Is it really possible to 1CC Radiant SilverGun?

Post by **Icarus** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:07 pm

There are a few key stages where you can really ramp up your score and your weapon power, but they need to be perfectly chained. In order (Arcade Mode Stage 4 Route):

3B: Red (97k pts), then finishing with 2x Secret at the section with all the laser gunners before the boss
3E: Red (90k pts) then finishing with 4x Secret (tricky to do, requires Hyper Sword)
4A: 2x Secret to Red (4x 100k pts) - very high scoring, total chain worth over 2mil
4C: Blue (4x 100k pts) - worth more than Red, but trickier to do
4E: Red (around 12x 100k pts) - second most high scoring stage
5A: Red - total available score is between 10-12mil for this stage alone, the stage is very long, and must be perfect and no-missed

Good luck in your travels, Twitchdoc

The game lasts an hour from start to finish in Arcade Mode, about an hour and a half in Saturn Mode with the extra bosses and complete play through (Ohtrigen is one of the best bosses in any game, ever), so you'll be sat there for a good long while.

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:16 pm

Acid King wrote:
TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:
I also dislike "Saturn Mode", because it allows you to slowly build up weapon power and save it. See, this goes against my "arcade rules".
Its like using "Save States" or something else real cheap. (Konami code,etc)
Not really, considering Treasure developed it and put it there for a reason... it's not a hidden cheat, it's a developer created game mode...

Nah, thats not my style. After all, Psikyo added in "Monkey" difficulty, but I sure as hell ain't going to play it like that!
Normal default or arcade style for me...all except for Battle Garegga anyway's.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:26 pm

TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:I kinda feel like I know "how to play" the game now, and I'm understanding the chaining aspects, but there are some parts that literally freak me out...as in "Ohh SHIT! What the fuck am I supposed to do know!!??"

Heh, that's personally my favorite aspect of the game: no other shmup I've played has ever given me as much of a feeling of "you've gotta be freakin' kidding me..." with some of the stuff it throws at you and demands you handle. Yeah, the presentation's nice, and all the weapons and whatnot are cool too, but it's the <strongbad>HOLY CRAP!</strongbad> factor that really defines the game, as far as I'm concerned. In any event, glad you're enjoying it a bit.

jp · Post by jp » Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:28 pm

Yes, as I have done it. So has ben.shinobi and probably several other people.

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:51 pm

jp wrote:Yes, as I have done it. So has ben.shinobi and probably several other people.

Let me hear the details, Ace.

jp · Post by jp » Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:43 pm

"I hate having to chain...in fact I hate "chain shmups"... ok, I said it.
Is it at all possible to 1CC this game simply by attempting to kill everything on site(old school style). Or do you have to be anal and shoot only certain colors all the time? "

You HAVE to chain. The bosses will devour you otherwise.

"Also, is it that much more helpfull to "disect" the bosses. I usually try to kill em quick. (shoot the core/ to hell with the wings)"

Yes, it is helpful because it adds to the score which = more powerful weapons.

"I HATE the anal "chaining" style.
It would be cool if they added a "shoot the fuck outa everything as fast as you can" mode, but oh well."

Thats just the way the game is bro. I'm sorry you dislike the scoring system, but... *shrugs*

"BTW: The guy who wrote up a "guide" at Gamefaqs is totally annoying in my opinion.
He says something to the effect of, "I'm no shooter God, but I can beat SilverGun with 1 life".
FAG!!!"

Actually, you don't even have to be that good to 1CC Radiant Silvergun IMO. RS is 95% time spent/memorization and 5% skill. You won't find anybody who can pick it up and 1CC it... but the people who dedicate hundreds of hours to it typically can fairly easily.

Really, RS is a game that grows with you. At first its near impossible and frustrating, but after 10-25 hours with it you'll be beating the first two levels with your eyes closed. How well you do on the later levels really depends on:
A. How powerful your weapons are.
B. How much you've practiced them.

Personally, I find 1CCing RS or Ikaruga more of a "Good job, you had a lot of time on your hands." type deal as opposed to say... 1CCing Soukyugurentai, Battle Garegga, Metal Black, Batsugun (Normal), etc. where its like "Holy fuck, you got skills."

Edit:
And I can say the above as someone who has 1CC'd both and loves Radiant Silvergun.

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:09 pm

Uhhm...yea. Yea, I've been pretty busy with it lately and I'm learning some good chains through the first few levels. Seems as though I prefer to chain "red" enemies. Its only later on that I get all cluster fucked with everything.
By that time my weapons are usually A=8 B= 5 C=11 or so. (I forget exactly)

What I meant by "details" where actual details on how you yourself played when you 1CC it. And please don't tell me to simply play the game for another 100 hours. There is just as much skill needed as there is memorization.

Did you play with full defaults? Arcade or Saturn mode...both? Routes taken/prefered?
Anyway's, thats more or less what I meant.

Post by **Icarus** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:24 pm

TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:Uhhm...yea. Yea, I've been pretty busy with it lately and I'm learning some good chains through the first few levels. Seems as though I prefer to chain "red" enemies. Its only later on that I get all cluster fucked with everything.

Red is good for most, if not all stages. Only certain stages require you to chain something other than Red (Secret for 3D and 4D, Blue for 4C etc).

TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:Did you play with full defaults? Arcade or Saturn mode...both? Routes taken/prefered?

Always on full defaults.

Arcade Mode you can select your second set of stages (either Stage 2 or Stage 4, the Stage 4 route is higher scoring but harder), while Saturn Mode does them all in the order 3, 2, 4, 5, 6, 1.

In Arcade Mode, I always take Stage 4 route (for obvious reasons).

Last time I played it, I cleared Arcade Mode with over 20mil. That was a while ago though, and it's been several years since I last played seriously. IMO Stage 5A is the most difficult in the whole game, beating Xiga is a cakewalk compared to chaining this long and difficult stage.

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:46 pm

I've improved a LOT within the last few days...but the last few levels seem pretty much untouchable for me yet.

I can a at least (finally) get halfway through the game with 1 credit.

U K Narayan · Post by **U K Narayan** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:29 am

I've seen alot of 1CCs performed.

What I'd really like to see is a 1-LIFE COMPLETION.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:53 pm

I think ben shinobi submitted at least one 1LC score to the RSG HS topic in the high score forum, not sure if he recorded it or anything though.

CVM · Post by **CVM** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:15 pm

Icarus wrote:Arcade Mode you can select your second set of stages (either Stage 2 or Stage 4, the Stage 4 route is higher scoring but harder), while Saturn Mode does them all in the order 3, 2, 4, 5, 6, 1.

Also worthy of note is that stages 5 and 6 are different in Saturn mode. Stage 5 gains section 5B, which is a whole extra boss to tackle (a rather nasty one at that) and Stage 6A doesn't go straight to XIGA. Instead you get 4 bosses extra before him: W(- -)W, VARAS, BECHEW & OHTRIGEN. Basically, I'd recommend Arcade mode for your first 1CC, and attacking Saturn mode later for a much harder clear.

Also, Stage 5A is different between Arcade and Saturn modes. A bunch of enemy formations and stuff are changed in the later half, which kinda screws with your head in runs if you've been using Saturn mode for practicing the stage, so be warned.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:23 pm

CVM wrote:Basically, I'd recommend Arcade mode for your first 1CC, and attacking Saturn mode later for a much harder clear.

IIRC after a certain point your weapons in Saturn mode also level up more slowly than in Arcade mode, right? The extra stuff is there to make up for it, obviously, but that might be another thing to take into consideration.

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:18 pm

Either way, SilverGun will keep anybody busy for quite a while!
I mean, you have the Arcade mode in which you can beat both routes, and then Saturn mode...which basically comes out to at least 3 different ways to go for the goal.

Arcade mode is where its at for me, as I consider Saturn mode more of a novelty. (well, when saving weapon status)

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:41 pm

Way back in the day on the old paradise web spammed boards, a member named juanjuan told me several times he had. Wasn't a weird/cocky guy either so I believe he did.

Edit: I dunno if he chained though. ahem

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 4:53 am

Dylan1CC wrote:Way back in the day on the old paradise web spammed boards, a member named juanjuan told me several times he had. Wasn't a weird/cocky guy either so I believe he did.

Edit: I dunno if he chained though. ahem

I remember him...so, since you've been a fan of this game all the while, how are you doing at it?

BTW: I've beaten my last high score. Its like 23.....something now.
I'm also taking route "2" instead of "4". Much easier I might add.
Still, I was in the process of developing some cool paterns, but , route 2 is easier when you think about it.

ben.shinobi · Post by **ben.shinobi** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:16 am

I think ben shinobi submitted at least one 1LC score to the RSG HS topic in the high score forum, not sure if he recorded it or anything though.

I've got a 25.1 millions replay with 1 life (arcade mode and defaults extend)

I can put this video on-line if you want

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 8:14 am

Wow...although I myself won't be able to download a thing on this computer, someday, somehow, I would like to see that.
However, it could spoil my ability so to speak; as I want to "master" the game on my own.

Yea, I'm hardcore(hardheaded) like that!

ben.shinobi · Post by **ben.shinobi** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:56 am

You can see here: http://benjamin.bouloch.free.fr/ben-shinobi.htm
how it is possible to make +25M. on arcade mode.

In fact, it's possible to get 27M on arcade mode. the worlds record is 27.3 millions

ArrogantBastard · Post by **ArrogantBastard** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:23 pm

ben.shinobi wrote:You can see here: http://benjamin.bouloch.free.fr/ben-shinobi.htm
how it is possible to make +25M. on arcade mode.

In fact, it's possible to get 27M on arcade mode. the worlds record is 27.3 millions

WIZ set that record, correct?

Edit: Ah, no, it's not WIZ. He scored 26,015,290.

The person that ben.shinobi is talking about is YAMA-SAN with a score of 27,336,540.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:29 am

TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:
Dylan1CC wrote:Way back in the day on the old paradise web spammed boards, a member named juanjuan told me several times he had. Wasn't a weird/cocky guy either so I believe he did.

Edit: I dunno if he chained though. ahem

I remember him...so, since you've been a fan of this game all the while, how are you doing at it?

BTW: I've beaten my last high score. Its like 23.....something now.
I'm also taking route "2" instead of "4". Much easier I might add.
Still, I was in the process of developing some cool paterns, but , route 2 is easier when you think about it.

Hoo boy, I am way, way, waaaay behind on Radiant Silvergun. The only basic chain I know is chaining one group of red, then one blue enemy then getting subsequent 10,000 point bonuses on yellow enemies. My highest score is about 1 and a half mil last I checked. Learning how to score properly in both Progear and Radiant are high on my list after I am tired of playing Mushi. Not to mention getting more used to rank in Garegga which I started to a year ago then procrastinated and started playing other games.

ben.shinobi · Post by **ben.shinobi** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:12 am

The person that ben.shinobi is talking about is YAMA-SAN with a score of 27,336,540.

Yes, you're right !
T3-Cyr-Wiz has the world record by stage 2 with 22.951.260 pts (source from the latest Arcadia Mag.)

ArrogantBastard · Post by **ArrogantBastard** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:21 am

ben.shinobi wrote:Yes, you're right !
T3-Cyr-Wiz has the world record by stage 2 with 22.951.260 pts (source from the latest Arcadia Mag.)

I got the information from Gemant ZBL-FUKUDA's Gamest / Arcadia Records database.

This is what it says here, but obviously WIZ has broken MKN-YUE KINGORO's Stage 2 record.

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RADIANT SILVERGUN     YAMA SAN           STAGE 4       27.336.540     ALL AUTOFIRE Э
                      MKN-YUE KINGORO    STAGE 2       22.860.060     ALL AUTOFIRE Э

Anyways, keep up the good work on your RSG videos. I just downloaded and watched your newest replays, and they're really well done. I had your old ones for a while until I decided to download your newest ones, so I really haven't seen any of updated videos if you've been posting, but it looks like you've finally used the ship to grind against objects to rack up extra points. (I may have not noticed this in your old video, but I just noticed this just today.)

Dartagnan1083 · Post by **Dartagnan1083** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:51 am

I see lots of speculation on the chaining in RSG in this thread.

and from my end, while you do HAVE to chain. . .you don't neccessarily have to go for the huge uber chains. I can typically survive well against most bosses with low level weapons by simple weaving and tenacity.

Sure, it's harder. . .but it's easier on the mind to not have to use exact memorization for the more hectic parts.