RSG publish DDP Resurrection in Europe

[Aliquantic]

You can't set it yourself but it seems to be automagic, thankfully for those of us importing games or consoles from the "other" TV area So I wouldn't worry about DFK...

[omenaa]

Can't you manually set you X360 to output either NTSC or PAL in the console settings, rather than depending on the game?
I gotta admit this isn't something I have given any thoughts in this generation of consoles, NTSC and PAL is really a thing of the past.

It's not depending the game. Pal 360 outputs PAL (50&60) and NTSC 360 outputs NTSC. It's that simple.

Any region 360 can output PAL and NTSC. I have a J-360 and have no problems playing PAL games on it.

hmm.. are you sure it's outputting PAL-60, not NTSC when you are playing PAL game on it?


xbl0x180, I explained already on the previous page.

[xbl0x180]

Can't you manually set you X360 to output either NTSC or PAL in the console settings, rather than depending on the game?
I gotta admit this isn't something I have given any thoughts in this generation of consoles, NTSC and PAL is really a thing of the past.

It's not depending the game. Pal 360 outputs PAL (50&60) and NTSC 360 outputs NTSC. It's that simple.

Sooooo... we wouldn't be able to play PAL games on a NTSC console

[bcass]

Can't you manually set you X360 to output either NTSC or PAL in the console settings, rather than depending on the game?
I gotta admit this isn't something I have given any thoughts in this generation of consoles, NTSC and PAL is really a thing of the past.

It's not depending the game. Pal 360 outputs PAL (50&60) and NTSC 360 outputs NTSC. It's that simple.

Any region 360 can output PAL and NTSC. I have a J-360 and have no problems playing PAL games on it.

[Deca]

I still don't see an answer on whether a PAL 360 game will display properly on an NTSC 360 hooked up to an NTSC TV via Composite. Seriously can I just get a straight answer here or does nobody actually know?

[Estebang]

Sorry if this has already been asked, but where's the best place to import games from Europe to the US?

NCSX doesn't normally deal with Euro imports, and they seem to have DFK for about ten bucks more than most places. HMV ships internationally, but they have the wrong release date listed, so I'd be worried whether it would get out at all.

[Sumez]

Any region 360 can output PAL and NTSC. I have a J-360 and have no problems playing PAL games on it.

Playing EU regions games and outputting a PAL video signal are two entirely different things, and in the case of X360, also completely unrelated.

If what omenaa said is true, and I'd assume it is, since anything else wouldn't make sense considering how the system work, your US X360 will automatically output NTSC no matter the region of the game you're playing. However, color coding is only an issue with composite or RF video, anyway, and if you hooked your X360 up using that, you're probably not even smart enough to log into this forum anyway. As for 50hz/60z, I don't think anyone are playing games in 50hz anymore...

It's silly even discussing NTSC and PAL on modern consoles, but referring to the European or American/Japanese lockout regions as such is a leftover from the past, causing EU/Austration region games to be commonly referred to as "PAL region". The "system" name for the European DeathSmiles release is even "DEATHSMILES PAL".

[PC Engine Fan X!]

Sorry if this has already been asked, but where's the best place to import games from Europe to the US?

NCSX doesn't normally deal with Euro imports, and they seem to have DFK for about ten bucks more than most places. HMV ships internationally, but they have the wrong release date listed, so I'd be worried whether it would get out at all.

Yep, here's NCSX's preorder for the upcoming Euro region 360 DDP-Resurrection game: http://www.shopncsx.com/ddpresurrection.aspx

They do carry a few European video game titles but it's by special request, of course.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[StarCreator]

I don't think he needs the link to NCS if he knows how much they're charging for the preorder.

[Estebang]

Yeah, that doesn't answer my question.

[denpanosekai]

Sorry if this has already been asked, but where's the best place to import games from Europe to the US?

By no means are they the "best" site, but I'm going to go with Zavvi as soon as they put the preorder up. Can't beat free shipping if you're not in a hurry (2-3 weeks at most, though I've seen 5 business days).

Dunno why Zavvi's so slow with offering DDP:RE preorders. If RSG is reading this, hopefully they'll look into this.

[BPzeBanshee]

I still don't see an answer on whether a PAL 360 game will display properly on an NTSC 360 hooked up to an NTSC TV via Composite. Seriously can I just get a straight answer here or does nobody actually know?

Any region 360 can output PAL and NTSC. I have a J-360 and have no problems playing PAL games on it.

I'm not exactly a practical expert but that tells me that running PAL X360 games on an NTSC-based console works.

If that's not a straight enough answer I wonder if you'll get a solid blunt response from anyone else here who actually have the same setup as you. Maybe Hardware might be a better place to ask the question instead of the cesspool that is Shmups Chat.

[Deca]

However, color coding is only an issue with composite or RF video, anyway, and if you hooked your X360 up using that, you're probably not even smart enough to log into this forum anyway.

You're right, it's completely foolish of me not to throw out all these perfectly fine CRTs just because the only input they have is composite. I'm flat out retarded for not picking up a (probably) laggy HD display with HDMI and VGA inputs that doesn't match the aspect ratio of the games I intend to play on it. You're right, this is a completely pointless question and this matter has no relevance whatsoever because NOBOBDY could be so stupid to have monitors that take composite inputs, the only place you might find such an oddity is in a museum.

Please show me the truth path, Sumez. Don't answer the question I was so foolish and stupid for asking in the first place. I'm glad you were hear to clear things up.

[Estebang]

My Samsung HDTV has a "Game Mode" for composite/component that eliminates lag at a slight cost to picture quality.

"HDMI lag" is a myth, though some TVs/monitors are laggier than others.

[StarCreator]

My Samsung HDTV has a "Game Mode" for composite/component that eliminates lag at a slight cost to picture quality.

"HDMI lag" is a myth, though some TVs/monitors are laggier than others.

In the big picture, not really (and correct me if I'm wrong on any of this) - in a perfect world there would be no lag due to the connection type, no matter what, but in a big picture perspective, TV manufacturers generally try to make their displays stand out with a significant amount of post processing to the input signal, much of it using techniques which require it to buffer 2-3 frames. This is where most lag comes from in an HDTV, which generally occurs regardless of what input type is used.

This is all above the fact that in general flat panels have a minimum 1 frame of lag as they wait for an entire frame to be transmitted before displaying it rather than drawing it line by line as a CRT would. Even "game mode" (simply a switch to turn off most post-processing, if provided by the TV at all, and sometimes still doesn't turn everything off) can't eliminate this.

Any region 360 can output PAL and NTSC. I have a J-360 and have no problems playing PAL games on it.

But are you absolutely certain the 360 is outputting PAL? From what I understand, most European sets have no problem handling NTSC.

[RNGmaster]

I don't think he needs the link to NCS if he knows how much they're charging for the preorder.

More proof that PCEFX! is either under the influence or a bot. I've always said...

[Sumez]

You're right, it's completely foolish of me not to throw out all these perfectly fine CRTs just because the only input they have is composite. I'm flat out retarded for not picking up a (probably) laggy HD display with HDMI and VGA inputs that doesn't match the aspect ratio of the games I intend to play on it. You're right, this is a completely pointless question and this matter has no relevance whatsoever because NOBOBDY could be so stupid to have monitors that take composite inputs, the only place you might find such an oddity is in a museum.

What the hell are you talking about? When did I tell you not to use CRT TVs?
I told you not to use composite video, there's a world of difference.
I'm sorry if I offended you with my "too stupid" comment, it wasn't my intention.

Please show me the truth path, Sumez. Don't answer the question I was so foolish and stupid for asking in the first place. I'm glad you were hear to clear things up.

If what omenaa said is true, and I'd assume it is, since anything else wouldn't make sense considering how the system work, your US X360 will automatically output NTSC no matter the region of the game you're playing.

[Deca]

What the hell are you talking about? When did I tell you not to use CRT TVs?
I told you not to use composite video, there's a world of difference.
I'm sorry if I offended you with my "too stupid" comment, it wasn't my intention.

I may have overreacted, but your comment just sort of rubbed me the wrong way at the time. I was getting frustrated with not being able to find an answer after a few days of trying and it seemed like you were saying "why the hell do you even care, you're doing it wrong to begin with."

I got the impression that you were suggesting the only acceptable input was HDMI or VGA, and I don't think I've ever seen a CRT that has either of those available. Not saying they don't exist, I just don't think they're particularly common. Wouldn't component have the same sort of problems as composite? The monitors I currently possess are an old TV with composite in, and a PVM with composite and scart.

[Estebang]

You want a CRT with component. The last wave of units manufactured before HDTVs arrived should have them. Mine does.

[Deca]

You want a CRT with component. The last wave of units manufactured before HDTVs arrived should have them. Mine does.

Oh I know that would be ideal, but what I have is working well enough for now and I'm not exactly itching to blow more money Also the scart in on PVM is just as good as component.


So is there anywhere reliable for US customers to purchase with preorders available? I was planning on buying from NCSX, and may yet, but I'm slightly annoyed that they're selling it for 65 after looking at the current exchange rate...

[StarCreator]

It's worth noting that there's another option - finding a PC CRT and hooking it up with the 360's VGA output - which is pretty much as close to optimal as it gets short of owning a trisync arcade monitor.

[Sumez]

I got the impression that you were suggesting the only acceptable input was HDMI or VGA, and I don't think I've ever seen a CRT that has either of those available. Not saying they don't exist, I just don't think they're particularly common. Wouldn't component have the same sort of problems as composite? The monitors I currently possess are an old TV with composite in, and a PVM with composite and scart.

Nope, component is RGB encoded, ie. there's no PAL or NTSC color. There's still the 50hz/60hz question, but I guarantee DFK won't run at 50hz

Since you don't have RGB TVs in the states, I'd say go component all the way, and get an RGB->component encoder for all those old school consoles.

[brentsg]

You want a CRT with component. The last wave of units manufactured before HDTVs arrived should have them. Mine does.

Oh I know that would be ideal, but what I have is working well enough for now and I'm not exactly itching to blow more money Also the scart in on PVM is just as good as component.


So is there anywhere reliable for US customers to purchase with preorders available? I was planning on buying from NCSX, and may yet, but I'm slightly annoyed that they're selling it for 65 after looking at the current exchange rate...

Retail would be about $50 straight across. They are probably paying retail or close to, since they don't do any significant import volume from Europe. The bank ALWAYS profits on the currency conversion. They have to ship from Europe, and they are going to make a profit. It doesn't seem like $65 is unreasonable.

[bcass]

As has already been mentioned, if you're patient for a couple of weeks, it'll be sub-£15 from most places. About a month after the Deathsmiles EU release it was down to £10 at some places, that included p&p (within the UK).

[KNekoSpy]

As has already been mentioned, if you're patient for a couple of weeks, it'll be sub-£15 from most places. About a month after the Deathsmiles EU release it was down to £10 at some places, that included p&p (within the UK).

My only concern is they don't ship a lot of copies and we have to wait...

[Deca]

You want a CRT with component. The last wave of units manufactured before HDTVs arrived should have them. Mine does.

Oh I know that would be ideal, but what I have is working well enough for now and I'm not exactly itching to blow more money Also the scart in on PVM is just as good as component.


So is there anywhere reliable for US customers to purchase with preorders available? I was planning on buying from NCSX, and may yet, but I'm slightly annoyed that they're selling it for 65 after looking at the current exchange rate...

Retail would be about $50 straight across. They are probably paying retail or close to, since they don't do any significant import volume from Europe. The bank ALWAYS profits on the currency conversion. They have to ship from Europe, and they are going to make a profit. It doesn't seem like $65 is unreasonable.

All true, and 65 is about half what I paid for PS/MMP...Probably worth it to save the hassle of going through a euro retailer and hoping it doesn't end up on the bottom of the ocean somehow And I get to feel good about supporting an American company or whatever.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

[hoping it doesn't end up on the bottom of the ocean somehow

Im sure the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans are full of Japanese U-boats looking to sink any gaijin cargoships laden with DFK

[Deca]

[hoping it doesn't end up on the bottom of the ocean somehow

Im sure the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans are full of Japanese U-boats looking to sink any gaijin cargoships laden with DFK

U-boats and destroyers and aircraft carriers and Z'Goks and Zocks and Grabros, shit's tough out there man!

[PC Engine Fan X!]

I don't think he needs the link to NCS if he knows how much they're charging for the preorder.

More proof that PCEFX! is either under the influence or a bot. I've always said...

A bot can't give out such factoids regarding such subject matter like the old classic arcade games from the Golden era of arcade games 1980s or even the Silver era that hails from the 1990s. There's a real person behind the PCE-FX! moniker and I don't resort to using Wikipedia as all that useless arcade trivia is up in my noggin alrighty...I'm a grizzled arcade game veteran from the early 1980s, mind you. Better yet, come on down to a California Extreme show and meet PCE-FX! in person. I'll be glad to talk about some arcade/console shmups with you, RNGmaster. You'll be surprised.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[StarCreator]

More proof that PCEFX! is either under the influence or a bot. I've always said...

A bot can't give out such factoids regarding such subject matter like the old classic arcade games from the Golden era of arcade games 1980s or even the Silver era that hails from the 1990s. There's a real person behind the PCE-FX! moniker and I don't resort to using Wikipedia as all that useless arcade trivia is up in my noggin alrighty. Better yet, come on down to a California Extreme show and meet PCE-FX! in person. I'll be glad to talk about some arcade/console shmups with you, RNGmaster. You'll be surprised.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

... I couldn't help but notice he didn't dispute the "under the influence" charge... =p