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Well, thanks to professor ganson I found out my little TV is TATEable after all. So I spent the past 2-3 hours checking out shmupping in TATE for the first time. And I must apologize, for the longest time I figured TATE was just something you insane arcade-perfect perfectionist would ramble on about, but no, it really helped a lot in some games. Here's what I tried out:

Galactic Attack:
Wow... I mean... wow. I noticed things (or were they taken out of the other mode? Who knows) that I had never seen before. The graphics looked 100x more crisp, and the game was much less frustrating than it typically was when it was squished up. Also, a lot of the backgrounds looked WAAAAAAY better (thinking level 2 here), and I almost 1CC'd it though I hadn't played it in over a year (also stomped my old high score by a good bit! :shock: ) At this point, I was pretty much sold. I shall never again even think about this game in any other mode!

Shienryu:
Definitely a lot crisper and the bullet patterns were a lot easier to dodge. I didn't play any better than normal, but it did look better.

K. Tiger II Plus:
Didn't notice much of a difference. But then again, I never cared much for this game so I hadn't played it too much in the first place. Still don't really like it.

DonPachi:
Only noticed a slight difference, but then again I never play this game either as I feel its absolute rubbish. Bleh.

Batsugun:
Bullets and ships are smaller (it seemd, of course, the screen was larger) and that was about it. I did give it a good run despite not having played it in a few months, but I think this is another one where it really doesn't matter (then again, I was on the phone while playing, maybe I should investigate further).


And that was it. But yeah, I can definitely see TATE being all kinds of better in some instances. Galactic Attack just blew my mind. :shock:
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What? You've really never played games in tate before, jp? I must say, that's pretty surprising.
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No... I tried to once but all these weird colors washed over my screen, so I thought I was fucking my TV up.


Today was my first experience with TATE. :cry: Though definitely not my last. :D
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Post by iatneH »

Today a coworker just brought in his old Commodore 1701 monitor for me. It doesn't have RGB input, but it still tates nicely and I think I can make an S-video breakout cable for it since it has RCA jacks for Chroma and Luma.

So I saw Mushihime in tate for the first time, it's really nice even with composite video input. Too bad he's only lending me the monitor :\
I'll have to see if I can pick up one for myself at the flea market one of these days..
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Does Tate'ing make that much difference? I've been tempted in the past but more so out of curiousity than an urge to make my games better.
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Yes, the difference is like Night and Day.
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It depends on the game, in my experience: some of the games I own seem to play pretty well in either tate or yoko, while others are a lot better in the former. I wouldn't say that a tate display is exactly essential to the shmupping experience, but if you can get one without breaking the bank it is a nice thing to have.
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It really does make a world of difference. I'm glad it worked for you, JP. I know you're a huge Saturn fan, but you might also want to try Shiki II. The task of weaving through certain boss attacks became much less a matter of chance in tate mode. And as I mentioned before, Gunbird II is a whole lot better in tate.

As for the Saturn, I've mostly played Shienryu, Battle Garegga, and DoDonPachi. All three looked great, though BG is a bit too wide for my tv, so left portions of the game are cut off from view. I'm thinking of playing Shienryu tonight.
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jp wrote:Today was my first experience with TATE. :cry: Though definitely not my last. :D
And you'll never go back. :D

People say they buy big TVs so they get a decent size yoko image. I think it's money better spent to just buy a normal television, then put the rest of the money towards a TATE dedicated display. It doesn't have to be that big and it still makes all the difference in the world.
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jp wrote:No... I tried to once but all these weird colors washed over my screen, so I thought I was fucking my TV up.
I get that too. Even though I let it stand on its side, unplugged, for ~30 min before play. :? :?:
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zinger wrote:
jp wrote:No... I tried to once but all these weird colors washed over my screen, so I thought I was fucking my TV up.
I get that too. Even though I let it stand on its side, unplugged, for ~30 min before play. :? :?:
Did you try leaving it turned off for a while sitting in the upright position before actually flipping it? Might help.

I used to flip the crap out of my old 25" floor model TV until it died. It was basically a tube with a wooden casing build around it--flat on all sides. It was perfect. :lol:
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jp wrote:No... I tried to once but all these weird colors washed over my screen, so I thought I was fucking my TV up.


Today was my first experience with TATE. :cry: Though definitely not my last. :D
Yeah, with some TVs you have to turn them off and wait a few minutes for it to degauss.
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subcons wrote:
zinger wrote:
jp wrote:No... I tried to once but all these weird colors washed over my screen, so I thought I was fucking my TV up.
I get that too. Even though I let it stand on its side, unplugged, for ~30 min before play. :? :?:
Did you try leaving it turned off for a while sitting in the upright position before actually flipping it? Might help.

I used to flip the crap out of my old 25" floor model TV until it died. It was basically a tube with a wooden casing build around it--flat on all sides. It was perfect. :lol:

No no no...thats not the right way to do it.
TATE the TV, then wait. If the TV doesn't automatically deguase itself, then forget about it.
Some TV's just don't like sitting vertical no matter what. As long as you use a newer TV you shouln't have any problems.
My 27" JVC works fine, and it was purchased in the late 90's.
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Post by Pedro Lambrini »

There's this site here: http://turn.to/vertical

It seems to work for him (the site owner)! I'm going to try it tomorrow...
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Pedro Lambrini wrote:There's this site here: http://turn.to/vertical

It seems to work for him (the site owner)! I'm going to try it tomorrow...
Yep, thats D. He has the most information about TATE there.
Although, I've been a "Tater" way before that.
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Yay jp! :D

I remember thinking that I didn't need to, that I didn't want to chance it, that it wouldn't be that much of a difference. I tried "lazy TATE," which didn't help much at all, but of course also wasn't very indicative of how fantastic it actually is. The real deal is very very cool, and the only reason I might not wish that I did it sooner is because it made things all the more incredible when I finally took the plunge.
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jp wrote:Today was my first experience with TATE. :cry: Though definitely not my last. :D
And you'll never go back. :D
Well, I wouldn't say that... Sometimes a quick run in YOKO is all that one can do, when not having the ten minutes to flip the TV over and back (concerning other YOKO programming/gaming). Plus, for some games... Once you get the feel in TATE, I think that your subconscious sort of remembers how close and far everything actually is, and you tend to fare a bit better even still. Amazing; TATE makes games better even in YOKO mode! :mrgreen:
subcons wrote:I used to flip the crap out of my old 25" floor model TV until it died. It was basically a tube with a wooden casing build around it--flat on all sides. It was perfect. :lol:
That's me!

I hope mine doesn't stop working anytime soon... :(
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TWITCH:
No no no...thats not the right way to do it.
TATE the TV, then wait. If the TV doesn't automatically deguase itself, then forget about it.
Some TV's just don't like sitting vertical no matter what. As long as you use a newer TV you shouln't have any problems.
My 27" JVC works fine, and it was purchased in the late 90's.
Not to be a weasel, bro. But, you make TATE sound risky.

JP! (and whomever else has to yet delve into the realm of full-scale arcade madness at home because you're squeamish about fucking-up your T.V. and you're not sure if you can earmark some dough in the future to replace something you MIGHT-but-most-likely-WON'T permanently damage forever as long as you eternally live...):

Get a 13" Amiga 1080 or 1080S monitor off of ebay and then find... (and hey, they're not that hard to find -- what the hell? You mean you're a shmup collector and you don't know how to find things? C'maaaaahnnn!!! :roll: )... the RGB cables that fit each console -- Saturn, DC, PSX and flip that little bitch all over the place on a whim whenever you so desire and BE ASTOUNDED by the fact you paid VERY little for such a magnificent picture! Of course you'll have to find a little corner for yourself...It's not exactly a WOW the whole family kind of thing.
I've YET to experience it myself, but I've got the cables coming thanks to Matt and I'm drooling to get them...I'm already drooling just from the RCA video feed on this little charmer that's been staring at me for a couple of months now even as I write this!
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Post by MadSteelDarkness »

I had the same color distortion problems with a 19" TV that I tried rotating a couple of years ago. I tried it again with another TV, and had the same problem. I finally bought a 19" VGA monitor (stupidly cheap, along with a Hori Upscan Converter) and have been in tate bliss ever since. The monitor has an instant degauss button, so it just takes me a couple of minutes to switch from yoko to tate (plus, it allows me to experience several DC games in their native VGA glory!).

Anywho, welcome to the club, jp! Enjoy.

You've absolutely got to try the DC rev of Gunbird 2 next. It's a completely different game in tate.
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icepick wrote:
subcons wrote:I used to flip the crap out of my old 25" floor model TV until it died. It was basically a tube with a wooden casing build around it--flat on all sides. It was perfect. :lol:
That's me!

I hope mine doesn't stop working anytime soon... :(
Even if it does, it'll give you an excuse to track down an upscanner and an extra monitor display. Then you'll really see the light. :wink:
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Without TATE On vert shmup ports I would just DIE!!!!! Literally
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subcons wrote:Even if it does, it'll give you an excuse to track down an upscanner and an extra monitor display. Then you'll really see the light. :wink:
True.

I shoot on DC though, so technically, I should simply get a VGA box and get to gaming on my Samsung 755DF CRT... which I would, if I wasn't so wary. If my $5 garage sale JCPenny TV goes bad, I'll probably spend more time being productive. If my monitor goes bad, it's all over. ...

... Actually, it'd probably be perfect for it. Ventilation all over, degauss (of course), and a fairly crisp display. My main thing is that I still feel like I'd rather play on a big, fuzzy 25" TV than a small, clear 17" monitor (which is much newer and don't-want-to-scratch-ish). Really though, it's the size. I want everything big and in my face! 21", at least. Actually, the monitor is looking decently big right now, and I wouldn't have to sit too close to it. I'm getting tempted, now. This could be the beginning of the end for my most favorite monitor ever.

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OK. I promise not to get technical. Technical issues will probably kill this thread.

JP> First off, I hope Garegga is on you list to try, this one really requires tate, and it makes the game so much better. The same is true of Gekirindan!

Second, I'd check around and find a cheap tv that is 'tate-able' (ugh, not. really. a. word. !) I keep a 20" daewoo flatscreen in permanent tate and it is great!

Third--seriously consider having a TV in tate all the time. It isn't just the problem of changing the orientation of your TV, but the current orientation of your TV will strongly influence what you play. Having two tvs (one in yoko, and one in tate) frees up your playing and save any possible stress on constantly rotating your tv.
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Why doesn't anyone envy owning a European tv?
It has RGB scart!

Perhaps import or try to meet Europeans who were dumb enough to bring their European tv's to the States. They might sell them for cheap since they are more or less useless for watching tv in the states.

Anyway, you might be able to get one on the cheap and then it's pure RGB bliss, TATE it. done.

VGA box?
small Commodore monitors?
that will not give THAT arcade experience.
At least try to get a Euro tv with EURO SCART. If you don't succeed, you at least tried. Perhaps there's one right under your node :shock:
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D wrote:Why doesn't anyone envy owning a European tv?
It has RGB scart!
At the risk of hijacking this thread (sorry!) I have a Japanese DC (Treamcast to be exact). How do I get it to output in RGB? Do I need special cables? I have an RGB cable from my PAL DC but it doesn't seem to work on my Treamcast...

Help! i have a 21" ready to tate and I'd like it in RGB!! :)
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It should work fine in the Treamcast as they share the same video output port.
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Pedro Lambrini wrote:Does Tate'ing make that much difference? I've been tempted in the past but more so out of curiousity than an urge to make my games better.
I fucked up my wall paper behind my tv by turning it left. It's not that much of a difference, but it's worth trying out.
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Elixir wrote:
Pedro Lambrini wrote:Does Tate'ing make that much difference? I've been tempted in the past but more so out of curiousity than an urge to make my games better.
I fucked up my wall paper behind my tv by turning it left. It's not that much of a difference, but it's worth trying out.

"Not much of a difference"? Ptff...what did you do, stare at the blank screen!?
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i'm using a sony trinitron kv1131CR picked up in a thrift store for $20

before that when I was in england..... here's a lil' story..

My mother spent a few years working at a junior school in england..

she called me one night to tell me there was a bunch of old computers being thrown out and wether some BBC micros would be of any use, of which I replied, no..

then she tells me there's some monitors being thrown out too.. of which I assume to be greenscreen monitors, I asked her to find out what they were.. a few days later.... turns out they were throwing out 8 or so phillips RGB SCART monitors that had been set on greenscreen since purchase.. the rest of my hardcore gaming buddies all now have nice tateable SCART monitors.. and for free, cuz i'm nice like that :)

man, some of the stuff some people throw out..... :shock:
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When i have the extra money i plan on buying one of those wall mounted flat screens that i can turn on its side and put on the wall at the foot of my bed (since my bed is built into the regular wall so my room is still a perfect square). Can you imagine how awesome it will be to kick back with a couple of bigass body pillows, some pizza and coke, and play a vert shmup on a bigass hd monitor all while laying in bed? Truly that would be awesome! 8)
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circuitface wrote:When i have the extra money i plan on buying one of those wall mounted flat screens that i can turn on its side and put on the wall at the foot of my bed (since my bed is built into the regular wall so my room is still a perfect square). Can you imagine how awesome it will be to kick back with a couple of bigass body pillows, some pizza and coke, and play a vert shmup on a bigass hd monitor all while laying in bed? Truly that would be awesome! 8)
when i bought my 42" plasma, before setting it on a base, i leant it against the wall and had a swift game of ikaruga in tate..

while it's jawdroppingly HUGE.. it's really REALLY hard to play as you really have to move your eyes to see everything.. it gets quite tiring!!
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