Which of the Touhou Games is the Best in the Series?

[Aconcit]

Guwange also recycled background music.

I like Touhou music but I can't say it's better than Cave's music. I think composers such as Manabu Namiki make better music than ZUN, or at least I think so. ZUN's music can be over dramatic and songs can sound too similar throughout the series. I also think Cave is more deserving of doujin circles arranging their work than Touhou.

As for the topic title I prefer 6,7,and 8.

[ratikal]

ZUN's music is cool, but no one brings the intense rush that Namiki's themes have. Black Heart MK2 is one of my favorite boss fights just cause of the theme.

[Bananamatic]

best touhou shmup game is phantasm romance

I wish I was joking

[Treasurance]

best touhou shmup game is phantasm romance

I wish I was joking

shit, haven't played that
I'm sure I'm missing a lot

[dunpeal2064]

Talk about repetitive, you fight a fucking little girl constantly. Not in just one game either. To compare that, you'd have to show me several Cave games that not only used 20 second loops, but the SAME 20 second loop of music for 13 fucking games!

Honestly your reply isn't that much better, dude.

Looking at it now, yeah, you are right. Didn't mean to sound like a biatch, I just very much dislike blanket statements that don't have a lot of footing, and for some reason a lot of them are made about Cave games. I suppose their success has brought on some silly criticism.

Apologies for coming off like a dick though, I meant no offense

[Narroo]

My point was, was that someone claimed that having only a few sprites for enemies was lazy, and I figured I'd point out the same thing is typical of cave and their music.

You should probably accept your game's flaws instead of going on the offensive every time someone mentions something bad about it. Being a fanboy is kinda sad.

...You people came into a thread asking about which game is the best in the series, and then proceeded to try to rip it, and anyone that said anything positive about it, for no reason other than the fact that you don't like it! What if you guys were talking about how you like scoring in Keitsu, and some guys come in and start saying that the game sucks and calling everyone who tries to give counter arguments idiots?! Are you trying to troll, or do you really not realize what you are doing? If you come into a thread dedicated in a positive fashion to ANYTHING, and then be as negative as you possibly can, you should expect people to attempt to counter you're arguments. If some of those arguments point out what they think are similar flaws in something you like, suck it up. All because they disagree with you doesn't make them a crazy fanboy that hasn't played, watched, listened to, read whatever you like.
Yes, I like Touhou games better than CAVE games. Does that make me an idiot? Wait, don't answer that, someone going to say yes.
Did I ever deny the flaws of Touhou? No, I'm sure I said that the lack of sprites was a legitimate point, but then listed why I'm fine with it, and then drew a comparison to CAVE games to try and show that it might not actually be that lazy.
Someone then says that I shouldn't generalize that much, and so I agree, admitting might view of their music might be a bit due to personal preference and I might have overreached a bit, thinking other people would have a similar opinion to mine.

That is not being a stupid, crazy, fanboy. Granted I am now an annoyed fan. Things like people picking on what others like and insulting them for it infuriates me! ...Speaking of which...Shouldn't the mods be preventing negative thread hijacks like this?

[Chaos Phoenixma]

best touhou shmup game is phantasm romance

I wish I was joking

Phantasmagoria Trues is supposed to be better than it, but I haven't played it to compare.

But there was so much cheapshot stuff in Phantasm Romance that I couldn't stand the game.


Phantasm Romance is still more fun than UFO, even if I'll never bother to 1cc it with the Extras. But I find all the official shmups to be better games than the fangame mentioned. Except PCB and UFO.

[Narroo]

best touhou shmup game is phantasm romance

I wish I was joking

Phantasmagoria Trues is supposed to be better than it, but I haven't played it to compare.

But there was so much cheapshot stuff in Phantasm Romance that I couldn't stand the game.


Phantasm Romance is still more fun than UFO, even if I'll never bother to 1cc it with the Extras. But I find all the official shmups to be better games than the fangame mentioned. Except PCB and UFO.

Are there any fangames worth checking out?

[Bananamatic]

Resurrection of Heaven's Liquor and Periphery of Power

both are fine zun danmaku loli shooting STG shmup games

[RNGmaster]

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Just a PSA here: Please watch videos of these before you decide on playing them. For the love of god, don't download them without knowing exactly what you're getting yourself into.

[Despatche]

most cave tracks are between 3 and 4 minutes long. Most zun tracks are around 2.

yay, this is a better topic than anything else in this thread

you definitely have this backwards. cave tracks being 3~4 minutes long is usually for special things like ports and remixes, whereas zun has no problem doing this all the time, notably for god damn boss themes which cave composers would rather avoid

go ahead, I want to learn something: go find all the times for all of zun's work (all of it), then go find all the times for all of cave's shooters (all of them)--or at least as much as you can--then come back and tell me all about it

[RNGmaster]

I liked the part where Narroo said skilled Touhou players don't spend hundreds of hours practicing scoring.
BTW Treasurance: Answer my PM, you asshole.

[Barrakketh]

I liked the part where Narroo said skilled Touhou players don't spend hundreds of hours practicing scoring.

I bet HS参謀 would rather not remember how many hours he has sunk into PCB over the years.

[MathU]

The best Touhou is easily Kiwami Shooting.

[Vamos]

My point was, was that someone claimed that having only a few sprites for enemies was lazy, and I figured I'd point out the same thing is typical of cave and their music.

You should probably accept your game's flaws instead of going on the offensive every time someone mentions something bad about it. Being a fanboy is kinda sad.

...You people came into a thread asking about which game is the best in the series, and then proceeded to try to rip it, and anyone that said anything positive about it, for no reason other than the fact that you don't like it! What if you guys were talking about how you like scoring in Keitsu, and some guys come in and start saying that the game sucks and calling everyone who tries to give counter arguments idiots?! Are you trying to troll, or do you really not realize what you are doing? If you come into a thread dedicated in a positive fashion to ANYTHING, and then be as negative as you possibly can, you should expect people to attempt to counter you're arguments. If some of those arguments point out what they think are similar flaws in something you like, suck it up. All because they disagree with you doesn't make them a crazy fanboy that hasn't played, watched, listened to, read whatever you like.
Yes, I like Touhou games better than CAVE games. Does that make me an idiot? Wait, don't answer that, someone going to say yes.
Did I ever deny the flaws of Touhou? No, I'm sure I said that the lack of sprites was a legitimate point, but then listed why I'm fine with it, and then drew a comparison to CAVE games to try and show that it might not actually be that lazy.
Someone then says that I shouldn't generalize that much, and so I agree, admitting might view of their music might be a bit due to personal preference and I might have overreached a bit, thinking other people would have a similar opinion to mine.

That is not being a stupid, crazy, fanboy. Granted I am now an annoyed fan. Things like people picking on what others like and insulting them for it infuriates me! ...Speaking of which...Shouldn't the mods be preventing negative thread hijacks like this?

You signed up to this site solely to defend your love for touhou , what else needs to be said?

[Barrakketh]

The best Touhou is easily Uwabami Breakers.

Fixed.

[BPzeBanshee]

The best Touhou is easily Kiwami Shooting.

[Treasurance]

Let's not forget this one

[NzzpNzzp]

...You people came into a thread asking about which game is the best in the series, and then proceeded to try to rip it, and anyone that said anything positive about it, for no reason other than the fact that you don't like it! What if you guys were talking about how you like scoring in Keitsu, and some guys come in and start saying that the game sucks and calling everyone who tries to give counter arguments idiots?!

I'd probably be amused and take the opportunity to complain about Trafalgar.
I wouldn't get mad and try to fight back by saying their games suck too.

It's just a game, dude. If someone doesn't like it, for whatever reason, oh well. No need to be annoyed.

[Drake]

...You people came into a thread asking about which game is the best in the series, and then proceeded to try to rip it, and anyone that said anything positive about it, for no reason other than the fact that you don't like it!

Any thread mentioning Touhou is going to have it criticized because of its overwhelming popularity, terrible fanwankers and general differences from most shmups. Oh no these people aren't necessarily obsessed with the games and have valid criticisms against it. Boo hoo. If it's a post that is obviously just thrown out as thoughtless hate then why even reply to it?

What if you guys were talking about how you like scoring in Keitsu, and some guys come in and start saying that the game sucks and calling everyone who tries to give counter arguments idiots?!

Main problem here is that 1) nobody would actually care and 2) you were called an idiot because of your counter-arguments which were ridiculous, not because you had an argument.

If you come into a thread dedicated in a positive fashion to ANYTHING, and then be as negative as you possibly can, you should expect people to attempt to counter you're arguments. If some of those arguments point out what they think are similar flaws in something you like, suck it up. All because they disagree with you doesn't make them a crazy fanboy that hasn't played, watched, listened to, read whatever you like.

Goes both ways. If you come into a thread basically to argue against said people, you should expect those people to reply in kind. Especially if your arguments aren't very good. You suck it up. Or y'know, argue back with a point that doesn't make you sound like a crazy fanboy.

Did I ever deny the flaws of Touhou? No, I'm sure I said that the lack of sprites was a legitimate point, but then listed why I'm fine with it, and then drew a comparison to CAVE games to try and show that it might not actually be that lazy.
Someone then says that I shouldn't generalize that much, and so I agree, admitting might view of their music might be a bit due to personal preference and I might have overreached a bit, thinking other people would have a similar opinion to mine.

Ok, but your comparison wasn't really valid in the first place so it's pretty irrelevant. Listing U.N. Owen as your favorite song wasn't a smart move either.

That is not being a stupid, crazy, fanboy. Granted I am now an annoyed fan. Things like people picking on what others like and insulting them for it infuriates me! ...Speaking of which...Shouldn't the mods be preventing negative thread hijacks like this?

This kind of reply is what makes people make fun of you even further. This isn't a thread hijack, just the natural path of pretty much any Touhou thread ever.

[shadowbringer]

Phantasmagoria Trues is supposed to be better than it, but I haven't played it to compare.

But there was so much cheapshot stuff in Phantasm Romance that I couldn't stand the game.


Phantasm Romance is still more fun than UFO, even if I'll never bother to 1cc it with the Extras. But I find all the official shmups to be better games than the fangame mentioned. Except PCB and UFO.

I prefer Phantasmagoria Trues atm (due to the gameplay, but I still like Phantasm Romance's stages and attack patterns, or at least the latter ones), the only reason I don't add a (probably deserted, like Phantasm Romance's) scoreboard for it, is due to the game not looking completed right now (there may be some missing extra stages, we only got to see the first extra stage on nico).

I'd like to ask, what kinds of cheapshot stuff? I don't have problems with memorizing things in this game, because there's really few places which overreward memorization (and you have no collision against enemies, and an increased counterbomb time, plus lots of lives and bombs, though dying or bombing too much will make you not get the extra stages), and I feel comfortable with this game, yet really uncomfortable in games such as EoSD (plus, unfriendly bullet hitboxes, etc.), perhaps due to less emphasis on grazing on the former. (unless on stage EX3, I guess, and even so, you don't have to memorize enemy placement beforehand)

[knackerjack]

Do you honestly think without the popularity of Touhou blazing the way for indie shmups that anyone would have attempted to create Crimzon Clover, Samidare, or Hellsinker?

This is the most retarded statement I've read tonight. Ruminant's whimper was cranking out games before Touhou even hit it big. Radio Zonde, which has most of the design qualities of Hellsinker, came out in 2002.

Crimson Clover isn't influenced by Touhou. AT. ALL. Its style has roots that go all the way back to the earliest STGs.

(I've probably been trolled)

[Zengeku3]

What if you guys were talking about how you like scoring in Keitsu, and some guys come in and start saying that the game sucks and calling everyone who tries to give counter arguments idiots?!

I'd probably keep discussing with them. Most Touhou fans that would say something like that have nonexistant danmaku skills anyway so I'll just label that as the reason why they don't like Ketsui. Depends on what kind of arguing they bring of course.

Yes, I like Touhou games better than CAVE games. Does that make me an idiot? Wait, don't answer that, someone going to say yes.

And those would be the crazy cave-fanboys. The rest of us would just say no.

That is not being a stupid, crazy, fanboy. Granted I am now an annoyed fan. Things like people picking on what others like and insulting them for it infuriates me!

I was pretty much like you once. Then I realized that Touhou wasn't some holy thing to be worshipped. The games aren't bad, no i still play them from time to time today but getting so annoyed by people trashing the games really just make you look like a person who's more into the characters than the games themselves.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

My point was, was that someone claimed that having only a few sprites for enemies was lazy, and I figured I'd point out the same thing is typical of cave and their music.

(im a little late to the party here) But the criticism about ZUN reusing non boss sprites is true, it isnt some half baked dig a Cave fanboy came up with. Maybe if more of you Touhou fans took in the games failings and ZUN might become aware of this and spent extra time on the graphics to bring them up to the same standard as his music and characters.

When I gave up trolling Touhou fans and actually spent a good chunk of time playing IN I actually had a pritty good time despite its flaws. I wouldnt mind spending some time with another of the games but since ive got an ever increasing list of other STGs that I want to try out (most of which are of a higher quality than Touhou) It might be a while before I get around to it. To cut it short what ZUNs games are missing is the wow factor.

[Bananamatic]

fun until you get to lunatic

hard is too easy and lunatic is lol memorization

[linko9]

I really like EoSD, probably my personal favorite, but objectively PCB is probably the best.

[Naut]

fun until you get to lunatic

hard is too easy and lunatic is lol memorization

you only memorize stuff if it's too hard for you to dodge normally

[ncp]

more like you memorize stuff if you want to get anywhere in any shooter on any difficulty

[shadowbringer]

every game is Dimahoo.

now you'll wake up in 10
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8
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you only memorize stuff if it's too hard for you to dodge normally

maybe my problem is (more about) bad bullet hitbox memorization then? (seeing them as larger than they actually are, and thus limiting my options more than really needed)

but still, if I were to play the TH games for score, I would definitely have to memorize more (and getting told to watch replays rather than having somewhere to read about the most optimal strategies other players use don't help me understand what the players wanted to do, thus I can't work with the gameplay system as much and have equally as much fun with it)

[Treasurance]

fun until you get to lunatic

hard is too easy and lunatic is lol memorization

dunno about the memorization, but it just isn't fun

though Danmakufu boss scripts that can be actually fun to play, touhou works best in that form