Rotate-able LCD Recommendations?

[BulletMagnet]

Forgive me if this is a duplicate topic, I'll delete it if it is - anyways, pretty much what the thread title says. A few years ago I remember seeing a bunch of monitors out there whose screens could be rotated (without modification) to display in "portrait mode" as non-shmuppers call it, but these days I'm having trouble tracking any down at a brick-and-mortar store: does anyone have any particular models that they'd recommend, and/or places to get 'em? It doesn't have to be very big (actually it shouldn't be big at all, as space is limited), but a standard set of inputs and decent performance and price would be nice. If there are any other considerations I should be mindful of feel free to mention those too.

As always, thanks in advance for any advice you might have in this area.

[Evilmaxwar]

Do you mean something that can be rotated with the included stand without the use of a vesa mount ?
I would think these types of monitors are probably intended for graphics and photography applications. If you use it for gaming i doubt those monitors will be optimal for response time and input delay.
I could be wrong but i would tend to think a decent vesa stand would be the best option. Then you pick a decent vesa mountable monitor.

Here is what i use.

Asus VW266h
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Ergotron dual stacking arm

*i bought the Cadillac of vesa articulated arm, there are much cheaper options. The screen , i chose it because its big and has very low input delay and fast response. Perfect for games, they make a similiar but smaller model i think. Asus might have come up with something better since i bought it. Im very happy with this setup.

*edit, also note all the inputs this screen has, i actually have 2 computers and one 360 connected at the same time, its crazy.

[SGGG2]

Here you go:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... _-24002524

It's an IPS panel so you don't have to worry about viewing angles.

[gct]

I'm using a BenQ XL2410T and quite pleased with it. 120Hz 3D-ready also, if that matters to you. No built-in speakers but it does have a 3.5mm audio pass-through. Viewing angles are so-so I guess, but if you are just playing alone then it isn't such a big deal. The best thing about it is the display modes. Lots of great aspect/1:1/simultaneous input modes.

Again, the default rotation is clockwise, but it is a standard VESA mount so it just takes a minute to fix it so it rotates the other way.

Purchased at my local NCIX with price-matching, it is definitely geared towards gaming so there might be a chance you can also find it locally.

[Evilmaxwar]

Here you go:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... _-24002524

It's an IPS panel so you don't have to worry about viewing angles.

OP has not specified if screen will be for gaming but i suppose it will. Im not sure i would trust this one for gaming. I would go for a TN gaming wise
In short : IPS = better angles, better image quality, can display more colors so no dithering.
TN = Crappier image quality and angles but faster response time and shorter input lag. (most LCD monitor )

hi end IPS are getting better for response but they are expensive.
In a few years things will probably be different.

[EllertMichael]

http://www.google.com/products/catalog? ... CEkQ8gIwBA#

the office I work in just got these new monitors, and I was surprised to see they come stock with a stand that allows for TATE. can anyone tell if they would be good for gaming?

[neorichieb1971]

I've used the 4:3 HP monitors for my PS1/2 and it didn't turn out good with an XRGB. Perhaps an SLG3000 would make it look better. Depends on if your sending it HD or not really.

[brentsg]

Here you go:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... _-24002524

It's an IPS panel so you don't have to worry about viewing angles.

OP has not specified if screen will be for gaming but i suppose it will. Im not sure i would trust this one for gaming. I would go for a TN gaming wise.

The one linked has been well tested and is great for gaming. TN panels look terrible in tate.

TonK just bought that one, check with him.

[Evilmaxwar]

Here you go:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... _-24002524

It's an IPS panel so you don't have to worry about viewing angles.

OP has not specified if screen will be for gaming but i suppose it will. Im not sure i would trust this one for gaming. I would go for a TN gaming wise.

The one linked has been well tested and is great for gaming. TN panels look terrible in tate.

TonK just bought that one, check with him.

Fine then. However my TN is all right when i tate it, as long as i sit in front of it that is, angles gets real crappy.

[brentsg]

It's just such a narrow sweet spot with tate TN. I'm using a TN panel right now and if I move my head up/down even a couple mm the screen starts to go dark.

That NEC has some online reviews where they validate latency and such for gaming. It's also one Fudoh and others on this forum have tested and recommended.

The stand also easily comes off in case the normal rotate direction isn't ideal for a particular game. Add an SLG3000 and it would be even better.

Note that the NEC is Displayport, so all you'll need is a $3 HDMI -> Displayport adapter from Monoprice for Xbox.

I did a lot of legwork figuring out what I wanted to buy, but I never pulled the trigger because I hadn't freed up space for the setup.

[BulletMagnet]

Thanks for the replies so far everyone: guess I'd best clarify some of the stuff you inquired/theorized about.

OP has not specified if screen will be for gaming but i suppose it will.

You inferred correctly.

Do you mean something that can be rotated with the included stand without the use of a vesa mount ?
I would think these types of monitors are probably intended for graphics and photography applications. If you use it for gaming i doubt those monitors will be optimal for response time and input delay.

Yeah, that was the original idea, as I'm not looking for anything too fancy, just something that performs capably - buying the monitor and a mount separately is another option, but a bit more complicated and expensive...shoulda figured that I wouldn't be getting out of this by just picking up something and taking it outta the box, heh.

No built-in speakers but it does have a 3.5mm audio pass-through.

That's actually something I hadn't even thought of...again, I was hoping I could just plug the cables from the system (primarily a 360) right into it as one would with a TV and be ready to roll, but with stuff like that that's not always standard.

Again, the default rotation is clockwise, but it is a standard VESA mount so it just takes a minute to fix it so it rotates the other way.

I'm not familiar with this sort of thing, but it doesn't sound like it'd be too hard to mess with...in any event, a lot of the tate-able shooters out these days allow you to flip the screen 90 degrees in either direction, so it might not even be an issue.

In short : IPS = better angles, better image quality, can display more colors so no dithering.
TN = Crappier image quality and angles but faster response time and shorter input lag. (most LCD monitor )

As someone else inferred earlier on I'd be playing mostly alone, so the angle probably wouldn't be TOO huge a deal...I assume that when you buy a monitor it tells you which of the two types it is in a semi-obvious place? Super-duper image quality isn't a huge concern, especially at the small screen size I'm seeking (neither is 3D-readiness, for the person who added that in), just a general "looks good" ought to cover my needs pretty capably.

Thanks again for the help, I'll keep looking around and taking suggestions.

[SGGG2]

I use an Asus VH236H, the "Evo" monitor, with a Ergotron Neo-Flex stand. The picture quality's fantastic, but the viewing angle in tate mode's an issue sometimes. Nothing major, but still, I'd go with an IPS panel if I were buying today.

[gct]

No built-in speakers but it does have a 3.5mm audio pass-through.

That's actually something I hadn't even thought of...again, I was hoping I could just plug the cables from the system (primarily a 360) right into it as one would with a TV and be ready to roll, but with stuff like that that's not always standard.

If you will use the monitor with game consoles, you will definitely want a monitor with some kind of audio processing ability so you don't get an audio dead-end with your HDMI cable if that's what you want to use. My previous monitor (Asus V242H) had audio input through HDMI or 3.5mm, and had audio output through internal speakers, 3.5mm, and coaxial S/PDIF, which I thought were very helpful. Keep in mind that built-in stereo speakers will tend to sound weird once you rotate the screen, not because they are being magnetically affected like a CRT but just because they are no longer oriented left-right, so I prefer to use headphones anyway.

Again, the default rotation is clockwise, but it is a standard VESA mount so it just takes a minute to fix it so it rotates the other way.

I'm not familiar with this sort of thing, but it doesn't sound like it'd be too hard to mess with...in any event, a lot of the tate-able shooters out these days allow you to flip the screen 90 degrees in either direction, so it might not even be an issue.

You're right, it's only really a problem with some newer PCBs and older console games, but if you need to do it - and pretty much any rotating monitor you buy will need it - just undo the 4 screws on the back, rotate the monitor anti-clockwise without rotating the base, and put the screws back in place.

Good luck, I would actually recommend the Asus monitors for value. They are relatively inexpensive, but you will need to buy an aftermarket rotating stand.

[Evilmaxwar]

In short : IPS = better angles, better image quality, can display more colors so no dithering.
TN = Crappier image quality and angles but faster response time and shorter input lag. (most LCD monitor )

As someone else inferred earlier on I'd be playing mostly alone, so the angle probably wouldn't be TOO huge a deal...I assume that when you buy a monitor it tells you which of the two types it is in a semi-obvious place? Super-duper image quality isn't a huge concern, especially at the small screen size I'm seeking (neither is 3D-readiness, for the person who added that in), just a general "looks good" ought to cover my needs pretty capably.
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When you see no info whatsoever regarding the type of lcd technology, its usualy a TN panel. If its an IPS or other non-tn technology it will be usually indicated in a semi-obvious place. The one info you pretty much never see in the manufacturer specs is input lag, people would no doubt become confused between input lag and response time, you have to dig independent reviews and if you are lucky someone will have measured lag somewhere.

I use an Asus VH236H, the "Evo" monitor, with a Ergotron Neo-Flex stand. The picture quality's fantastic, but the viewing angle in tate mode's an issue sometimes. Nothing major, but still, I'd go with an IPS panel if I were buying today.

I think asus make good panels for the price and they are specced for the gaming crowd, but yes they are TN panels... trying to play 2 players in tate mode likely would be an issue. I think maybe i would go for an ips too... But i like big screens and the performance advances seem to come later on the big screens. I am still unconvinced IPS is ripe for gaming, especially for big screens. In a few years though, i expect TN to become obsolete. Unless the world ends in 2012 of course.


All that being said, that small Nec IPS might be a good choice for BulletMagnet. Price certainly is right, you usually dont go wrong with NEC. if most reviewers agree it is fine for gaming, certainly is not as fast as the VH236H but if its decent enough, then why not?

[neorichieb1971]

Does the NEC make a good partner for the XRGB and/or SLG3000. I have both.

[TonK]

Just saw this thread now.

The NEC I got is amazing for gaming.

Have it hooked up VGA to my j360.

Any questions, pm me.

[BulletMagnet]

If you will use the monitor with game consoles, you will definitely want a monitor with some kind of audio processing ability so you don't get an audio dead-end with your HDMI cable if that's what you want to use.

I've only used HDMI briefly in the past, but was never particularly comfortable with it since it doesn't ever "snap in" and always made me feel like it could slip out if anything budged even slightly...not like I'd really need it anyway, since the screen I'd be using is too small to benefit much from 1080p.

When you see no info whatsoever regarding the type of lcd technology, its usualy a TN panel. If its an IPS or other non-tn technology it will be usually indicated in a semi-obvious place.

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

The NEC I got is amazing for gaming.

Have it hooked up VGA to my j360.

I am definitely intrigued by this model, and getting a VGA cable for the 360 would be no problem...I am curious as to whether it has any other inputs (component or composite, in particular) in case I want to hook something else up to it. Didn't see any signs of 'em in the NewEgg link...

[daigle]

http://promos.asus.com/US/PA246Q/index.htm

anyone hear anything about this?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6824236119
price aint too shabby

[alamone]

I really recommend getting a CRT instead, but if you want to use a LCD, I recommend the Dell 2209WA (older model - not sold anymore).
E-IPS, has almost no input lag, and rotates very easily - unfortunately it rotates the "wrong" way like most monitors, but you can easily remove
the VESA plate and rotate it yourself so that the monitor rotates in the "right" direction that most TATE games seem to require.

[BulletMagnet]

I really recommend getting a CRT instead, but if you want to use a LCD, I recommend the Dell 2209WA (older model - not sold anymore).

I already have a couple of CRT displays for my older systems; the main reason I'm seeking an LCD is for the newer stuff on the 360. Thanks for the tip on that model though, I'll keep an eye out.

[shmuppyLove]

I already have a monitor I really like that I'm not interested in replacing, but it only has a simple stand with no pivot. So I was shopping around for a stand or arm to mount it on, and I came across this on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0674043472

This is by far the cheapest price I could find for a stand with pivot, and the seller says it will accept up 24". And luckily the seller is local for me, so shipping is pretty reasonable considering the size and weight of the item.

Can't wait to TATE

[6EL3]

So would that NEC Monitor + J360 + SLG3000 + Joystick a pretty good starting setup?

[moozooh]

Wow, that NEC looks awesome, but it costs upwards of $500 here, which I couldn't quite afford. So what I got myself instead, and it wasn't without a hassle as the production has ceased, was Samsung F2080. It's a pivotable 20" C-PVA with =<1 frame of input lag, which is basically as low as it goes. The inherent disadvantage to that is lack of proper overdrive resulting in slight smearing on fast motion (especially noticeable on shade gradients and pastel tones, but nothing too criminal). Should be a lot cheaper than the NEC, though, as I got it for about $300.

[-SD-]

I have a pair of HP w2228h monitors that have HDMI, DVI and VGA inputs. They are rotatable clockwise, but with a small mod to the stand you can make it so they rotate anti-clockwise. I have currently one in TATE for the Dreamcast, but it's mainly for Outlook 2011, iTunes, Messenger, and other such work related things.

If any of the current models of HP monitors rotate, there's a good chance you can mod those to rotate the correct way for games too.

The native resolution of the w2228h is 1680x1050. Will the SLG3000 work ok at this resolution, or will there be problems like there is with 768p?

[BulletMagnet]

Pardon the bump, but I've finally got a bit of money saved up for a shmup-friendly flatscreen, and am trying to nail down a good choice for my situation. Including (but not limited to) the stuff mentioned in previous posts, here's the basic criteria I'm hoping to sniff out:

- Nothing too large, as my space is rather limited.

- If possible, built-in rotatable stand, though if it's easily attached to a "generic" tilting apparatus I could probably work something out.

- Again, if possible, built-in speakers.

- A good amount of video inputs, so as to hook up several different systems to it; VGA is a given, but I'd like HDMI and component too, if any such device features 'em all.

- Respectable viewing angle and input lag would be nice, though I doubt I'll require anything really high-end in this department for my purposes.

- Hoping to keep the price tag around 300 bucks, more or less.

Generally speaking, a solid, reliable, idiot-proof flatscreen that I can rotate to play my 360 (and a few other) shmups in tate mode. This thread already has a good amount of model suggestions, but if anyone has any others in mind that check off most of the boxes above I'm eager to hear 'em.

[BulletMagnet]

No additional advice to give? One last bump just to make sure...

[Guardians Knight]

did you get one in the end Bulletmagnet?

what did you go for and what stand? if you are in the U.K. i just found this one that is vesa if that makes any special difference:
http://www.falconcomputers.co.uk/generi ... =100025254

[Zapf]

The ones I've seen recommended for vertical setups in mame cabinets are the hp lp 2065 and the dell 2007fp. No hard numbers on lag though.

[neorichieb1971]

http://www.nec-display-solutions.co.uk/ ... LCD&e=e2s1

Which one of those is best for gaming?

[brentsg]

http://www.nec-display-solutions.co.uk/ ... LCD&e=e2s1

Which one of those is best for gaming?

The 23" e-IPS displays...