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GaijinPunch wrote:What happens when a Republican is back in the white house and once to take a shit on the Democratic party, which will most likely happen.
That's the weirdest transposition of the word 'wants' I've ever seen. :|
I think he must be dictating his posts to a lackey.

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That's the weirdest transposition of the word 'wants' I've ever seen. :|
Yep...total shit. I deserve to be lambasted for that one... so much that I'm going to leave it up. However, my fuck ups go up exponentially when I make posts from work (like I'm doing now).
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GaijinPunch wrote:
That's the weirdest transposition of the word 'wants' I've ever seen. :|
Yep...total shit. I deserve to be lambasted for that one... so much that I'm going to leave it up. However, my fuck ups go up exponentially when I make posts from work (like I'm doing now).
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Drum wrote: Your only real fuck up was breaking the illusion that you dictate your posts.
Why would anybody be disillusioned as such?
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Bad jokes signify end of thread. :o
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Skykid wrote:Bad jokes signify end of thread. :o
Who's joking?
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GaijinPunch wrote:
Skykid wrote:Bad jokes signify end of thread. :o
Who's joking?
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ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH

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Skykid wrote: Drum (unless you really think he thinks you dictate your forum posts.)
I only dictate other peoples' posts.
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Skykid wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:What happens when a Republican is back in the white house and once to take a shit on the Democratic party, which will most likely happen.
That's the weirdest transposition of the word 'wants' I've ever seen. :|
yeah. I read it like five times and was trying to figure out if he actually meant "wants" or if I just wasn't getting what he was talking about.

I think GP's been living in Japan too long...
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burgerkingdiamond wrote: I think GP's been living in Japan too long...
When I dress up like Cloud every Sunday and go to Harajuku, you have permission to sodomize me w/ a broom. Until then, I'll try to post less when I drink and/or work... definitely not when I do both.
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GaijinPunch wrote:Until then, I'll try to post less when I drink and/or work
I suppose we won't be hearing much from you until you beat your alcoholism then.

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Oh God, I hate to be the person to bring back this thread, but of those of you who posted here (in the past), how many of you have seen the documentary 'The power of nightmares' by Adam Curtis?
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how many of you have seen the documentary 'The power of nightmares' by Adam Curtis?
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CMoon wrote:Oh God, I hate to be the person to bring back this thread, but of those of you who posted here (in the past), how many of you have seen the documentary 'The power of nightmares' by Adam Curtis?
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CMoon wrote:Oh God, I hate to be the person to bring back this thread, but of those of you who posted here (in the past), how many of you have seen the documentary 'The power of nightmares' by Adam Curtis?
Nope, but the Nation had a pretty critical assessment of it.

http://www.thenation.com/article/beware-holy-war
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I agree with the review that Al Qaeda is some sort of imaginary force. Back in the day you had to march down your capitals Mall with nuclear missiles to have anyone scared at you. Al Q is just a name touted about, a ghost or phantom army that terrorize your mind rather than your country. America has always been imperial minded (from the top anyway), even though they deny it time and again.

America is window shopping for wars in poor people countries that have a wealth of resources under their feet. If they tell you Al Q is there, it gives the country a great incentive, when in fact they are just shooting at locals who don't like the USA presence.

I still think USA is digging a hole for itself. My ex sister in law just bought a 4x4 that gets 15mpg tops. I hate to say it but I think thats a dumb purchase. In this day and age where oil is the cause of wars and you get people buying the most ridiculously over grown vehicle to scoot a 2 year old in to the babysitters.
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Skykid wrote:
CMoon wrote:Oh God, I hate to be the person to bring back this thread, but of those of you who posted here (in the past), how many of you have seen the documentary 'The power of nightmares' by Adam Curtis?
No, any good?
I'm dl'ing it right now.
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I'd say it's a little on the long side. It's 3 hours, but one hour could have been cut from it. A lot of recapitulation without a huge pay off. By the time you've watched the US side with rebels in Afghanistan to fight the perceived (but mostly phantom) threat of the soviet union, you've more or less pieced together what's so fucked up about US international policy. The documentary is about two ideological groups who by and large fail--namely the neocons and the islamic extremist movement. What's interesting in the documentary is how the general perception of these groups is for the most part wrong, and the history surrounding what these groups have done is also perceived incorrectly.

Having just seen it, I thought it was worth bringing up in this thread because at the end of the film, killing Osama seemed like such a small thing. Osama doesn't appear to have had any real importance (ever) besides funding some of these activities, and it seems his own, actual circle of people (of whom he wasn't the leader) have either been inactive or scattered. As said above, the idea of an Al Qaeda network run by Osama was a myth created by America. Killing Osama doesn't destroy that myth; in fact it probably just martyrs him to any individual extremists who still might feel inspired by 9/11.
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CMoon wrote:As said above, the idea of an Al Qaeda network run by Osama was a myth created by America.
The sad thing is, many people living outside of the US have known that for ages. Like I mentioned already, he's a patsy, a figurehead of hate created to support a war. His importance, dead or alive, doesn't really extend beyond that.

As you said: a myth. With these things in mind perhaps you'll consider some of the blatantly manufactured evidence surrounding OBL's life and death to have less credibility.

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CMoon wrote:As said above, the idea of an Al Qaeda network run by Osama was a myth created by America.
The sad thing is, many people living outside of the US have known that for ages.
I just finished reading the review in The Nation, and *cough* there may be evidence that Al Qaeda did exist, but even if this is so, it is once again, largely exaggerated. Well, it isn't like everyone is going to come together and suddenly believe in this one version of truth, but the documentary is nice in exposing how little evidence (if any) somehow got processed into our war on terror.

It would be nice to see this documentary get some exposure in the US, but I can just imagine the shitstorm that would ensue.
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CMoon wrote: It would be nice to see this documentary get some exposure in the US, but I can just imagine the shitstorm that would ensue.
According to Wikipedia there already was a shitstorm over it. But what would you expect? You force feed a nation a war on terror scenario for ten years and then someone turns up trying to cripple the beliefs of an extremely patriotic nation. That will never float. It would get ignored before being able to provoke a reaction.

Interestingly such documentaries can be broadcast over here and hardly anyone bats an eyelid. It's like "Whatever, tell us something new." There's a largely sceptical view of the 'war on terror' in Europe. People just don't buy it so readily.
CMoon wrote:I just finished reading the review in The Nation, and *cough* there may be evidence that Al Qaeda did exist
Oh they definitely exist, it's just that...
CMoon wrote:largely exaggerated.
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The issue isn't just al Qaeda; the threat of terrorism in general is vastly exaggerated. For starters, 9/11 was a huge outlier, but the debate rages as though it were a representative example. Even accepting that, an American is far more likely to be killed by a traffic accident or preventable illness than by a terrorist attack. However, there are no countries to invade and nobody to be shot in the face to make us feel like we've struck back against those.
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Ex-Cyber wrote:However, there are no countries to invade and nobody to be shot in the face to make us feel like we've struck back against those.
There are, but money is an issue all of a sudden.
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Ex-Cyber wrote:Even accepting that, an American is far more likely to be killed by a traffic accident or preventable illness than by a terrorist attack. However, there are no countries to invade and nobody to be shot in the face to make us feel like we've struck back against those.
There are definitely people one could "go after" (not militarily, of course) to help alleviate these problems, but unfortunately they've been running what passes for the national discourse here for decades or more.
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One of the things that came out of watching 'Power of Nightmares' wasn't that none of these ideas like al Qaeda or the Soviets sponsoring terror was necessarily false, but that in most cases, the evidence appears to be so flimsy that few would support tossing billions of dollars at it (and hundreds of thousands of lives.) I would of course love to see the transparency that Obama promised, but we're never going to see that in government, because if we could, we'd never be agreeable to any of these wars/military operations. Here's where I think the article I read (The Nation) missed the mark. It isn't whether these organizations do or do not exist. It is the evidence we have for their supposed operations. Evidence that is minimal or even non-existent.

I never understood how Bush got 4 more years or why 'where's the WMD?' never became a tag line that fundamentally changed the way US politics operate.
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My take on the whole terrorism thing is that it is and always has been a very real danger. However, to people in the continental US, not so much, mainly due to geography, spreading out of the population, etc. 9/11 changed all that. Whether or not Al Qaeda was a well orchestrated network of terrorists cells or not is beside the point really. There were terrorists... they were well-funded and well armed. They committed terrorist acts and planned to commit more. Slapping a name on them made it not only more real (and subsequently further justifies action against them) but it makes it easier for John Q. Taxpayer to understand.

With hind sight, it was definitely a wake up call. The sad thing is, a large entity isn't going to reform until a disaster scenario happens. To put it into geek terms, do you think Sony would've beefed up their security had it not been ravaged 2 months ago?
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CMoon wrote:I would of course love to see the transparency that Obama promised, but we're never going to see that in government, because if we could, we'd never be agreeable to any of these wars/military operations.
Seeing as Barry explicitly said he wasn't going to investigate ANY of the Bush administration's dirty laundry (the first thing I note in response to anyone who insists that Obama is the "most radical white-hating Socialist anti-colonial President ever"), not to mention recently reauthorized the Patriot Act, I'm not sure why anybody would be expecting much from him in this area.
I never understood how Bush got 4 more years or why 'where's the WMD?' never became a tag line that fundamentally changed the way US politics operate.
Fear (and untold billions of potential dollars in wartime windfall) trumps reason a lot more easily than it should.
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