Hellsinker English patch RELEASED!

[shinimai]

Thankｓ introduction.

I'm unaccustomed to write English Forums.
Very different from Japanese BBS.
But now　re-post the comments about Hellsinker.s transportation.

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In general the texts of Hellsinker. is very difficult.
There is a lot of things Japanese players don't understand.
Especially the style of writing is fantasmo, pedantic.
Fans call it "Ranyon-go" derived from the creator's name "HiRanyon".
("go" is 語, in japan languages.)

I'm not good in English, so it is difficult to translate these texts to adequate English.
(Maybe it is so difficult as translate Greek old poems... )
But　I want to answer questions as much as possible.

[shinimai]

The Unnamed 771 was originally just a kitten.
But she by accident　came in the core of the CARDINALSHAFT.
As a result, lonely THE QUADRUPLE ONE begin a friendship with this kitten named amber.

But this ending is mysterious, fans make different interpretations.
More or less people think that ｔhe Unnamed 771 and the QUADRUPLE ONE are fusion-ed　by some form.

[O. Van Bruce]

OH THANK GOD!

IS THIS REALLY TRUE? A japanese will take some time to explain us the story? Please do so! we are so lacking of actual in-game information that sometimes rumors spread without evidence!

If you have problems writing in english, just write what you can... but give us some information!

Much apreciated.

[shinimai]

Your welcome.

IS THIS REALLY TRUE?

Evidences are contained in THE QUADRUPLE ONE AFTERIMAGE.

ある朝、四人の仔の目の前に頼りない小さな生き物の影が現れた。　
One morning here comes a helpless little creature beforeTHE QUADRUPLE ONE.
（・・・）
頭から爪先までの一切が真っ白な、小さい体の子猫。 This is a spotlessly white little kitten.
（・・・）
ねえ 君も何かを待っているのなら。 浅い眠りの下、無碍に時を持て余すだけと言うのなら、それまでの間。君の願いが叶うまで、一緒に同じ夢を見ていよう。
Well if you are waiting something too, in shallow sleep, you don't know what to do with your time.
Then let us to have a same dream together.

and ON THE EDGE OF THE CIRCLE

だから私は今でも、今この身が、かつて猫であったものと、かつて人間であったもの、それらの馬鹿げた歪な複合体だとしても。
So now I may be rubbish fusion of a cat and humans at a time in the past.

[O. Van Bruce]

Until now, I thought that THE LOST PROPERTY 771 was a cat and THE UNNAMED 771 was it's owner...


Well, let's see what you can translate and maybe all the misteries will be solved

[shinimai]

It's my interpretation, not common view.

THE LOST PROPERTY 771 is just a kitten.
Because THE QUADRUPLE ONE and THE LOST PROPERTY 771 each emerge in the last event of Hellsinker.

But THE UNNAMED 771 is the fusion of they.
Because she has a human-like body in THE WAY OF ALL FLESH.

THE QUADRUPLE ONE or The Garland system name a kitten THE LOST PROPERTY 771.
Player disencumber they, as a result this kitten lose her name.
So she is THE UNNAMED 771.
But Somebody (maybe Dead Liar) call her amber in THE [QUADRUPLE ONE] AFTERIMAGE.

[RNGmaster]

So, a few questions for you if you don't mind.
- What is going on in The Way of All Flesh? Where does it take place and why are the Executors there?
- Was Rex Cavalier once a human being, and do we know who he was?
- Are the Relics in the Shirne of Farewell the same as the Quadruple Ones?

And by the way, what's the Japanese Hellsinker fanbase like? There are only a few Hellsinker fans in the west, and I just want to know - is there a Hellsinker thread on 2chan, or some other Hellsinker imageboard?

[Captain]

Rex was the leader of the Graveyard i think.

[RNGmaster]

That is what the TVTropes page says, but I'm not sure anything in-game supports that.

[shinimai]

So, a few questions for you if you don't mind.
- What is going on in The Way of All Flesh? Where does it take place and why are the Executors there?
- Was Rex Cavalier once a human being, and do we know who he was?
- Are the Relics in the Shirne of Farewell the same as the Quadruple Ones?

And by the way, what's the Japanese Hellsinker fanbase like? There are only a few Hellsinker fans in the west, and I just want to know - is there a Hellsinker thread on 2chan, or some other Hellsinker imageboard?

It is difficult to interpret what is going on in The Way of All Flesh...
The information is so few.
One thing is clear that The Lost Property 771 became a fusion with the Quadruple Ones.
The last event of full sequences express her just kitten, but in The Way of All Flesh having human-like body.

Rex Cavalier and other prayers were once human being.
Maybe the Executors don't know Rex Cavalier.
But Dead-Lair（he is higher ranking in the graveyard） seem to know some prayers, for example Old Rose and Saint Mouve.

Also　it is difficult to interpret what is the Shirne of Farewell, but is of little relevance to the Quadruple Ones.

In Japan popularity of Toho is overwhelming, so Hellsinker's fan is minority.
But cult-like popularity in 2ch thread.
http://yuzuru.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/gameama/1316180509/

There is a Hellsinker imageboard once, but now disappear.
Much fans active in other services, for example pixiv.

[RNGmaster]

In Japan popularity of Toho is overwhelming, so Hellsinker's fan is minority.
But cult-like popularity in 2ch thread.
http://yuzuru.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/gameama/1316180509/

There is a Hellsinker imageboard once, but now disappear.
Much fans active in other services, for example pixiv.

I'm sorry to hear that. Hellsinker really deserves to be more popular.

And it's good to know that I'm not the only one who doesn't understand what's going on in Way of All Flesh.

[Captain]

Well i know this.

Perpetual calender is a prayer that absorbs other prayers.
So it absorbed the non circle bosses and apparently two people.
Old Rose might as well literally be old Rose.
Which implies Rose was actually the boss from Radio Zonde that got absorbed or copied by Perpetual Calender, linking the two games further.

Also, from what i saw here, I can assume Garland was built to control the legacies, but after a while, the legacies started defending it because it got a will of it's own.
And apparently they called the legacy-defenders prayers.
And apparently Garland could turn people into prayers as well, which would explain Rex being turned into one, but I cannot help remember the story of Zonde where they find a girl in a "Great One". Perhaps the prayers are just mechs that people get into, and Garland just brainwashes the people....

[O. Van Bruce]

My theory about THE WAY OF ALL FLESH...

They enter some kind of spiritual world or a world created by THE UNNAMED 771 conscience and they chase it to capture it for some reason. That would explain:

1. Why all of the enemies are called "Passing Phrase" as they are thoughts of THE UNNAMED 771.
2. All of those unlinked sentences on the background (also, product of THE UNNAMED 771 conscience).
3. the huge "aura" that envelopes THE UNNAMED 771, which is unique through all the game.

This theory links with THE GREAT MAJORITY if it's asumed that it's the process of entering and "hacking" your way to THE UNNAMED 771 world that shows on THE WAY OF ALL FLESH. Just remember that, when you defeat the last enemy on that stage, it changes it's name to "Passing Phrase".

PD: Yeah, I love the caps of this game

[Captain]

That actually made some sense.

[O. Van Bruce]

Still I live thinking that this will never be trasnlated... the wiki seems dead and even this foruim doesn't pay too much attention to this thread...

It's depressing to get your hopes up and then go down by the way of the harsh reality (tohos get translations and this not).

BTW shinimai, can you confirm the fact that the people on the shrine of farewell aren't the same as the former humans of the queadruple one.

If they are not, then who are they? what is the shrine of farewell?

[shinimai]

BTW shinimai, can you confirm the fact that the people on the shrine of farewell aren't the same as the former humans of the queadruple one.
If they are not, then who are they? what is the shrine of farewell?

This is texts in Manuals(概要と手引き)

決別の霊廟…　　　　
継承されるべきではないとされた技/業を持った英霊や人が持て余した物達が眠る、実在と非実在の狭間の巨大墓所群。
沈黙のうちに忘れ去られたもの達の折り重なる場所。がらくた集積所。言葉狩りの墓所。
（・・・）
かつては物理的に実在の場所だったらしいが、今はその影は無く、幽かに存在の痕跡を匂わせる名残が各地に残るのみである。

多量の「幽かな生物」を従えるEXECUTORが持つ持病のような現象として、
飽和した「幽かな生物」の膜を通し、一時的にこの霊廟の一端と繋がってしまう「ブリンク」が挙げられる。
「幽かな生物」が穿つ穴に呑まれたEXECUTORは実時間にして数十秒から数分の間、実在の空間から消失（ブリンク）する。

This texts say that the shrine of farewell　is the huge grave between existence and non-existence.
Heroic Dead(英霊) with forbidden skill/karm keep sleeping there.

EXECUTORs fight with an entourage of 「幽かな生物＝spirit or tiny living thing」,
So they fall into the shrine of farewell.
Texts say this is some kind of diseases.

Heroic Dead(英霊) is someone archive superior skill, and keep it with plates, but don't have body.
The people on the shrine of farewell is some of 英霊, most superior(forbidden) skill.

I don't think that the queadruple one is some of 英霊.
Rather 英霊 was superior EXECUTORs.
Because Dead Liar seems to know some 英霊.
And Al4th says

久しいな　我等が後輩諸君
It has been a long time.
Our junior fellows.

In Japan fan call Al4th ｔhe Senior.

BTW, There is the interviews of Heranyon in a doujin "犬丼定食".
In this Heranyon deny the relation Hellsinker. and Radiozonde.

[Bananamatic]

Terra=Earth...and once it runs out, you end up in some other dimension where you have infinite lives.

Makes sense...kind of.

[RNGmaster]

I'd think that translating Rise of the Shrine of Farewell would probably give some more clarification. Then again, it might just be more ranyonese...

[O. Van Bruce]

Wow.... so those guys in there were former executors... How interesting then...

Maybe they were part of the other raids that were made on the CARDINAL SHAFT? and sudenly, they present thenselves and test this generation of EXECUTORS?

I'd think that translating Rise of the Shrine of Farewell would probably give some more clarification. Then again, it might just be more ranyonese...

Still worthy of knowing it XD

[Captain]

More likely that they got into the shrine as well but got defeated by the current keepers of it then and got trapped.

[RNGmaster]

I think of the Shrine as sort of an afterlife, and when the characters run out of Terra they literally die and must be reincarnated by defeating other dead Executors.

Hence why it's called the Shrine of FAREWELL.

I still think that the QUADRUPLE ONES are related to the RELICS, though, since the posthumous names for the QUADRUPLE ONES clearly reference some of the RELICS' attacks (Strange Moon is a phrase found in one of the posthumous names, for example).

[Captain]

Then explain.

"The death is waiting for you"
Surrender/Decieve it.


Death would never be there if the shrine was the afterlife.
And there is no "Death" in the shrine.

(i made a pun with no intend to do so, it seems)

[RNGmaster]

You can't die if you're already dead. Hence why you have infinite lives in the shrine.

[shinimai]

About 英霊 and 決別の霊廟　, let you read documents （資料）in Manual(概要と手引き).

But this text is also difficult Ranyonese（ I like this expression lol!）.

In Japan fans say the final boss of Hellsinker is this Manual(概要と手引き).

[Captain]

I'm telling you, Death would be "waiting for you" at the shrine if it was in fact the afterlife.

[O. Van Bruce]

Never mind my last coment. I was esceptic about automatic translation so I haven't done any robot translation until now. I went to excite.co.jp and from what was translated can be infered some interesting facts.

It will laugh, if it says that the star was seen etc.
But, it was right supposing there were words by which this is denoted appropriately.
When having recongnized suddenly, it was in such a place unawares.
Talk foolish although there is nothing also indifferently uniquely ....
No, it was the talk which was bewitched.
oh [ circumference ] -- pale uncertain 星々 which encloses the ゆる direction.
Light which flickers irregularly in darkness, winks and sears a sense of distance of what is seen.
The whole sky reduced to the view makes an institution called the planetarium of 往昔 consider.
It is the lamplight of the particles of the detailed life which shows mysterious behavior.
The bubble of an infinite form which carries a 形ある intention.
borrowing the archaic word which the convention lost distantly left -- us -- the << soul >>, the << soul >>, the << energy >>, and << -- << which spins what has called it the faint living thing >>, and the piece of 欠 of a word, accomplishes a meaning, and expresses it -- they were smallest thing lights >>.
being boring -- the lump of small mist which shines palely dimly.
It increased the depth certainly, making the shade of the light swing trembling with a wave.
soon -- << -- the group of the faint living thing >> is big -- it was collected spherically.
Then, also while printing the figure on eyes, there is nothing, it was rapidly shrunk to one point, and it became seven 条 [ about eight ] and was able to flip.
Although it must have been fairly strong light volume, the process in which the belt of light takes a circumference orbit completely and not painful to eyes, and it forms a ring to a mysterious thing has been grasped clearly.
Before feeling the unpleasantness displayed, a kind of 恍惚 passed.
Before noticing it, it stands before a door, and it is 。.
If you notice, turning a key is already finished. Although it compares and is a talk, there is what was said so well.
However, even if you noticed the thing with bad character slightly in this case, say that it is time of having decided and forgotten that comes on.
It was sinking into the trifling crevice which is not stopped on a its mind, either like a smooth liquid.
falling into sleep, the about the same, and it advance without impressing sense of incongruity -- ?? -- it was received as [ entire ] defenseless and nonresistant, and also there was no way.
Noctiluca.
<< -- there was a man who said that the faint living thing >> was an insect which shows a dream.
Although he did not remember the man's face, only the language was still printed as.
Possibly there was a place to which it is convinced in the word by somewhere.
It,
What we have so far thrown away, things who are going to be driven away from memory The mountain which it builds is a 堆く聳える cemetery.
The way reached to the place.
If it was a place, the gate to ぬ場所 was the moment of having opened a mouth.

Also:

What was tasted first was a muddy taste.
It was not well to the extent that it compared so.
Although it was not visible against it with the body as for which the exception also gave the crack ?? life received in the body to how many, it felt that it was cured ironic.
It was strange.
No, it stops having felt and the circumstances where self places the body were surely stranger now only by saying [ long feeling ].
Even if it is [ whose metaphor and that are ] like the poisoning applied to a deep mind only the vision that muddled consciousness gathered.
Sure enough, while how much, was it?
It tries to explore it the same with always carrying out.
Although the difference of the numerical value which the thin resin version of one sheet attached to the body shows brought about relief, it was so small that it was enough to also give embarrassment simultaneously, and the jam was short.
Carry out ceremony niece た深呼吸 gently.
It is going to reflect on what he was looking at to for a time [ which consciousness can take to somewhere away ].
but emerging -- also suspending -- it is only a whirlpool of the impression which is not and there was no come-and-go of what it is appealing against with steadfast form in any way.
I feel that there were some which are meaningful of something.
I feel that it had said that something was meaningful.
However, it is not held in this hand now.
In addition, it still falls, it was lost sequentially from the end, and it seemed that it is in free [ of the process which does not understand a meaning anymore ].
There is no telling what have seen, any longer.
However, only this upsurge that remains after passing away, and the heart which did not find a reason, either but where somewhere vexations cleared up are left behind.
It must be the same as what surely was sensed once.
And it was a fragment of the far day which is not sensed any longer now.
Was it a nightmare?
It must have turned out that there is no meaning which asks it.
Even if a metaphor and it are which.
Because it was equal, and it was different in it and this now was not in it, either.
It was only a question that is asked before it finishes and as for which 詮 is not.
Raw [ of the falsehood burned on this body ] also took again the sleep which is the first temporary death.
There is already no dream anywhere and it was also able to be said that it was always in where.
It had already been changed into such inconsistent random monsters.
It was settled when calling it the fictitious existence which language produced.
Noctiluca.
<< -- there was a man who said that the faint living thing >> was an insect which shows a dream.
Although he did not remember the man's face, only the language was still printed as.
Possibly there was a place to which it is convinced in the word by somewhere.

About "the insect which shows a dream, it may be a reference to this: http://www.xtec.es/~lvallmaj/aniversa/somni2.htm

[shinimai]

The story of Hellsiner and Ranyonese is very difficult.
But It is clear that what inspired Hellsinker.
For example, Nihei Tustom's manga, Blame! or Biomega.

If you understand the world of Hellsinker, then read these manga.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_c8NSXirMs

[Captain]

both seem cool.

[O. Van Bruce]

So... it seems someone has been messing with the english wikia... i searched for it today to check new translations and i find this:

http://wiki.hellsinker.tk/wiki/MEMENTO_ ... DINALSHAFT

http://wiki.hellsinker.tk/wiki/Four_posthumous_names

Seems like most of this was made bettwen the 12th and 13th of December... and almost every article is like that...

what's happening here? some internet trolls destroying the wiki?

PD: Shinimai dissapeared... well, it was bound to happen but it's quite sad...

[shinimai]

Hi! Everyone.
Sorry for being a stranger.
I was busy.
But I will translate this wiki　bit by bit, and provide an answer to a question if at all possible.

BTW, What do you think about Hellsinker's music?
I wanna know that from other than Japanese player.