Dude beats his daughter with a belt...

[antron]

Getting belted was considered normal when/where I grew up. Corporal punishment at school was also part of the norm.

it very much is the norm in the backwards ass country known as the USofA. but it seems it wont be for much longer unless you search the room for a webcam first. he would have been charged if she had released it long ago:

"We believe that there was a criminal offense involved and that there was substantial evidence to indicate that and under normal circumstances ... a charge could have been made," Jayroe said. He said the district attorney determined he couldn't bring charges, and that police would discuss the case with federal prosecutors even though he doesn't believe federal charges would apply.

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/P ... z1ckUcN6B5

this goes for the cops too (in public):
http://www.universalhub.com/2011/court- ... olice-offi

[StarCreator]

I'm guessing alcohol? She might as well say it, since she said that much already.

Let me get this straight though. I'm not trying to state the dad is completely in the right on this. I highly doubt a man who got divorced and have his own daughter black mailing him, was a very good father. It's just I believed that video was not as bad as it looked and that there was a whole back story to it.

Why? Well I was belted worse than that, and I can tell you her cries sound painfully exaggerated. Getting hit in the legs with pants on, is not something that painful. Posting a video after 7 years is awfully suspicious as well.

Shes definitely no angel as people seem to make her out. Even if he was a shit father, he still paid to raise her, paid for her college, paid for her car... If he was that terrible, she would of told someone earlier and got the hell out of there.

Blackmailing is never right in any manner also.

Considering her age at the time, I doubt she would have had it together enough to just leave her family even if she were subject to repeated beatings.

My two cents - it's fine to doubt the reasons behind this video surfacing now, but that's completely irrelevant to the fact that a crime was committed by her father. I'm not about to advocate an Internet-led manhunt for him, but it's very reasonable for this incident to cast doubt on his ability to function as a fair judge under any court of law, as well as his right to be caretaker of his children, based solely on the actions he is seen to take in the video.

[Skykid]

I just know that if my kiddo ever pulls shit like illegally download copyrighted material, I will hastily sit her down and discuss the situation sanely and intelligently.

I'll tell them to put something in the queue for me.

[Moniker]

I just know that if my kiddo ever pulls shit like illegally download copyrighted material, I will hastily sit her down and discuss the situation sanely and intelligently.

If my kid ever pulls shit like buying a dvd, I will hastily sit him/her down and instruct him/her in the use of bittorrent to get it for free.

[Skykid]

I just know that if my kiddo ever pulls shit like illegally download copyrighted material, I will hastily sit her down and discuss the situation sanely and intelligently.

If my kid ever pulls shit like buying a dvd, I will hastily sit him/her down and instruct him/her in the use of bittorrent to get it for free.

Hahahaha

[antron]

I just know that if my kiddo ever pulls shit like illegally download copyrighted material, I will hastily sit her down and discuss the situation sanely and intelligently.

If my kid ever pulls shit like buying a dvd, I will hastily sit him/her down and instruct him/her in the use of bittorrent to get it for free.

I remember my father buying us a dual tape deck so we could copy each other's (and friend's) cassettes. he said he was sick of paying so much for music.

but that was ok because it was analog!? DMCA bite my ass.

[jonny5]

I just know that if my kiddo ever pulls shit like illegally download copyrighted material, I will hastily sit her down and discuss the situation sanely and intelligently.

I'll tell them to put something in the queue for me.

So you are against pirating games, but pirating music is OK with you?

[Nate]

antron:

I remember my father buying us a dual tape deck so we could copy each other's (and friend's) cassettes. he said he was sick of paying so much for music.

but that was ok because it was analog!? DMCA bite my ass.

Really? Did your father make hundreds or thousands of cassettes for you and friends? Cause, that in itself would have been expensive! MP3's? No problem, happens every day! Don't get me wrong, I used to do the same thing; if I wanted to make a "mix-tape" for (2 or 3) friends that happened to be into the same stuff; usually from tapes that I hunted-down and purchased "retail" price or mail-ordered. I remember going on a campaign to find every single cassette Black Flag ever made back in '86...in Houston, TX no less! Good times!

It just occurred to me that today's "piracy" of music/art/games is akin to *old* piracy of gold, jewels and currency because all those things are "forged" or "created" by actual human toil and design. What a breakthrough!

By the way, how much would you take for that dual-casette recorder (if you still have it).

[antron]

antron:

I remember my father buying us a dual tape deck so we could copy each other's (and friend's) cassettes. he said he was sick of paying so much for music.

but that was ok because it was analog!? DMCA bite my ass.

Really? Did your father make hundreds or thousands of cassettes for you and friends? Cause, that in itself would have been expensive!
By the way, how much would you take for that dual-casette recorder (if you still have it).

no, but hundreds of thousands of us were simultaneously doing this around the country. and the industry hated it then too, just as much. they wanted them banned or levied, along with VCRs. But over the VCR issue Mr Rodgers beat their ass in front of congress with his slippers and that was that.

sorry, recorder's gone.

[xbl0x180]

I'm too OCD to deal with dupes. I need to have the case, the cover, the manual/liner notes, and such. I was bummed when producing LPs wasn't a priority anymore. I'd buy more music if they bothered putting things together well the way they were done back then. CDs are still okay, mainly because they're easier to store than LPs and I can play them in the car

[Moniker]

I just know that if my kiddo ever pulls shit like illegally download copyrighted material, I will hastily sit her down and discuss the situation sanely and intelligently.

If my kid ever pulls shit like buying a dvd, I will hastily sit him/her down and instruct him/her in the use of bittorrent to get it for free.

I remember my father buying us a dual tape deck so we could copy each other's (and friend's) cassettes.

Now that you mention it, my dad did that too. Forgot all about it. We'd copy any movie we rented from blockbuster that we happened to like. When dvds first started up, I'm pretty sure we had a VHS/DVD deck that we used. Wonder where all those tapes went...

[Skykid]

I just know that if my kiddo ever pulls shit like illegally download copyrighted material, I will hastily sit her down and discuss the situation sanely and intelligently.

I'll tell them to put something in the queue for me.

So you are against pirating games, but pirating music is OK with you?

Am I? Sure you're not confusing me with someone else?

Didn't know I'd ever put myself in that camp tbh. Personally I don't pirate games because I'm a collector and I have a fussy thing about buying something I want to play, but I don't really care what other folk do. That shit went unrecoverably out of control like, ten years ago.

[Barrakketh]

Considering her age at the time, I doubt she would have had it together enough to just leave her family even if she were subject to repeated beatings.

Moreover, even if she had reported it she was only 16 and living with her father. Things could have gotten a lot worse while she lived under the same roof as him if she reported it then, especially if she and/or her mother were unable to go live elsewhere.

it's very reasonable for this incident to cast doubt on his ability to function as a fair judge under any court of law, as well as his right to be caretaker of his children, based solely on the actions he is seen to take in the video.

He also said that a child's statements amounted to no evidence in a ruling he made last year. That or he concurred with an attorney that made said statement, depending on where you read it (most of them are attributed to the judge himself).

He has joint custody of a 10 year old child, and I can only hope that he has nothing more than supervised visitation with her in the future. Judging by statements he has made since the video was posted, he certainly seems unrepentant about what he did. (I guess he is a strong believer in "Spare the rod, spoil the child".)

"Now bend over... and take it like a grown woman"
What the fuck is this shit.

He expects them to be submissive (even saying he was going to beat her into submission in the video). Not uncommon with people in a position of power, like police officers - aside from the douchey ones you might have encountered in person, you've probably seen many videos posted online of LEOs abusing their position. And with cops, you're all but guaranteed that they won't be punished since 99% of them will not turn on one of their own.

[Elixir]

http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/17330 ... -Daughter-

Sweep it under the carpet. That's the American way. Always has been. Always will be.

[antron]

Always will be.

you are so wrong. every abused kid in the country is currently hiding a camera somewhere.

apple has an official cop recorder app:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/cop-reco ... 40863?mt=8
don't know if this app supports remote storage, but some do. they can smash the phone all they want.

the abusive parent recorder app is certainly in the works. activates at the sound of a belt lash or a scream of "please stop!"
SERIOUSLY.

[Specineff]

Well, the clearing he got will only pave the way for the abuse this guy is going to get courtesy of Anonymous. Even if we don't count that, his reputation is tarnished either way. I wouldn't serve him a glass of water in my hypothetical restaurant, for example.

[moozooh]

"Now bend over... and take it like a grown woman"
What the fuck is this shit.

He expects them to be submissive (even saying he was going to beat her into submission in the video).

Well that's the kicker: the quote comes from the mother. Like I said, the whole family is fucked up.

[Moniker]

http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/17330 ... -Daughter-

Sweep it under the carpet. That's the American way. Always has been. Always will be.

The crime is past the statute of limitations... I don't see how that's a sweeping under the rug, exactly. Certainly this case may serve as a catalyst for revising the statute in cases of abuse, but the law is the law. Same article says they're going to pursue federal charges where the statute doesn't apply, if possible.

[chempop]

I'm a firm believer that this story is encouraging a lynch mob mentality which will only be the cause of more hate and anger, solving very little of the actual problem. It's very easy to be outraged and to post some comment expressing how this guy is at fault. It's not very easy to look at the bigger picture, which is about the huge grey area that child abuse laws can be interpreted as.

Did he violently go overboard with the belt, yes. But the points some of you have raised about the difference between getting beat and injured from abuse, versus spanked in the butt is valid. The whole issue of corporal punishment is bizarre, yes, it's still allowed in nearly 20 states for it's use in schools..

I know I'm somewhat rambling, but I am glad to see people here actually having somewhat of a discussion about this rather than joining the Anonymous wagon. There are much bigger fish to fry, and I worry that setting an example of this situation is going to be a step in the wrong direction if we ever want to truly address and make progress on the issue of domestic violence.

[idchappy]

I made it 1:10 in.. I can't watch that.

Unbelievable

I got to the same point, what a fucking animal

[neorichieb1971]

My favourite bit was when the father went to get the 2nd belt. Hilarious!

[Jockel]

You must of lived in quite a sheltered life, if you think that hurt all that much. She had clothes on for one thing.

Ah, that's okay then.

"I've been way more hardcore when I was beaten up as a kid"

[Leandro]

I just know that if my kiddo ever pulls shit like illegally download copyrighted material, I will hastily sit her down and discuss the situation sanely and intelligently.

If my kid ever pulls shit like buying a dvd, I will hastily sit him/her down and instruct him/her in the use of bittorrent to get it for free.

lol, that's exactly how it's done here in brazil

[jpj]

karma's a bitch

[MR_Soren]

However, it shouldn't be on YouTube.

I don't think it's your call.



Based on the reactions, I actually expected this video to be a lot worse. However, I had sound off, so perhaps that dulled my impression.

[Friendly]

I somewhat agree that there is a place for this to be on the Net, in order to expose the guy for the monster he is.

No, it should be on the internet to make people think and break the circle of violece. The more people see it, the better. That's why youtube was a good choice. Which brings me to the second part of your post:

However, it shouldn't be on YouTube.

Beginning to see a pattern here. So only stuff that meets your personal moral standards of "decency" should be on youtube for us to watch?

"that video doesn't belong on YouTube"

[Vamos]

yeah seriously what rights and grounds Greg do you think you have to decide what everyone else watches and where they watch it? if you dont like things on youtube why dont you click off and leave everyone else to it , inb4 hurrdurr u guiz shud be smartor n lyk what i lyk.

[jpj]

err, youtube actually encourages people to flag violent or otherwise offensive/harmful content

which is probably why this video is age-restricted

[moozooh]

Online age restriction has never been a measure to protect the underage audience, it's trivial to circumvent. It's a measure to protect the site owners from millions of lawsuits: "see, we've tried!"

[Marc]

Very, very rarely lay hands on my kids. Don't need to, they know when Dad's got the pissy face on its time to cut the shit. I guess if my kids were little fucking horrors it mIght be a different story, but they were brought up with respect from me, and therefore they show it to others. Mostly.