Let's talk ... about getting me RGB

[shmuppyLove]

So this is something I've been wondering about for a while now, and though I'm sure the information is there somewhere I haven't yet been able to piece it together in my addled brain.

I have a Toshiba 27A34 27" CRT from a few years ago:
http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.grp?l ... category=#

It has a component video input (YPbPr) that is mainly used with a DVD player, and sometimes my PS2, for a very nice 480i picture, noticeably better than even s-video.

I also have a couple of older consoles - SNES, Dreamcast and Gamecube - and I'd love to figure out how to go from RGB output on one of these to the component input on my TV, if it's possible?

[Elixir]

Concerning SNES, you could buy the Virtual Console versions and use the Wii's backwards compatibility to play your Gamecube stuff with. Since SNES and Gamecube games are all 480i, it isn't going to look any different. There's official Wii component cables out there, I'm using some myself.

There's official component cables for Gamecube, but good luck trying to track those down below $90.

If you just want everything connected to component but only have one component input, I've been in a similar situation. The solution was to use something like a muti component adapter, such as this:



This basically allows you to connect three different component cables and has one component out (to your tv's single component), and has a switch that allows you to toggle between the three signals. I actually have one of these, but never use it, since I've made the switch to HD and only use my Wii through my older CRT's single component connection. Hell, I'll sell you mind for $10 if you'd like.

[antron]

scart to component transcoder/converter $50

google:
http://www.google.com/#q=scart+to+compo ... 80&bih=937

ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=sca ... m270.l1313

Then get scart cables for your consoles. quality there can greatly vary.

[evil_ash_xero]

I would NOT recommend the ones linked to Ebay. I got one, and it looks like S-Video. Cheap.

You should get a CSY-2100. Good quality, but kind of high price. You might be able to get a used one in the trading station. I found some new ones, once, on Ebay UK. Which makes sense, since they're European.

However, if you DO want the cheap ones from the link, i'll sell you mine, for half the price!

It should be noted that these do not have sound out. You'll have to get custom cables. There are some on Ebay...BUT, they aren't shielded, making all kinds of problems. If you want custom cables, PM me, as I know a guy on the board here, who does great work.

[Zapf]

Do you have actual comparison shots or something else to back that up, because it was my understanding that the ebay rgb scart to component transcoders were just the csy 2100 with a different name. They share the exact same design, and I did notice a difference between s-video and the component output I got from the device (it was even close to my kramer fc 14 when I had one)

[antron]

It should be noted that these do not have sound out. You'll have to get custom cables.

or this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=s ... ss+through

[evil_ash_xero]

Do you have actual comparison shots or something else to back that up, because it was my understanding that the ebay rgb scart to component transcoders were just the csy 2100 with a different name. They share the exact same design, and I did notice a difference between s-video and the component output I got from the device (it was even close to my kramer fc 14 when I had one)

Well, I went ahead and took a couple of pics. Top is Generic, bottom is CYS. And this was just swapping boxes, and starting the game over. No fiddling with tint, color, or anything like that.

The image isn't really showing properly, in these photos. I have no experience in taking TV pictures. However, as you can see, with the CYS, the whites are whiter, the picture is brighter. The colors look more vibrant. Notice the pants on Axel, and the whites on the crates in the background. The knock off brand, things have a bit of a yellow/green tint, and look a little dingier. Like I said, these pictures really don't do it justice. It does look better than I remember though. Definitely better than S-Video.

But if it looks good to you: I'll sell you mine, half price. I'm totally serious. I don't have a power supply for it, though.

[ikaruga007]

SNES games are 240p, not 480i. I would not recommend playing them on virtual console if you're after the best experience. They don't look, sound or feel right due to image scaling, sound emulation, input lag etc. If you own a SNES already, you will probably notice the difference. I can't stand it but try it out and see if it matters to you.

A good SCART to component transcoder is your best bet, but I don't know how the degradation of a converter would compare to S-video. The SNES has great RGB output so it might be worth it.

For gamecube games, a straight component cable is the best but as pointed out, the original fetches quite a high price these days. Playing gamecube games on the Wii is a viable alternative but the Wii doesn't output a quite as nice component image as the Gamecube unfortunately.

[Zapf]

Do you have actual comparison shots or something else to back that up, because it was my understanding that the ebay rgb scart to component transcoders were just the csy 2100 with a different name. They share the exact same design, and I did notice a difference between s-video and the component output I got from the device (it was even close to my kramer fc 14 when I had one)

Well, I went ahead and took a couple of pics. Top is Generic, bottom is CYS. And this was just swapping boxes, and starting the game over. No fiddling with tint, color, or anything like that.

The image isn't really showing properly, in these photos. I have no experience in taking TV pictures. However, as you can see, with the CYS, the whites are whiter, the picture is brighter. The colors look more vibrant. Notice the pants on Axel, and the whites on the crates in the background. The knock off brand, things have a bit of a yellow/green tint, and look a little dingier. Like I said, these pictures really don't do it justice. It does look better than I remember though. Definitely better than S-Video.

But if it looks good to you: I'll sell you mine, half price. I'm totally serious. I don't have a power supply for it, though.

I personally had to adjust one of the color pots before using my generic rgb scart -> component transcoder. Maybe thats causing the tint issue.

[Zapf]

SNES games are 240p, not 480i. I would not recommend playing them on virtual console if you're after the best experience. They don't look, sound or feel right due to image scaling, .

Just a little nitpick, most games (at least w/ the nes, maybe the sms) that are on vc are displayed in 240p when the wii is set to non-progressive, if that is what the original game was displayed in. N64 is a little different because they have been altered to be rendered at a higher resolution.

[PC Engine Fan X!]

SNES games are 240p, not 480i. I would not recommend playing them on virtual console if you're after the best experience. They don't look, sound or feel right due to image scaling, sound emulation, input lag etc. If you own a SNES already, you will probably notice the difference. I can't stand it but try it out and see if it matters to you.

A good SCART to component transcoder is your best bet, but I don't know how the degradation of a converter would compare to S-video. The SNES has great RGB output so it might be worth it.

For gamecube games, a straight component cable is the best but as pointed out, the original fetches quite a high price these days. Playing gamecube games on the Wii is a viable alternative but the Wii doesn't output a quite as nice component image as the Gamecube unfortunately.

Playing the progressive scan 480p GCN games look quite stunning when using a modded Japnese GCN D-Terminal to VGA cable setup (or by using a modded GCN component to VGA mod hack works equally well also).

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[evil_ash_xero]

Honestly, I think the Virtual Console games look great. They're not quite as responsive, but it's good enough for most folks.
There are a few, that have filters applied, or are too dark..but for the most part, they look nice.

Get a Wii soft modded, and then run the games from an emulator, and they'll all look great!

I personally had to adjust one of the color pots before using my generic rgb scart -> component transcoder. Maybe thats causing the tint issue.

It's more than just tint...it's just fuzzier. I just can't get it to look right. I prefer the CSY. It's a good box!