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Let me guess, the fund is called insurance right? :mrgreen:

By the way, I found Kaku's interview:
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I don't think he realises how long it takes to construct a proper enclosure. Nor the consequence of having an active meltdown which you can't get to because it's cemented down, lol.
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Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Insurance. Rich babies. Thousands are dead, and all they care about is their stupid boats.

Glad Magic Knight is safe, even though I've never encountered him here before.

Here's something cool. It's a NERV-style electricity monitor for TEPCO:
http://kanmisikou.net/lab/power/
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GaijinPunch wrote:My friend that lives here in Santa Cruz says there's a fund to help the boat owners in Santa Cruz whose boats were damaged by teh 3 inch tsunami that made it all the way to the west coast.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... fants.html

And what's not safe for infants in this case, is certainly not safe for adults. I hope our Tokyo residents have taken my advice and stocked up on water bottled before the crisis began. I would begin buying imported water at this point.
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So I'm assuming some radiation made it into the water table to cause this? At the levels they're talking about....is it just starting to surface or will it be within safe standards for adults and then slowly dissipate?

It's weird....last week Japan was news....this week it's barely even ON the news here. And it's not like the disaster has exactly gotten a lot better over the weekend...
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The news is only interested if it's getting worse =P. "Oh, you mean it's not going to be Chernobyl 2? Booooring. Oh, hey, Libya's getting bombed! Sweet guys, let's go check it out!"

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Is this over the hill yet? Or still more uphill climbing?
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The question now is how bad will the food supply get, as it seems the reactor situation is getting better... or at least showing momentum. The food supply one is indeed a little startling. Nobody in Tokyo drinks tap water. If they do, they've probably got a whole host of other issues that will kill them before any radiation-sickness would. Cooking with it is another story though. I personally don't cook a whole (hard boiled eggs & coffee is about it) so I'm not too bothered. However, I drink bottled water and the fact there's (another) shortage of it sucks.

As for austere's comment... the standard has been to buy as much as possible, so most people are probably in the clear for a bit. But, my guess is it'll take a while for supply to meet demand. Hopefully it's sorted when I'm back next week.
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I'm not really going out of my way to get earthquake updates from the major US media, but they definitely seem to have lost interest.
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Now I think the Japanese had nearly nothing left to eat (that includes the milk, spinach and other vegetable crops out there), those people working at those reactors must do something to cool them fast, or they'll just die trying. This what I said that those reactors have been tested to withstand magnitude 7.9, but unfortunately, it goes beyond the limit when it struck two weeks ago, resulting to this kind of radiation.
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Blackbird wrote:The news is only interested if it's getting worse =P. "Oh, you mean it's not going to be Chernobyl 2? Booooring. Oh, hey, Libya's getting bombed! Sweet guys, let's go check it out!"

Bloody vultures.
It's really too bad, I'd really love to read positive news now and then.
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It's really too bad, I'd really love to read positive news now and then.
our brains are hard wired for fear - unfortunately this is why news programming now is little more than a series of horror/scare stories.

I rarely watch TV in Japan , if i watch something it's usually something pre-recorded/downloaded/bluray etc. When i go back to the UK watching TV makes me feel odd indeed, especially the news. It's like a hint of news coupled with an overdose of Sam Raimi meets Michael Bay punctuated with dramatic THUDS and doom music and over produced CG visuals. I found it all surreal that "the News" has moved into this weird "entertainment" style
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maxlords wrote:So I'm assuming some radiation made it into the water table to cause this?
Nah... well, not directly at least. It's probably from all the venting, eventually it's going to rain and get dumped on a water supply somewhere. If it was reaching the water supply directly, it would be a lot more than 200Bq/kg.
GaijinPunch wrote:in Tokyo drinks tap water. If they do, they've probably got a whole host of other issues that will kill them before any radiation-sickness would.
Yeah I was wondering who would drink tap water let alone give it to their baby, but then I realised a lot of people must boil it after they run out of bottled water. Kind of funny when you read the following quote, given it was false even before the crisis began:
The official added that it was safe for adults to drink the tap water.
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Been raining in Tokyo since Monday...

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austere wrote: Yeah I was wondering who would drink tap water let alone give it to their baby, but then I realised a lot of people must boil it after they run out of bottled water. Kind of funny when you read the following quote, given it was false even before the crisis began:
The official added that it was safe for adults to drink the tap water.
Yeah, it's pretty nasty. For the general population, it's either filtered (rare, I think) or boiled for cooking. Nobody boils water to drink that I know of. Too easy to just buy bottled.
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CMoon wrote:It's really too bad, I'd really love to read positive news now and then.
You're in luck. Read here about this hero who saved his family and goes out to the flood area to save others every day.
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Wow, sure is a cool story :D
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Yeah I was wondering who would drink tap water let alone give it to their baby
formula + boiled then cooled to 70C water = baby milk

that's where the issue is.
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GaijinPunch wrote:
austere wrote: Yeah I was wondering who would drink tap water let alone give it to their baby, but then I realised a lot of people must boil it after they run out of bottled water. Kind of funny when you read the following quote, given it was false even before the crisis began:
The official added that it was safe for adults to drink the tap water.
Yeah, it's pretty nasty. For the general population, it's either filtered (rare, I think) or boiled for cooking. Nobody boils water to drink that I know of. Too easy to just buy bottled.
Your parents in law not into yu-zamashi? My wife's parents seem to think that boiling water and letting it cool instills it with magical properties that are great for babies ;) They live in Sapporo, where the water's a lot better, but I think they'd probably do the same in Tokyo...
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No idea, really.
Actually, wife does drink "boiled water" but it's mainly b/c she wants something hot to drink w/o caffeine... or sometimes flavor, as it were. I don't think this is common though. I would hope not.
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http://japantoday.com/category/national ... her-agency

If someone in Tokyo has a Geiger counter and encounters some of this yellow residue, can you please check it against a background reading? I find it hard to believe that Uranium (very heavy) would land that far away, but hey, you never know...
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If someone in Tokyo has a Geiger counter and encounters some of this yellow residue, can you please check it against a background reading? I find it hard to believe that Uranium (very heavy) would land that far away, but hey, you never know...
i think this was already debunked - the "yellow residue" is pollen!
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That's the problem though:

http://dailybruin.detroitsoftworks.com/ ... -chernobyl
Thinking back to 20 years ago, it’s the splashing in yellow rainwater that Antonina Sergieff vividly recalls.

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“We all jumped in the puddles with the yellow stuff. ... You don’t see (it in) the air, it doesn’t materialize. But when you see the yellow dust, you see radiation,” Sergieff said.

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It was not long after that residents in her hometown knew it wasn’t simply “pollen” – which is what government officials assured them, she said.

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Abrazhevich told her daughter that the government’s explanation was given in such a "calm voice" that no one recognized the danger.

“They told us not to worry. Not to go nuts. But then a very popular English radio station started broadcasting about the radiation. (The government) told us not to worry, that it was American propaganda to undermine our spirit,” Sergieff said.
Absolute trust in authority is a serious mental illness. They are probably right in this case but until someone tests it (which they said they haven't so far) we won't know for sure.
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austere wrote:That's the problem though:

http://dailybruin.detroitsoftworks.com/ ... -chernobyl
Thinking back to 20 years ago, it’s the splashing in yellow rainwater that Antonina Sergieff vividly recalls.

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“We all jumped in the puddles with the yellow stuff. ... You don’t see (it in) the air, it doesn’t materialize. But when you see the yellow dust, you see radiation,” Sergieff said.

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It was not long after that residents in her hometown knew it wasn’t simply “pollen” – which is what government officials assured them, she said.

...

Abrazhevich told her daughter that the government’s explanation was given in such a "calm voice" that no one recognized the danger.

“They told us not to worry. Not to go nuts. But then a very popular English radio station started broadcasting about the radiation. (The government) told us not to worry, that it was American propaganda to undermine our spirit,” Sergieff said.
Absolute trust in authority is a serious mental illness. They are probably right in this case but until someone tests it (which they said they haven't so far) we won't know for sure.
This, and for people who think that "it only happens in autocratic and communist countries", most european government claimed that Chernobyl's cloud stopped at the boarder.
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kyuzo wrote:My wife's parents seem to think that boiling water and letting it cool instills it with magical properties that are great for babies ;)
radiation aside, doesn't boiling water kill most bacterias in there and make it safe? that's what i always thought.

but then tap water over here is considered safe anyways, so i've never read much into it.
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GaijinPunch wrote:No idea, really.
Actually, wife does drink "boiled water" but it's mainly b/c she wants something hot to drink w/o caffeine... or sometimes flavor, as it were. I don't think this is common though. I would hope not.
My missus does the same. Don't get it myself, I think boiled/warm water tastes like crap, but she reckons it's a lot better for the gut than the cold stuff.
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ryu wrote:radiation aside, doesn't boiling water kill most bacterias in there and make it safe? that's what i always thought.

but then tap water over here is considered safe anyways, so i've never read much into it.
It kills bacteria, but it won't remove contaminates. A water purifier will be necessary for that. I use a Zero Water pitcher that I got at Target, and I love it. It removes the calcium, limestone, heavy metals, and fluoride (nasty evil stuff) from the water. They even give you an electronic measuring stick to test water quality. I wonder if they sell anything like that in Japan. There are other water filters in the US, like Brita and Pur, but they don't come close to Zero Water.

You'd be surprised what any given municipality will allow in their tap water, such as allowments of arsenic particles per drop of water even. It's freaky. And they dump fluoride into the water as a way of disposing of fluoride, a toxic byproduct of industrial waste, under the false pretenses that it's healthy for our teeth. It's everywhere here, and I assume it's the same in England. Hey, if the Nazis did it, I guess it's good enough for the rest of the world.
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Japanese authority finally raised the INES level to 6. They're also finally admitting that unit 3's reactor vessel has been breached. Pretty soon they'll be briefing you on the rest of the things posted here, so if you want to hear next week's news, just go back a few pages. :roll:
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You got a link to that information, austere?

Man, that's bad news. Things seem to be stabilizing now that they are getting the equipment working again, but it seems like a lot of serious damage has been done already.
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Sure, here's two that pop up from google news (I originally heard it on a satellite station):

Unit 3 information:
http://www.bellona.org/articles/article ... orerupture

Level 6:
http://www.arirang.co.kr/News/News_View ... category=2
(Still level 5 on here http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_imag ... 56350P.pdf)

EDIT: On the bright side, looks like Unit-1 is getting freshwater, though this may be old news. This will stop the surface of the fuel and the vessel from having accelerated corrosion.
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