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More Jack Thompson Insanity: Killer7 and ESRB (News)

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What the fucking Christ?

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ESRB Adversary and Lawyer Targets Killer 7

Jack Thompson says Capcom's psycho-thriller deserves an Adults Only rating and that if the ESRB won't do it, it should be dismantled.

August 5, 2005 - Outspoken Florida attorney Jack Thompson, whose legal crusades against violent and sexually explicit videogames and the organization that regulates them has garnered more and more media attention, is back in the public eye. This time Thompson is petitioning the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) to change its M (Mature) rating to an AO (Adults Only) rating for Capcom's Killer 7, a stylized psycho-thriller for Nintendo GameCube and Sony PlayStation 2.

The ESRB evaluates and assigns videogames ratings based on their content. A game suitable for all ages will likely receive an E for Everyone while titles with stronger themes and violence will probably fall under the M umbrella, which caters to the 17 years-old and up crowd. The AO rating was created to recognize games developed specifically for gamers 18 years-old and up. Games not rated by the ESRB go ignored by major retail chains across the United States, which is why most publishers work with the organization.

Thompson recently sent an e-mail to Patricia Vance, president of the ESRB, explaining his position. He also forwarded the e-mail to media and various government officials, including Senator Hilary Clinton and Senator Joseph Lieberman, both of whom have been outspoken critics of sex and violence in videogames.

Killer 7, released by Capcom on July 7, challenges players to become seven deadly assassins. The game, which was developed in Japan, features stylized cel-shaded graphics and a story drowned in adult themes, spoken profanity, violence, and sexual situations. The game was rated M by the ESRB for "blood and gore, intense violence, sexual themes and strong language."

In the e-mail, Thompson cites IGN.com's review of Killer 7 and its description of "full-blown sex sequences" as a primary reason why the game should receive an AO rating. Major retailers including Wal-Mart do not sell AO-rated games, which would mean that such a rating might have an adverse impact on sales of Killer 7.

"There is no question in my mind that a videogame containing 'full-blown sex sequences' cannot be rated anything other than 'AO' rather than 'M,'" Thompson writes in the e-mail. "The [IGN.com review] says that this game's 'M' actually means something, and [it] says it twice for emphasis."

Thompson has for years campaigned against the ESRB's rating system, which he believes is ineffective. In fact, he has publicly called for the Entertainment Software Association (ESA), which governs over the ESRB, to upend its president Doug Lowenstein, describing the executive as a "thug" who "...never met a pixelated prostitute he didn't like." These comments came in response to the ESRB's initial M-rating for the notoriously violent and profane action series, Grand Theft Auto. Thompson's side has gained high-up supporters ever since the ESRB failed to catch the "Hot Coffee" hack in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas which unlocks inappropriate sexual content.

Elaborating in his e-mail to Ms. Vance, Thompson writes: "There are those who would say that people such as I are 'prudes' who have no problem with violence but get uptight about sexual content in games. That is a disingenuous charge, and you know why. I have been on national television programs, as early as the week before Columbine, complaining about 13-year-olds being enabled by the ESRB to violent 'M' games. But it is your sister organization, the Entertainment Software Association, that is in court right this second in Illinois trying to prevent the extension of the 'sex' argument to the 'violence' argument. It is your industry, then, that thinks violence is okay for kids but that sex, given state laws already on the books, is not okay.

"Well, the Killer 7 game underscores the fact that your organization and the industry it fronts for appear to try to get away with anything that is harmful to kids, whether already illegal or not. What it also means is that if jurors in a criminal prosecution were asked whether Killer 7 contains 'sexual material harmful to minors' in violation of statutory standards, then, based upon the above enthusiastic review at IGN.com, the answer to that question would probably be 'yes.'

"That answer would put the Entertainment Software Rating Board, in my opinion, in the middle of a criminal conspiracy to distribute sexual material harmful to minors in violation of criminal statutes. This is not a situation in which the ESRB has been blind-sided by hidden or embedded content, Ms. Vance. You all have known that the 'full-blown sex sequences' are patently present in the game, yet you chose to put an 'M' rather than an 'AO' rating on it. Big mistake.

"If I were you, Ms. Vance, I would immediately ask the makers of this game, and all retailers, to pull it from store shelves. If you don't, expect for others to use this latest scandal, which I am hereby officially kicking off, to call for a dismantling of the ESRB. The fox has guarded the chickens long enough. Killer 7 seems to prove it."


Thompson's campaign seems based solely on the description of Killer 7 in the IGN.com review -- a description that is open to interpretation. In fact, Killer 7's so-called "full-blown sex sequences" could appear tame when compared to those in some of today's movies. The sexual scenes in question showcase a fully clothed wheelchair-bound man pleasuring a straddling woman, who is also fully clothed. Although she moans, indicating a sexual orgasm, neither nudity nor intercourse is illustrated in the cut-scene. The same scene in a movie today might warrant only a PG-13 or, worst, R-rating.

Which raises another issue: are videogames and movies being judged by the same standards or is explicit content in software being scrutinized simply for being so drastically different from the days when Pac-Man reigned supreme?

The ESRB argues that its rating system has established laws and guidelines to regulate the sale of suitable software to consumers, and Senator Joseph Lieberman agrees. He has called the ESRB the most comprehensive of any entertainment ratings system.

IGN contacted Capcom Entertainment for further comment, but the company had none.

E-mails to the ESRB were not answered before publish time.

Stay tuned for more on the story as it breaks.
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so tell me if i'm wrong, but is an 'm' rating 17+, and 'AO' is 18+? so in one year of development it becomes acceptable to see a whole new range of things? isn't it also legal to have sex at 16? so killer7 contains a sex scene? all i remember in it is a shot of samantha's head and a bit of panting. i don't really understand why that is being highlighted as the main point of reference, as the most disturbing scene as far as i'm concerned was witht he guy who had the head of his daughter thrown back at him. this is a prime example of someone who has not and never will play the game, and therefore, has all of his arguments made invalid. there is no way to intelligently criticise something without first witnessing it first hand.

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Get this: Jack Thompson has NOT played this game at all, instead he only relied on IGN's "ten minute, forty-nine second" Killer7 review video to spin off some bullshit facts pulled out of his ass, like any other blood-sucking remoras, to warrant a petition against games he thinks should deserve AO rating.
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You guys want to see something else interesting?
http://keepyourkillingclean.blogspot.co ... e-bag.html
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While we're posting links here; I thought these would be interesting to read so you can get a better picture of how much of a fucking douchemuffin he is.

Jack Thompson, Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thomp ... game_Cases

Jack Thompson, CBS Interview: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/ ... 6446.shtml

Jack Thompson "Straw Man", Aelon.net: http://aelon.net/2005/07/jack-thompson-straw-man/

Jack Thompson, ChatterBoxGameShow Interview (MP3): http://www.chatterboxgameshow.com/archi ... 1-2005.mp3
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Oh yeah, like anyone under the age of 17 wants to play killer 7 anyway...
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Has Jack Thompson played Max Payne 2? I'm sure he'd flip at the Max and Mona embrace.. :roll:
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SheSaidDutch wrote:Has Jack Thompson played Max Payne 2? I'm sure he'd flip at the Max and Mona embrace.. :roll:
Let alone a nude patch for Mona! Oh, the humanity!
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I wonder if the guy makes sure his wife is also of legal age before they get intimate. It must suck to be one of his kids.
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Well, at the very least we can be thankful he's set his sights on a game that would be innapproriate to minors. This isn't nearly as head-up-his-ass-tastic as his campaign against the Sims.

What I find amazing is that he doesn't even hide the fact that he had no fucking frame of reference. In his letter, he makes numerous references to the IGN review, fulling revealing that he has no actual idea what the game is like or even what happens in the sex scene.

What really pisses me off is that line about the ESRB "failing to catch Hot Coffee". How the fuck does one catch something that no one expected to be able to find? Rockstar had no fucking clue that useless abandonned code would ever be found, and there's no way the ESRB would be able to find it.
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alpha5099 wrote: What I find amazing is that he doesn't even hide the fact that he had no fucking frame of reference. In his letter, he makes numerous references to the IGN review, fulling revealing that he has no actual idea what the game is like or even what happens in the sex scene.

What really pisses me off is that line about the ESRB "failing to catch Hot Coffee". How the fuck does one catch something that no one expected to be able to find? Rockstar had no fucking clue that useless abandonned code would ever be found, and there's no way the ESRB would be able to find it.
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I wonder why they simply didn't delete that code. It wouldn't have been much harder than locking it. Heck, they could have corrupted that part of code so the game crashed if you try to access it. Replace the models, delete the audio, change it with Teletubbies music.. anything but just lock it and hope no one finds it. Dumb Rockstar.
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Specineff wrote:I wonder why they simply didn't delete that code.
Okay, write a program.

Then remove 1/4 of it.

It won't work anymore.

That said, why should they have to? Without the use of external tools, the content isn't accessable. I could, by the same logic, create a mod that uses in-game resources of any game to create a sex scene, so should the producer of the game be held responsible for content that wasn't normally accessible in the game?
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Monkey_Man wrote:. I could, by the same logic, create a mod that uses in-game resources of any game to create a sex scene, so should the producer of the game be held responsible for content that wasn't normally accessible in the game?
You go to far. This was clearly part of the game that was disabled. If you made a code for Galactic attack that made a sex scene, you are just a pervert. Clearly Rockstar are already perverts and made this game, activated by a simple code. Still, I really don't care about so much about the sex mini-game so much as the questionable value of everything else.

My real issue is that GTA isn't an M game in the target audience sense. No adult could find much interest in the silliness going on in the game (I own it for some reason, and have never been able to force my self to finish the innane story mode.) I know plenty of adult video game players and NONE of them like GTA, but all the middle school age kids I know play it and praise it as the best game ever.

That said, I'm not sure this is so much an issue of censorship as it is what parents are letting their kids play.
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Well, with that said, I'm not 14,(no pervert either) and I found all of the GTA's to be intertaining. I only played the story modes. To me, running around without a purpose is lame and boring.
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CMoon wrote:My real issue is that GTA isn't an M game in the target audience sense. No adult could find much interest in the silliness going on in the game (I own it for some reason, and have never been able to force my self to finish the innane story mode.) I know plenty of adult video game players and NONE of them like GTA, but all the middle school age kids I know play it and praise it as the best game ever.
Plenty of twenty-somethings absolutely love the series.
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CMoon wrote:
That said, I'm not sure this is so much an issue of censorship as it is what parents are letting their kids play.

Bingo.
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CMoon wrote: My real issue is that GTA isn't an M game in the target audience sense. No adult could find much interest in the silliness going on in the game (I own it for some reason, and have never been able to force my self to finish the innane story mode.) I know plenty of adult video game players and NONE of them like GTA, but all the middle school age kids I know play it and praise it as the best game ever.
That's weird because I don't think I know a gamer over 18 that doesn't like Grand Theft Auto.
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Acid King wrote:
CMoon wrote: My real issue is that GTA isn't an M game in the target audience sense. No adult could find much interest in the silliness going on in the game (I own it for some reason, and have never been able to force my self to finish the innane story mode.) I know plenty of adult video game players and NONE of them like GTA, but all the middle school age kids I know play it and praise it as the best game ever.
That's weird because I don't think I know a gamer over 18 that doesn't like Grand Theft Auto.
I know like, 4 or 5 that don't. But I know more that do. :roll:
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sjewkestheloon wrote:so tell me if i'm wrong, but is an 'm' rating 17+, and 'AO' is 18+? so in one year of development it becomes acceptable to see a whole new range of things?
I just turned 18, and guess what? I am exactly the same as I was when I was 17. They don't care about making the game AO for the purpose of limiting it to 18 year olds and up, they're doing it because the big game retailers (Gamestop and Walmart are the biggest in the US) won't stock AO rated games at all.
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