Dell Ultrasharp 2005FPW 20". Maybe you guys are aware, but this model rotates right on the stand and has many options for inputs. Goes for around $500 if you were wondering.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:28 pm

^ i have a 20" trinitron tv and tated it for almost two years with no problems. now however i get a little band of "ghosting" on the left side. doesn't interfere with gameplay, but its irritating as hell during a movie.

Hardware post here

PFG 9000 · Post by **PFG 9000** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:56 pm

I have a 17" Philips Magnavox CRT TV that's about five years old, and I've tried TATEing it twice now for SnS2. Both times the colors have gotten distorted and I got too scared to play further after about ten minutes. Both times I TATEd it exactly according to those instructions at the Turn To Vertical site. My TV is fairly new, and P.M. is a very decent brand. I guess I'm out of luck until I get my new TV.

FRO · Post by **FRO** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:01 pm

jp wrote:Today was my first experience with TATE. Though definitely not my last.

I had my first TATE experience this last week (using a Dell projector, no less!), and I can't believe how much of a difference it makes. I played DonPachi and Galactick Attack on my Saturn and was blown away by how much cleaner the graphics were (much easier to see everything), not to mention the size of everything (though that had more to do w/ the projector).

Klatrymadon · Post by **Klatrymadon** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:15 pm

Rob will hate me for this, but RGB is worth all the expense and hassle. You see a lot more details you never could before.

If you think it's impressive...wait to try it in RGB

Are there any cheap old monitors you can buy that support RGB?

I'm fine using my newish 14" portable for now, but it'd be nice to have a cheap ol' monitor to use instead.

Pedro Lambrini · Post by **Pedro Lambrini** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:05 pm

Bal-Sagoth wrote: Are there any cheap old monitors you can buy that support RGB?

I'm fine using my newish 14" portable for now, but it'd be nice to have a cheap ol' monitor to use instead.

If your portable telly is fairly new there's a pretty good chance that it is already RGB capable. Most Tellys made in the past 5 or so years are capable of RGB. Hopefully all you need is a RGB cable.

I've been using a cheap brand (Schneider) 14" portable with my DC recently and even that has an RGB SCART socket on it!

freddiebamboo · Post by **freddiebamboo** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:58 am

Pedro Lambrini wrote:
Bal-Sagoth wrote: Are there any cheap old monitors you can buy that support RGB?

I'm fine using my newish 14" portable for now, but it'd be nice to have a cheap ol' monitor to use instead.
If your portable telly is fairly new there's a pretty good chance that it is already RGB capable. Most Tellys made in the past 5 or so years are capable of RGB. Hopefully all you need is a RGB cable. I've been using a cheap brand (Schneider) 14" portable with my DC recently and even that has an RGB SCART socket on it!

It's a hardware thread right now, but I just bought a perma tate to avoid the hassle/catastrophe that is flipping TV's constantly - which happens regularly when you share a TV with 2 people that don't like shooters

Anyway, here's the link;

http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/html/cache/167_239194.html

It's held up so far and I can't complain about the sound + picture quality, and very reasonable at the price.

Not had it long term though, so don't blame me it it goes tits up after a month