Legitimacy of "lagless"

This is the main shmups forum. Chat about shmups in here - keep it on-topic please!
User avatar
Mortificator
Posts: 2864
Joined: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:13 am
Location: A star occupied by the Bydo Empire

Re: Legitimacy of "lagless"

Post by Mortificator »

system11 wrote:
Mortificator wrote:
system11 wrote:it's a very good approximation of what the original game designers created. An emulation. An imitation.
Do you even know why they're called emulators? Hint: it is not the game that is being emulated.
No
OK, I'll explain it.
Paradigm wrote:The PCB is "the real thing". MAME is an emulator. It emulates.
It emulates the hardware.

I take one of my PS1 discs, put it in a PC, and play it in ePSXe. You'd have be be insane to say it's not the real game, because the real game is in the machine, being played.

I make an image of that game and play it in ePSXe. Nothing changes.

The real game is the code. The disc / ROM chips / whatever is just the storage medium. Emulator, Super Gun, and port users play on different hardware than in the arcade, but the game is equally real on all four platforms.

I wonder if book forums show the same confusion about Kindles and the like? "It's not the real book, even though every word the author wrote is the same, because it's not on paper!"
RegalSin wrote:You can't even drive across the country Naked anymore
User avatar
system11
Posts: 6290
Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:17 pm
Location: UK
Contact:

Re: Legitimacy of "lagless"

Post by system11 »

Mortificator wrote:Do you even know why they're called emulators? Hint: it is not the game that is being emulated.
system11 wrote:Yes
OK, but I'll try to be clever with semantics while actually parading my ignorance like a banner of pride.
Note how two can play at the childish comment edit game.
System11's random blog, with things - and stuff!
http://blog.system11.org
User avatar
Vyxx
Banned User
Posts: 1020
Joined: Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:13 pm
Location: Ontario, Canada

Re: Legitimacy of "lagless"

Post by Vyxx »

Guys, this is beginning to get a little too close for comfort.
User avatar
mjclark
Banned User
Posts: 1384
Joined: Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:04 pm
Location: UK Torquay

Re: Legitimacy of "lagless"

Post by mjclark »

Mortificator wrote:I wonder if book forums show the same confusion about Kindles and the like? "It's not the real book, even though every word the author wrote is the same, because it's not on paper!"
Yes- if they had page turning or speed reading competitions, the Kindle users would experience less page turning lag and therefore be accused of cheating. They would also be savagely condemned as inferior for not having the "real experience" of owning the books.
The actual book owners would buy translations of their favourite books in languages they don't understand in order to "support" the publishers and would be indignant that the Kindle owners didn't do the same.
It would be generally held that only books from a single japanese publisher were worth reading and all other books were rubbish because they were "too slow" or didn't have enough letters on each page.
Also anyone who downloaded their ebooks from torrent sites would be publicly shamed by insecure booksellers who were only members of the forum in order to profit from it financially by touting their own bookshops.
But then again, it is possible to take some metaphors too far :D
Last edited by mjclark on Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:13 am, edited 5 times in total.
Image
User avatar
Despatche
Posts: 4253
Joined: Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:05 pm

Re: Legitimacy of "lagless"

Post by Despatche »

Mortificator wrote:I wonder if book forums show the same confusion about Kindles and the like? "It's not the real book, even though every word the author wrote is the same, because it's not on paper!"
Your point is true, but the above is worse than car analogies and you know it.
Rage Pro, Rage Fury, Rage MAXX!
User avatar
louisg
Posts: 2897
Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:27 pm
Location: outer richmond
Contact:

Re: Legitimacy of "lagless"

Post by louisg »

Oh holy hell, this thread is the lamest thing I've seen in a long time. Did someone above just post that emulators are better than PCBs because they have save states-- in a thread asking if just having lower latency is cheating? Not to mention all the points bloodf already covered.. that's.. um.. wow.

Anyway, my two cents are this: You're not playing Raiden; you're playing slow-ass bullet hell games.. and you're worrying about *lag*?

:P

(yeah, I like bullet hell stuff too, I'm just trollin' :))
Humans, think about what you have done
User avatar
RNGmaster
Posts: 2388
Joined: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:08 pm
Location: Seattle, WA

Re: Legitimacy of "lagless"

Post by RNGmaster »

louisg wrote:Oh holy hell, this thread is the lamest thing I've seen in a long time. Did someone above just post that emulators are better than PCBs because they have save states-- in a thread asking if just having lower latency is cheating? Not to mention all the points bloodf already covered.. that's.. um.. wow.

Anyway, my two cents are this: You're not playing Raiden; you're playing slow-ass bullet hell games.. and you're worrying about *lag*?

:P

(yeah, I like bullet hell stuff too, I'm just trollin' :))
Play Dragon Blaze and let's see what's slow.
User avatar
Demetori
Posts: 304
Joined: Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:25 am
Location: A Cave in New Zealand

Re: Legitimacy of "lagless"

Post by Demetori »

KINDLESHMUPS?
Google Translate tells me that Unlimited Mode "is for people who like festivals."
User avatar
Mortificator
Posts: 2864
Joined: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:13 am
Location: A star occupied by the Bydo Empire

Re: Legitimacy of "lagless"

Post by Mortificator »

system11 wrote:Note how two can play at the childish comment edit game.
It would be one, since I didn't edit your comment. That's beneath me.
RegalSin wrote:You can't even drive across the country Naked anymore
User avatar
austere
Posts: 680
Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:50 am
Location: USA

Re: Legitimacy of "lagless"

Post by austere »

Removing everything but a single word of post is editing though. Quite often legitimate editing, however in this case you failed to quote enough of what he wrote to show that he was obviously being sarcastic in response to a very condescending post.
<RegalSin> It does not matter, which programming language you use, you will be up your neck in math.
Post Reply