Neo Geo -> XRGB3 -> EDGE -> Plasma 50"

[Capoz]

Hi to all

I've read many times here and in other place that the best way for old console it's to use XRGB3 with DVDO edge

But nowhere I've founded the settings!

This is my configuration:

NEO GEO AES rgb Bypass and LM1881 on SYNC (without it I have no picture in B1 mode) connected to XRGB by Scart RGB and an adapter scart to JAP scart

Then with a VGA-RGBHV cable I plug into the EDGE

What I don't know it's the resolution that I have to set in the XRGB, and the Output resolution of EDGE to set

I think that now I have a Sync problem because the image on screen it's wavy

On the XRGB I have this settings

AFC 3 (with 2 or 4 or 5 image rolling on the screen and unstable)

LPF disable

Sharpness 0

scanlines active

Please help me!


I try to put some photos

[fagin]

B1 mode is linedoubling mode so 480p from the xrgb. Set the output res of the EDGE to match your native res on your tv. Sorted and you can use the scanline feature of your xrgb as well.

[Fudoh]

I think that now I have a Sync problem because the image on screen it's wavy

the problem might be your RGB "bypass" mod.

Usually you don't need a LM1881 to run the NG on the XRGB. It especially shouldn't black out when fed with pure RGB.
Also the AFC setting shouldn't be so tricky on the AES.

Do you have a NG revision which outputs both composite video and pure sync on the AV output ? If yes, I would just try the other signal (composite if you use sync now, sync if you use composite right now).

[Capoz]

B1 mode is linedoubling mode so 480p from the xrgb. Set the output res of the EDGE to match your native res on your tv. Sorted and you can use the scanline feature of your xrgb as well.

Thank You Fagin

I forgot one thing, the EDGE goes inside an ONKYO amplifier

Now I attached edge directly to plasma, I can set 720p, 1080p

it's a Samsung C530 50" full hd

But I still have this sync problem, nobody have resolved this issue? I Know that Neogeo outpu is 59.18hz, there isn't a way to modify it at 59.97hz like normal ntsc?

If I wrote something stupid tell me

[Capoz]

I think that now I have a Sync problem because the image on screen it's wavy

the problem might be your RGB "bypass" mod.

Usually you don't need a LM1881 to run the NG on the XRGB. It especially shouldn't black out when fed with pure RGB.
Also the AFC setting shouldn't be so tricky on the AES.

Do you have a NG revision which outputs both composite video and pure sync on the AV output ? If yes, I would just try the other signal (composite if you use sync now, sync if you use composite right now).

No my is a 3-6 version that have the same signal

I can try to put a 470uf capacitor on sync or not?

[Fudoh]

But I still have this sync problem, nobody have resolved this issue? I Know that Neogeo outpu is 59.18hz, there isn't a way to modify it at 59.97hz like normal ntsc?

the MVS outputs at 59.1xHz, the AES runs faster and outputs pretty close to NTSC specs.

And after all, that's the Edge does for you already. Once you unlock the output, the signal gets converted to 59.94Hz.

[Capoz]

But I still have this sync problem, nobody have resolved this issue? I Know that Neogeo outpu is 59.18hz, there isn't a way to modify it at 59.97hz like normal ntsc?

the MVS outputs at 59.1xHz, the AES runs faster and outputs pretty close to NTSC specs.

And after all, that's the Edge does for you already. Once you unlock the output, the signal gets converted to 59.94Hz.

OK and what do you think I can resolve?

If I rebuild the rgb bypass only for sync?

[fagin]

Forgetting the use of the EDGE, do you not get any picture with the xrgb with a straight RGB lead from the AES?

[Capoz]

Forgetting the use of the EDGE, do you not get any picture with the xrgb with a straight RGB lead from the AES?

You mean If I attach directly XRGB to tv with VGA? yes I see image but shacking, like with the EDGE

If I attach xrgb only to onkyo amplifier (TX-SR608) black screen

[fagin]

Forgetting the use of the EDGE, do you not get any picture with the xrgb with a straight RGB lead from the AES?

You mean If I attach directly XRGB to tv with VGA? yes I see image but shacking, like with the EDGE

If I attach xrgb only to onkyo amplifier (TX-SR608) black screen

Just to confirm... this is connected direct from the AES to XRGB via a RGB SCART Lead with no sync splitter etc? I can't understand why you would need a sync splitter, as mine works fine with a direct RGB SCART connection. Has your AES got a serial number higher than 85000 perchance?

Whilst using this (assumed) connection method I can believe the "shaky" sync, if you then fed the XRGB to the EDGE and then to the TV (not through the amp), you should get a much more stable picture (only just noticing the shake).

[Capoz]

Yes is connected with an RGB cable then to a scart JAP adapter that goes in GAME IN port of the XRGB3

serial number very high 163417

Yesterday before I've installed the LM1881 I didnt't see anything in B1 mode

after installed I see it

Now I try to left it

with edge only or edge + amply I have the same shaking

Tried now (xrgb to edge then tv)

with LM1881 shaky image

without it more more shake

[fagin]

Mmmm.... perhaps it's a NG RGB issue on those later models then, as the later ones did not have great "as is" video out's. Sorry as I have no experience of that revision of the NG.

[Fudoh]

serial number very high 163417
Yesterday before I've installed the LM1881 I didnt't see anything in B1 mode

nevertheless your NG has two video/sync output pins and they might behave differently with the XRGB, so I would suggest to try both - with and without the LM1881.

[Capoz]

same result with the composite sync out

[MKL]

same result with the composite sync out

Hi Aldo

The cable I made you has pin 7 of the DIN wired to pin 20 of the scart (the official RGB cable, which isn't scart though, also uses pin 7). Pin 7 is composite sync on the first three AES revisions while pin 3 is composite video but this difference is obliterated on the last two revisions where both pin 3 and 7 are composite video. Your system is like that.

What I suggest is to undo the RGB bypass mod which is not only superfluous once you do the RGB fix mod but also makes the RGB voltage levels higher than what home equipment expects.
Also, you should restore the composite sync on pin 7 of the DIN socket. The connection between pin 3 and 7 needs to be broken by removing a ferrite bead, then you solder a 470uF cap in series with a 75ohm resistors across pin 11 of the Sony encoder and pin 7 of the DIN socket.

[Capoz]

Ciao Michele!

thank you today I try it

I hope to solve it!

[BuckoA51]

Please do let us know if this works, I have held off buying any Neo Geo hardware since I know MVS doesn't work well with XRGB3->Edge->Display.

[Capoz]

NO

I've left the rgb bypass, same result

Tomorrow I make a Video to let you see the problem

[BuckoA51]

So you are now using pure sync from your Neo Geo AES and not the sync splitter and it still won't work? That is disappointing. It's a shame the XRGB3+DVDO Edge combination still struggles with some consoles.

[Capoz]

right

I'm using neo geo with the Csync from the sony encoder without LM1881

tomorrow I'll try to put xrgb directly to the vga port of my samsung 50" plasma, but if I remember I had the same result

I'm going crazy, tomorrow I'll make all the combination and write exact what's the result

Xselect D4 can help me?

I think that I've bought XRGB3 for nothing, better use DVDO edge with SLG3000

But if there is a way to have all the best with Xselect-D4 -> XRGB3 -> DVDO EDGE -> ONKYO -> TV I wanna try it!

Otherwise I use only DVDO EDGE and SLG3000 and sell the XRGB-3

[Capoz]

ok fisrt video

XRGB-3-> DVDO EDGE -> ONKYO - > TV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TohjYzxWAI

second video

XRGB-3 -> ONKYO -> TV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va18NVDpRps

Third video

XRGB-3 -> DVDO EDGE - TV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w_zBKs4B60


Did you see the wave?


If I plug xrgb-3 directly on tv the tv says resolution not supported (480p)

[BuckoA51]

That doesn't look like a typical XRGB3->Edge incompatibility. Can you try another power supply? I had a similar problem with my Super Famicom that was completely fixed by using a different PSU.

Btw I checked and your amp also includes an upscaler, I'd take it out of the chain if possible or at least make sure all upscaling/processing is set to off if it lets you do this, you don't want 3 scalers in your video chain!

[Capoz]

I try another power supply

after that I tell you what's happened

[Capoz]

Ok something it's changed

I've attached xrgb, dvdo edge, neogeo and TV on another source now the noise it's near invisible

but sometimes xrgb goes in black screen

[fagin]

Ok something it's changed

I've attached xrgb, dvdo edge, neogeo and TV on another source now the noise it's near invisible

but sometimes xrgb goes in black screen

Something has been lost in translation... what do you mean by "another source"?

[MKL]

I think he means another mains socket.

[Capoz]

I think he means another mains socket.

exact antoher power source

after some days of try I tried this configuration

NEOGEO component mod -> DVDO EDGE -> HDFURY -> SLG3000 -> TV

the only issue is the ringing effect of the EDGE, for this I prefer XRGB3 but it's very hard to find the perfect configuration

but this problem are only with NEOGEO?

[wildchild22]

Do you have frame lock turned off in the edge?

My samsung plasma do not like the snes with or without the xrgb-3 but my 2 lcds are fine with it. It is probably the samsung causing this. I thought something was up with my snes but it works on all displays except my samsung plasma I get image jumping. Like bad sync every few secs.

[Fudoh]

but this problem are only with NEOGEO?

an unmodded Mega Drive / Genesis gave me the same trouble on my setup. Changing from composite video to composite sync on the RGB signal, setting the XRGB zoom level to UNDERSCAN (the menu where usually set the PSP zoom) and switching LPF on solved this to 95%.

[Capoz]

Next days I try on another TV but it's unbeliavable.... after I purchased dvdo, xrgb3,hdfury, onkyo and all thr cablr I have to change TV!