Osama Bin Laden is dead

[brentsg]

In this episode it seems really convenient again that the person has been shot in a 40-1 situation where I believe (you might not) he could have been apprehended with a tranquilizer and helicoptered out. It seems the burial is rather quick like the US government can't wait to get rid of it. So many questions could have been asked.

He's dead because it works out better that way. I'm sure they didn't want to take him alive due to the spectacle that would have resulted. And they probably did the quick burial to appease Muslim folks that would want to see their beliefs honored. Had they not done that, then there would be a whole different set of criticisms.

As it is, there will be a bunch of conspiracy whackjobs that can have harmless fun with it. Who cares?

[adversity1]

Good old Skykid, pretending to be ambiguous on conspiracy theories but in fact lining up exactly with the Alex Joneses of the world when the opportunity presents itself.

Took ten years to locate

Yes and what is obvious now is that elements of the Pakistani state at least had a role in protecting his person, which explains his ability to keep a low profile years after Tora Bora.

Immediately killed

This should be no surprise. Whatever your view of the man, he was a committed jihadist who was ready to fight to the death. The Americans are fighting in foreign territory, in a country they are not at war with, and have no legal jurisdiction afforded by any world body like the UN. A helicopter was shot down in the operation in currently unknown circumstances, possibly by Al-Queda bodyguards or by Pakistani mil. It's clear that a bunch of brave people (US Special Ops) risked their lives to kill or apprehend the world's most wanted terrorist.

No court trial

The real organizer of the 9/11 attacks, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, is scheduled to have a (military) court trial. I don't think this would change much of your view or those of people like yourself.

Personally I support full court trials so that we can put an end to nonsense where people don't think Al Queda exists or that George Bush is more responsible for the 9/11 attacks than the cell who carried them out.

No questions answered

Which questions did you want answered? We learned his location.

Already buried at sea

Where did you think they could bury him? lol

Do you realize why Pakistan and Saudi Arabia didn't want to accept his body? Any such grave would become a martyr symbol, and a focus of extremists.

As long as plenty of photographic and DNA evidence is preserved, they can put his body anywhere they want as far as I'm concerned.

Pics of a body double if you're lucky

If the US could organize a Bin Laden body double, why wouldn't they have done that in 2003 or any earlier? Why 2011? When the guy who started the war isn't president anymore?

Lol @ the same old American bullshit. Keep living the dream folks.

You would do best to take your own advice. : /

I totally agree the USA is right on this. But it doesn't mean I trust them. I would be interested to see how many US citizens are just going to accept the news as it is. Will Donald Trump ask for his death certificate? Poor Donald, you know he wants to see it.

You do realize that the Trump "birth certificate" ordeal is just as absurd a cause as those who claim Flight 93 did not crash in Pennsylvania right?

You should listen to the interview with Wally Miller, the coroner in Somerset County, on the BBC's "Conspiracy Files", who describes all the pieces of people he picked up from the crash site. People who don't believe this guy is telling the truth are at least as bad as birthers, wouldn't you agree?

[Damocles]

I'm surprised no one has made a point of the fact that he was located in a populated area well inside Pakistan and not in a remote area near the border, despite what the Pakistani government was telling us.

[Icarus]

Amazing what you guys can do when PSN is down.
All we need now is a week-long Twitter and Facebook crash, and we'll see a cure for cancer, cold fusion advancements, and world governments declare peace.

[Skykid]

Good old Skykid, pretending to be ambiguous on conspiracy theories but in fact lining up exactly with the Alex Joneses of the world when the opportunity presents itself.

Oh gimme a break man, I don't go in for all that crap.

I'm under no illusion that Bin Laden isn't dead. He was probably dead before 911: dead people make for great scapegoats. I don't consider that a fact mind, just my take on it, could be right or wrong (a theory.) I'm just not ready to buy that he was shot and disposed of in a accordance to his Islamic rights within 24 hours. That shit's for ignorant patriots.

Marginalise, doubt, bow to your government, hail the death of the invisible man. Grin while you wait for the evidence to surface and I'll wait patiently in the sidelines and see if it sways my opinion.

Don't get all antsy because I don't hold much faith in news corporations or governing bodies to tell me the truth: they've got an awful track record.

[SamIAm]

You can't fake someone's death without capturing him. He would just make another audio recording declaring it all a hoax and send it to al Jazeera.

If he's alive, he's in cell.

To believe otherwise makes you a full fledged truther, who believes bin Laden was working for us the whole time.

Thank you. I'll probably copy/paste this around to a few other boards I go to.

My money is on photographic evidence surfacing years from now when there has been time for passions to cool. The government has done that kind of thing before. A photo of bin Laden shot to pieces released now would deeply stir up everyone in the region who doesn't like us.

[austere]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTN3s2iVKKI

[mesh control]

Edit: Irrelevance.

[genecyst]

i think a lot of people will vote for the brave president who killed osama bin laden...

[antron]

here are some real questions:
http://www.slate.com/id/2292705/

It seems the pak military built this compound in 2005 for the purpose of harboring bin Laden.

[Zeron]

i think a lot of people will vote for the brave president who killed osama bin laden...

Clearly he tracked him down and called for the whole search

[adversity1]

here are some real questions:
http://www.slate.com/id/2292705/

It seems the pak military built this compound in 2005 for the purpose of harboring bin Laden.

That is fucking amazing.

Everyone who had been calling the Pakistani military out as double-faced this whole time has been quite vindicated.

Reading that article, it seems that OBL's location was given away by a Gitmo detainee, which is disappointing to hear. This will further embolden the hard right on the "enhanced interrogation" policies they have introduced into that prison. Since the information was had something like 4 years ago this is almost assuredly a period where waterboarding etc. were proceeding unimpeded since there still hadn't been the (semblance) of a national debate on the subject.

[Ganelon]

If the US could organize a Bin Laden body double, why wouldn't they have done that in 2003 or any earlier? Why 2011? When the guy who started the war isn't president anymore?

There are some very interesting observations about some of bin Laden's videotapes that do appear to be of doubles who have slightly different features.

Could he still be alive in a top secret prison? Perhaps, but there's really no reason for that amount of risk.

Could bin Laden have died and the US kept things quiet until now? Bush was intent on preserving his legacy and now faces the prospect of being considered among the worst presidents in US history. He wouldn't have done so willingly and we've gained very little as a result. This isn't Iraq, where even the evidence was very suspicious and we could help stimulate the economy (or fund favorable defense contractors for the more pessimistic).

Could this all be one huge international conspiracy cutting across parties and nations, where everyone is in cahoots with each other creating the eternal conflicts depicted in 1984? Possibly, but there would have to be incredible secrecy, trust, and coordination, the likes of which we've never seen before.

It seems the most reasonable to conclude that everybody is telling the truth except possibly the Pakistani government at trying to divert American attention away but claiming that bin Laden had probably already died of poor health. I expect that a death picture of two will be revealed when the situation is cooler. If you consider yourself in Obama's position, the entire operation was planned out in a very logical manner.

[mesh control]

Yeah, and Hitler's body is frozen.

[antron]

Reading that article, it seems that OBL's location was given away by a Gitmo detainee, which is disappointing to hear. This will further embolden the hard right on the "enhanced interrogation" policies they have introduced into that prison.

not the exact location, but the pseudonyme of his courier
more on that:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... eputy.html

[burgerkingdiamond]

Emmanuel Goldstein

[Skykid]

If the US could organize a Bin Laden body double, why wouldn't they have done that in 2003 or any earlier? Why 2011? When the guy who started the war isn't president anymore?

There are some very interesting observations about some of bin Laden's videotapes that do appear to be of doubles who have slightly different features.

You mean the vid where he admits to the 9/11 attacks and then allows his home video to quickly slip into the hands of the US news networks?

It's this one.

The guy in the vid appears stockier and has different features and mannerisms to historic footage of Bin Laden, hence the debate. He also appears to be making up for all those PO faced shots by smiling like an idiot the whole way through.

Maybe he was on acid.

[antron]

are you suggesting that bin Laden and al Qaeda didn't actually ultimatly claim responsibility for the US 2001 attacks? if not, then what are you saying. I get the fealing that you really don't believe anything because you are too afraid of ever being wrong. You just sick you head in the sands of questions, and ridicule others for sticking their heads in the sands of wrong answers.

[Zeron]

Yeah, and Hitler's body is frozen.

No man he fled to Argentina

[TrevHead (TVR)]

Its good that they finally got him but the lack of evidence is very strange. Im sure we will be seeing new tapes coming to light with body doubles proclaiming its all a lie. Maybe this is what the US wants since it will make those who make the tapes easier to find. But if thats the case telling the world they found bin laden through his courer was a bum move. Im sure im over analyzing and the US government isnt that smart.

As ive said its good that hes dead but the pictures of everyone partying over the death of someone doesnt sit well with me, even if that person was such a evil monster. Im sure his supporters around the world will be enraged by all of this, so the feeling of euphoria might be short lived if reprisals are swift

[Observer]

Fresh from out TV:

http://twitpic.com/4s8awo

Seems we weren't the only ones who fired the teams of correctors, jeez.

OBAMA IS OSAMA.

"Obama's terrorist attacks had to be stopped." Hell yeah.

[Icarus]

Live-action Call of Duty: Modern Warfare.
http://gizmodo.com/#!5797739/president- ... -raid-live

[antron]

Live-action Call of Duty: Modern Warfare.
http://gizmodo.com/#!5797739/president- ... -raid-live

war porn.

word is he tried to use one of his wives as a shield. with claims like that they should at least release a still shot.

[Blackbird]

All we need now is a week-long Twitter and Facebook crash, and we'll see a cure for cancer, cold fusion advancements, and world governments declare peace.

Man, I hope so.

[BulletMagnet]

As is the case in so many of these situations, all I can think to add is, "Stay classy, Rush!"

[Jeneki]

folks is acting like Al-Qaeda has Voltron tucked away just in case Bin Laden is ever killed.

Only if it's powered by Bin Laden's brain in a jar, as a final boss in a Bionic Commando style game.

[BIL]

^I always pictured him being wired up to launch a WMD upon death, Hard Corps style.

[Skykid]

are you suggesting that bin Laden and al Qaeda didn't actually ultimatly claim responsibility for the US 2001 attacks? if not, then what are you saying. I get the fealing that you really don't believe anything because you are too afraid of ever being wrong. You just sick you head in the sands of questions, and ridicule others for sticking their heads in the sands of wrong answers.

Proof. Point me to it.

Thanks in advance.

[antron]

are you suggesting that bin Laden and al Qaeda didn't actually ultimatly claim responsibility for the US 2001 attacks? if not, then what are you saying. I get the fealing that you really don't believe anything because you are too afraid of ever being wrong. You just sick you head in the sands of questions, and ridicule others for sticking their heads in the sands of wrong answers.

Proof. Point me to it.

Thanks in advance.

I'm not trying to "prove" anything. I'm asking you what you believe. Do you think bin Laden and al Qaeda ultimatly claimed responsibility for the US 2001 attacks or not. It's a very simple question. It's not about whether they did it or not.

[Matsunaga]

I always know to come here for ridiculous theories. He's dead, Navy Seals don't fuck around. I only wish they drug his corpse through the streets, and mounted his head on a pike on the White House lawn.