Issue with a member here

[MmSadda]

Personally, I don't blame the dude, money like that being spent and you gonna waste time airing him out cause he expects to have it shipped in a timely fashion?

We're talking about a man who e-mailed me a threat of a chargeback at 5AM Monday my time (like 2PM Monday his time) claiming "IT IS TUESDAY" in the title of his message. I think someone has a fucked-up concept of time.

[Matskat]

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[MmSadda]

fuckin bootleg-selling scammer can't even be arsed to reply. He's been on several times since this thread was posted, and hasn't bothered to say a thing.

Someone needs a ban.

[Never_Scurred]

fuckin bootleg-selling scammer can't even be arsed to reply. He's been on several times since this thread was posted, and hasn't bothered to say a thing.

Someone needs a ban.

He's got the willies, LOL

C'mon HD, man the fuck up and come into this thread and defend yourself. You gon' let them talk greasy about you like that, mayne?
Tsk tsk tsk tsk.....

[Barrakketh]

Personally, I don't blame the dude, money like that being spent and you gonna waste time airing him out cause he expects to have it shipped in a timely fashion?

Hahaha...what?

Next business day is entirely reasonable (and timely), and as the OP said work obligations prevented him from shipping it on a Saturday. You do know what a job is, right?

Let's also talk about how he tried to trade a hacked Taito Type X with bootleg software straight for DFK. And also tried to trade G-Net bootlegs for it.

You know, if I were in your position I would have refused to deal with him after that alone. Also:

I'd just purchased Mushi Futari Black Label, which I'd not planned on purchasing unless this deal went through

Bad fucking idea, especially with how shady the guy was in the first place. If you really couldn't afford it you should have waited until after 45 days had passed which is the limit for them to file the claim.

[MintyTheCat]

And I'd go so far to put a turd in a package and send him this - for free.

This guy seems to be expecting small miracles or perhaps he is trying to some how back out of the deal and not make it look to bad for himself.
Whatever happens he doesn't realistically have a leg to stand on.

[MintyTheCat]

If I pay for an item on a Friday evening, I'd be extremely pleased if the package went out before Wednesday, but that's just me.

Same here. I tend not to put any pressure on people as most of them have real lives going on besides gaming and selling so I forgive people for this. However I would not even dare take liberties with other people.

I think we have to understand that our community is comprised of interested individuals and that there is no need to rip each off.

[Never_Scurred]

Personally, I don't blame the dude, money like that being spent and you gonna waste time airing him out cause he expects to have it shipped in a timely fashion?

Hahaha...what?

Next business day is entirely reasonable (and timely), and as the OP said work obligations prevented him from shipping it on a Saturday. You do know what a job is, right?

Bear in mind, this is day #2 that the post office has been open, and if I weren't on here I'd be shipping the game presently (before work.)

Is that clear enough for you Barrakketh?

MmSadda,
Yeah, HD or whoeverthefuckheis should've changed his maxi-pad and calmed the hell down, and you were right to tell him to do so, but i'd still expect for the shipper to release my paid goods in a timely fashion, not deliberating on a forum about whether he's gonna follow through or not. No offense, but you handled it all wrong. If dude was really spazzing out like that, and if he's really a known scammer/hustler, what big of a deal would it have been to just give him his money back and call it square if ou really felt insulted that much? Oh wait, didn't you already spend his money?

[TonK]

He didn't know if HD was a scammer or not.

He came here before anything went down and made a reference thread for the deal.

Mmsadda sent me a text early this morning asking for my opinion, in which I replied not to send it.

His demands weren't for timely shipping.

They were threats.

Then he asked for the money back.

What would you have done?

Personally, I don't blame the dude, money like that being spent and you gonna waste time airing him out cause he expects to have it shipped in a timely fashion?

Hahaha...what?

Next business day is entirely reasonable (and timely), and as the OP said work obligations prevented him from shipping it on a Saturday. You do know what a job is, right?

Bear in mind, this is day #2 that the post office has been open, and if I weren't on here I'd be shipping the game presently (before work.)

Is that clear enough for you Barrakketh?

MmSadda,
Yeah, HD or whoeverthefuckheis should've changed his maxi-pad and calmed the hell down, and you were right to tell him to do so, but i'd still expect for the shipper to release my paid goods in a timely fashion, not deliberating on a forum about whether he's gonna follow through or not. No offense, but you handled it all wrong. If dude was really spazzing out like that, and if he's really a known scammer/hustler, what big of a deal would it have been to just give him his money back and call it square if ou really felt insulted that much? Oh wait, didn't you already spend his money?

[Barrakketh]

Is that clear enough for you Barrakketh?

The reason why he wasn't shipping it out is due to his concerns about being scammed. And I'm cool with that considering the class act that he was dealing with.

And considering that the jackass asked for his money back around the time he would have shipped it had he not been asking for input here (9 a.m. my time) I'd say it's a damn good thing that he didn't ship it. He'd be out of the kit and the money once PayPal and HD was done screwing him over.

[Never_Scurred]

What would you have done?

I would have told HD to go swallow a handful of Oxycotin after the 2nd email, refunded him his money back when he asked for it, PRONTO, and called it a close one instead of running to the forums and shit.
Look, i'm happy MmSadda didn't get scammed, but since i'm not Tonk, since I didn't read the emails and all I have is to go on is MmSadda's initial post, from the looks of it, dude handled it wrong. But hey, i'm glad no one came out on the losing end of the "deal".

[Dave_K.]

I would definitely be concerned with faking any kind of invoice and insuring for anything less than full value. I pretty much do not ship internationally unless the member is very reputed and has references.

Anyone who doesn't falsify values on customs forms gets no business from me, period.
I don't pay tax premiums to buy people's old gaming shit, and I don't give a damn what the law says about it.

I'm curious, by requesting this, then are you ok sending payment as paypal gift (so you can't claim a charge back) and waving your right to a refund if the item goes lost or damaged in shipping? Again, just curious, as the risk then falls to the buyer, not the seller since you can't get packages insured with low value.

[BryanM]

Damn straight. If there's even one sign everything isn't roses and sunshine, you walk away. You're naked in the wind here; even more-so than buying something off Craig's List.

[hd]

just seen there is a thread about the cancelled deal between me and MSadda, so read this

1) i like it how 0 feedback members are talking about somebody with a +33 feedback here and +522 on ebay about being a scammer or a possible scammer, really good guys.

2) asking for under-declare does not indicate a scam, it is just the value of the goods for the customers to apply their taxes. if a parcel gets lost they will ask for value again, sending them the paypal receipt as value indication or ebay transaction. so no scam in sight

the only problem here was, i paid immediatly asking him to ship it immediatly on next day (SAT).
Immediatly after he got payment communication got stuck here via the forum (i understand he got the money..) letting me ask every day up to monday if he already shipped. Finally on Monday i remineded him on my paypal payment of 950USD (850USD + 100USD for shipping AND fees) that i want my item within this week (because of holiday). during that i lost my interesst in the whole thing and asked for a refund.

saturday:
>>> Rest assured, I will do everythig in my power to ship today!

monday, this is what i got back 1st from him:
>>>That is a problem. We had a deal, which I am holding up my end of, and you cannot back out now. >>>It should arrive between Thursday and Saturday, barring any issues with customs.

my answer:
ok. please ship it asap. didn´t want to threat you in any way, just would like to be it shipped as i was ripped off in the past making a bit nervous..
all the best

Then came this from MSadda:
I will go ahead and refund you. However, I need to move money between bank accounts and into paypal first, so it will be a couple days.

So definitive a cancelled deal
AND NOW:
MSadda, you are the one having still the kit (ok) AND MY MONEY. And i am telling you to refund it quick regardless if you can afford it or not. Thats simply your problem.
I will no discuss here anymore about this and that bla bla
SIMPLY REFUND as i will keep people update here in this thread you opened, how long it takes to get near $1000USD back from you. And this will be your future reputation here.
And please stop PP me "you fucked up" and such things... simply refund.... and sell your stuff

[Trevor spencer]

I would have canceled and refunded after the first PM. No patience or respect means no sale.

I would definitely be concerned with faking any kind of invoice and insuring for anything less than full value. I pretty much do not ship internationally unless the member is very reputed and has references.

Anyone who doesn't falsify values on customs forms gets no business from me, period.
I don't pay tax premiums to buy people's old gaming shit, and I don't give a damn what the law says about it.

+1

[dpful]

Dang, missed posting before hd, so this a little pointless now....

I'm on hd's side in this of course. I've sold him things before.
It's a lot of money. BOTH parties obviously don't HAVE the money to blow. Major lame squabble. If they were friends previous they'd both be fine. 1000$ makes anything scary. 2 pages of picking on HD is stupid. Should have gone through with the deal- hd would have honored it. I can see why you were scared about it. I think you did the right thing to open a thread about it- the wrong thing to reduce it to personal attacks.

I think that, unless you sell PCbs for a living, you should STAY in TOUCH and send the package at the earliest CONVENIENCE, or whatevers been worked out.
Man, sorry both of you. What a scary waste of time.

[dpful]

1) i like it how 0 feedback members are talking about somebody with a +33 feedback here and +522 on ebay about being a scammer or a possible scammer, really good guys.

Just read hd's paste of email exchange again. WTF? Appologies anyone? "jumpy sonofabitch" "jittery asshole needs to change his tampon" or whatever (?)

[hd]

>>is MmSadda's initial post, from the looks of it, dude handled it wrong. But hey, i'm glad no one came >>out on the losing end of the "deal".

@Never_Scurred : no chance to be glad, so far MSadda did not refund, 3 days off to the paypal claim.
if he likes it or not. it is my money - he didn´t do anything for it and has no right to keep it.
and tomorrow is the third day he had the chance to refund. 6 days in sum..

[Skykid]

I'm curious, by requesting this, then are you ok sending payment as paypal gift (so you can't claim a charge back) and waving your right to a refund if the item goes lost or damaged in shipping? Again, just curious, as the risk then falls to the buyer, not the seller since you can't get packages insured with low value.

It's a judgement call. I would never expect the seller to be held solely responsible if a loss should occur, that's just silly - I'd hope we could work it out halfway or something similar. PP Gift is the way to go and 99.9% of all trades I've done on forums have been with good grace and amongst good people - a far better class of dudes than you'll ever get on ebay.

With regards to package loss, it all comes down to risk really. If it's crazy expensive I'll choose a more secure shipping service and pay the extra for that. If I don't mind a gamble, I'll do reg airmail and take my chances. Either way, customs forms are gettin' marked down or it's not taking place. You wouldn't believe how much we get raped for this end. They even make you pay £££ for the letter they send you, and it basically sours any decent deal.

[TonK]

If it was me and I told HD I *might* have the game out on Saturday - then on Monday I get an email like that, I'd straight up refund him.

I don't think negative feedback should have been left for either party - HD really didn't do anything "wrong" - so maybe the feedback can be removed from both accounts?

It is Mmsadda's fault for spending the money before the item was shipped - I've done it before.

It's good both parties are going to be sorted.

HD, don't worry - I'll guarantee you will get your money back from Mmsadda.

Try to be a little more patient next time - give dude time to ship it.

[bitkid]

IMO I wouldn't accept that kind of money unless I knew I could ship the item THAT DAY or the very next day at the latest. If its a Saturday evening that the deal goes through or something I would just tell them to send me the money on Monday as I know that I would be able to ship it out that day. Also spending money that you get for something you haven't even closed the transaction on is just irresponsible, especially if something really does go wrong with the transaction and you need to cover your ass. If you don't have the funds/maturity to back up high value sales you really shouldn't be doing it IMO.

[Never_Scurred]

>>is MmSadda's initial post, from the looks of it, dude handled it wrong. But hey, i'm glad no one came >>out on the losing end of the "deal".

@Never_Scurred : no chance to be glad, so far MSadda did not refund, 3 days off to the paypal claim.
if he likes it or not. it is my money - he didn´t do anything for it and has no right to keep it.
and tomorrow is the third day he had the chance to refund. 6 days in sum..

I'm on your side, cuz. Get your money.



BBHMM Gang: Chargeback Division, Fool.

[TonK]

Really, if someone pays me on a Friday, say $1000 and i tell that person I might be able to get the item out on Saturday, that should be good enough. Any later than Monday is a no-no though.

I ALWAYS ship the next available day though, so I don't have to worry.

And if a 3rd party is shipping for me, I make sure they do it in a timely manner - as was the case with Wonderbanana today.

And even BitKid - there was a situation where the Ketsui I traded him was in for a battery replacement and ROM swap - I made sure to get his phone number and call him to go over the details. Easy deal, and made a friend out of it.

But I do agree that spending all of that money without having an immediate back-up source, worst case scenario, is very irresponsible.

HD will get his money back ASAP though.

People need to learn to take care of their customers and treat them the way they want to be treated.

Hopefully HD and Mmsadda learn a lesson.

[spadgy]

The lesson learned here is to be very explicit about the day you will ship/want shipping. Language is treacherous, especially for international communication. That considered, it's best to spell it out to avoid ambiguity.

The other thing (and I'm not saying this is a response to the sale in question in this thread) is to try and me nice and friendly and try to be understanding and patient. Being that way, in my experience, makes sales go better for all involved, and makes everybody a bit more ready to cooperate and be flexible. Sometimes it's tempting to jump to point the finger, but resisting doing so in too much of a knee jerk way can provide a far faster route to a happily complete/resolved sale.

And as others have said here, communication is perhaps the most important thing (behind honesty). As the seller, you should PM them every detail and update, and I hope I've always done so.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

As someone else has said opening a forum thread to ask other ppls advice is fine but any high ground that MmSadda had was lost when he resorted to calling HD a shitbag and other name calling. If you would of kept it civil you might of even been able to open a dialog with HD and dissmiss each others fears of the other party been a scammer.

Still there's alot of cash at stake here so its understanderble that ppl are gonna be on edge. I personally have only just got into the whole Play-Asia importing malarky, and havnt yet to started buying from privite sellers which seems to be a bit of a ball ache.

Anyone who doesn't falsify values on customs forms gets no business from me, period.
I don't pay tax premiums to buy people's old gaming shit, and I don't give a damn what the law says about it.

I was thinking of asking sellers to do the same when if I ever traded in the future. The idea of having to pay 20% VAT for anything over £20 doesnt sit with me so well and is the 2nd bigest issue that puts me off tarding internationally.

(RANT ON)Especially if the items are 2nd hand and the fact that the taxman actually owes me money due to overtaxing me from years ago which I never was reimbursed and that ive just had to pay nearly £500 for income tax from donkeys years back that their new and buggy as fuck (with incomplete or incorrect data) computer system has flagged up. Unfortunatly cos I didnt have any documents from that time period and the company closed long ago, I didnt have a leg to stand on or even find out if the charges were correct or not. I hear im not the only one as ppl up and down the country are been stung with simlar bills due to that fucking dodgy computer upgrade. fucking UK taxman! (RANT OFF)

It must be a pain for non euro sellers who are selling to europeans and are been asked to forge the invoice to 22 euros. How does that effect the situation if you get scammed or the item gets lost in the post? is there anything else that covers your arse allows you to to claim back the full money? (probably not)

[kernow]

oh my god













we're having a fire sale

[jepjepjep]

oh my god

From hearing both sides, I think the buyer was too impatient and the seller was too quick to react. It sounds like you guys are both trustworthy.

I thought it would be worth mentioning that in the US, some post office branches are closed on Saturdays, so it's not unreasonable at all to ship Monday. Also, what is an extra day or two considering that it's a $1K arcade board, it shouldn't exactly be an impulse purchase.

On the flip side, it's very uncool for the seller hold the funds ransom until his personal checking situation is cleared up.

[CptRansom]

it's very uncool for the seller hold the funds ransom

Hey, leave me out of this.

[Skykid]

that puts me off tarding internationally.

Ha ha

[Trevor spencer]

Id be happy to wait at least 5 days before someone on here shipped my item , even if it was $1000 , As i know 99% of people on here are cool and have real lives , jobs , etc etc