Naomi-ports for PC?

lewisit · Post by **lewisit** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:50 pm

now that my (forth or fifth) DC finally died I wanna at least have some Naomi-games (I just love that era/style) on my PC...

i know of a few Naomi-to-PC-ports but maybe I'm missing some:

Crazy Taxi
The House Of The Dead 2
Musapey's Choco Marker
Puyo Puyo Fever
Sega Marine Fishing
Shikigami No Shiro II
The Typing Of The Dead
Virtua Tennis

(no shmup - WTF ?!?)

Jonathan Ingram · Post by **Jonathan Ingram** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:55 pm

I know it`s a bit off-topic, but why not just try Dreamcast and Naomi emulators instead? They`ll run on just about any PC these days.

Obiwanshinobi · Post by **Obiwanshinobi** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:11 pm

Shikigami no Shiro 1, 2 and 3.

Jonathan Ingram · Post by **Jonathan Ingram** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:17 pm

Shikigami no Shiro 3 is a Taito Type-X game, I think.

Obiwanshinobi · Post by **Obiwanshinobi** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:23 pm

Not ported from NAOMI, but available for DC and PC alike: Sega Swirl (freeware) and Grandia II.

BIL · Post by **BIL** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:28 pm

Jonathan Ingram wrote:Shikigami no Shiro 3 is a Taito Type-X game, I think.

Yes - also, the original SNS is a Taito G-Net game. It's only SNSII that's Naomi.

lewisit · Post by **lewisit** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:34 pm

Jonathan Ingram wrote:[...] try Dreamcast and Naomi emulators [...]

I did that of cause and the outcome was buggy & laggy on my mediocre PC - whereas the PC-ports of e.g. Virtua Tennis & Choco Marker work like a Dream(cast)

Obiwanshinobi · Post by **Obiwanshinobi** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:45 pm

Again, not exactly NAOMI, but Panzer Dragoon port isn't bad. Dunno how Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut fares on PC.

TransatlanticFoe · Post by **TransatlanticFoe** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:19 pm

Forth or fifth DC? How hard have you been hammering them?! *touch wood* mine's still going strong after 11 years.

Is the emulation all that solid? I got NullDC running but it wouldn't boot anything

I'd quite like to have a backup option if my DC does fall over.

lewisit · Post by **lewisit** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:35 pm

as I was told it's my smoking-habbit that kills all my laser-based equipment (DCs, DVD-players, DVD-romdrives, etc.)

Obiwanshinobi · Post by **Obiwanshinobi** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:12 pm

Can't you just clean the lens?
From earlier Sega hardware, there are PC ports of Virtua Fighter 2 and Virtual-On (with homebrew patches applied they even make use of hardware acceleration; this should allow you to force antialiasing and anisotropic filtering).
Mind you, Virtual-On runs at 60 fps, unlike compromised Saturn port.

Jonathan Ingram · Post by **Jonathan Ingram** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:18 pm

TransatlanticFoe wrote:Is the emulation all that solid? I got NullDC running but it wouldn't boot anything I'd quite like to have a backup option if my DC does fall over.

I get about 200-300fps with frame limiter off in NullDC. Most of the games I`ve played on it ran without any bugs(Ikaruga, Under Defeat, Zero Gunner 2, Rez, Bangai-O, Jet Set Radio, Senko no Ronde, to name a few). There`s another supposedly very good emulator called Demul that can Dreamcast, Naomi and Naomi 2 games, but I`m not sure how good the performance is since I only use it for Atomiswave emulation.

lewisit · Post by **lewisit** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:04 pm

mhn... this kinda goes in the wrong direction...

I will try to ask a better question than the original one:

recommend me some arcade-ports (2000 and newer) for PC outside the ones i mentioned in the first post

gimme some 3D arcade-bliss

Jonathan Ingram · Post by **Jonathan Ingram** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:43 pm

lewisit wrote:recommend me some arcade-ports (2000 and newer) for PC outside the ones i mentioned in the first post

House of the Dead III
BlazBlue: Calamity Trigger
BlazBlue: Continuum Shift(unofficial)
Street Fighter IV

Edit:

Guilty Gear X
Guilty Gear XX #Reload
Guilty Gear Isuka
Melty Blood: Act Cadenza ver.B

Obiwanshinobi · Post by **Obiwanshinobi** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:56 pm

Raiden III, OutRun 2006: Coast 2 Coast.
Not sure if that OutRun will run at proper framerate on your PC (which is rather important if you're after "arcade at home" experience), but Raiden III has fairly modest requirements.
There was a number of "futuristic" racers released for the PC, Power Drome (2004 remake) being the latest I can put my hands on. Moreover, bear in mind that Wipeout 2097/XL for the PC, although released in the last century's late nineties, supports hardware accelertaion (again, you can force AA&FA of quality unavailable back in the day) and outputs resolutions higher than the PSX version. Quite a few arcade-perfect or near-perfect PlayStation ports and arcade style games (Tekken, Ehrgeiz, Tobal 1&2, Starfighter Sanvein) you can emulate on your PC should also benefit from high resolutions, AA&FA. Same goes for the standalone Sega Model 2 emulator (less demanding than DC/NAOMI emulators). Well, Zero Gunner will be still ugly (some games are just like that; think R-Type Delta), make no mistake, but chances are you'll get full speed. Check out this Gunblade NY vid. If you can get down with the looks of emulated Silent Bomber, you're in for some good 3D arcadey fun on your PC (it won't be the same without vibrations and analogue stick, mind you; also, go for the Japanese version as it's import-friendly and has got better voice acting).
P.S. Stuff like iS: internal section doesn't age graphically, does it?

njiska · Post by **njiska** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:06 am

Jonathan Ingram wrote: BlazBlue: Continuum Shift(unofficial)

That's not a port, that's just straight up running the arcade software on your PC. And it tends to run like shit I might add.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:42 am

Obiwanshinobi wrote:Can't you just clean the lens?
From earlier Sega hardware, there are PC ports of Virtua Fighter 2 and Virtual-On (with homebrew patches applied they even make use of hardware acceleration; this should allow you to force antialiasing and anisotropic filtering).
Mind you, Virtual-On runs at 60 fps, unlike compromised Saturn port.

Inquiring minds want to know. Care to point me to one of those patches? The Googles do nothing.

Obiwanshinobi · Post by **Obiwanshinobi** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:09 am

Specineff wrote:Inquiring minds want to know. Care to point me to one of those patches? The Googles do nothing.

Frankly, I only read in gaming press years ago about a patch adding hardware acceleration to Virtua Fighter 2. Must be nearly as ancient as the game itself. No idea where you can find it now. I'd ask on dedicated forums. Some VF veterans may know something about it.
With Virtual-On things are even more cryptic, as Wikipedia article used to claim there was a Japan-only, accelerated (unlike the US release) version of Virtual-On for the PC (AND a dedicated twin stick controller for the PC, no less). Both statements sound dubious, but chances are there was a patch akin to that VF2 one.
I'll say it again - Model 2 Emulator (that's actually its name) is pretty good and uses hardware 3D by default.

Jonathan Ingram · Post by **Jonathan Ingram** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:00 am

njiska wrote:
Jonathan Ingram wrote: BlazBlue: Continuum Shift(unofficial)
That's not a port, that's just straight up running the arcade software on your PC. And it tends to run like shit I might add.

It`s a dump of the Taito Type-X game with a loader for PC, yes. It runs fantastically well too.

njiska · Post by **njiska** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:29 pm

Jonathan Ingram wrote:
njiska wrote:
Jonathan Ingram wrote: BlazBlue: Continuum Shift(unofficial)
That's not a port, that's just straight up running the arcade software on your PC. And it tends to run like shit I might add.
It`s a dump of the Taito Type-X game with a loader for PC, yes. It runs fantastically well too.

Must be your configuration. on either of my PCs it runs like absolute shit. Saw some improvements replacing the backgrounds, but still a very low framerate.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:30 am

Obiwanshinobi wrote: With Virtual-On things are even more cryptic, as Wikipedia article used to claim there was a Japan-only, accelerated (unlike the US release) version of Virtual-On for the PC (AND a dedicated twin stick controller for the PC, no less). Both statements sound dubious, but chances are there was a patch akin to that VF2 one.
I'll say it again - Model 2 Emulator (that's actually its name) is pretty good and uses hardware 3D by default.

Ah, okay. Thanks for the info. Guess I'll get the emulator, or stick to the PS2 version. (Has some blurry filtering that drives me insane)

The accelerated Virtual On was either a demo version, or a limited edition running on PowerVR cards. I think Sega and NEC made it to showcase what the chip could do, given it would end up being used for the Dreamcast. I know it exists because I saw a screenshot on either Next Generation or GamePro back then.

And because PC Engine Fan X told me so.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:44 am

Check out this Gunblade NY vid

I have a feeling Gunblade isn't the same if not played with a huge shaking machine-gun. The sensation you have after a session of it is awesome.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:08 am

^^ I can confirm so. I have the Wii Gunblade and L.A. Machine Guns, and the rumble is sorely missing.

mesh control · Post by **mesh control** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:57 am

I wish someone would hack Giga Wing Generations to be able to boot up in Windows, like Blazblue's dump.

Obiwanshinobi · Post by **Obiwanshinobi** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:42 pm

HYDRO THUNDER.
Max resolution only 640x480, but on a CRT set to 100 Hz, with forced antialiasing x6 and anisotropic filtering x16, it looks pretty good. Supports analogue joysticks (and joypads), complete with force feedback. Loads much faster than the Dreamcast port. Tested on WinXP.

D · Post by D » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:48 am

lewisit wrote:
Jonathan Ingram wrote:[...] try Dreamcast and Naomi emulators [...]
I did that of cause and the outcome was buggy & laggy on my mediocre PC - whereas the PC-ports of e.g. Virtua Tennis & Choco Marker work like a Dream(cast)

What was the Choc Marker pc port actually called? It´s not even listed on gamefaqs

lewisit · Post by **lewisit** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:01 am

it is simply called

download from the developer's site for free, if you haven't already:

http://e56.info/choco/

BPzeBanshee · Post by **BPzeBanshee** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:38 am

Jonathan Ingram wrote:
TransatlanticFoe wrote:Is the emulation all that solid? I got NullDC running but it wouldn't boot anything I'd quite like to have a backup option if my DC does fall over.
I get about 200-300fps with frame limiter off in NullDC. Most of the games I`ve played on it ran without any bugs(Ikaruga, Under Defeat, Zero Gunner 2, Rez, Bangai-O, Jet Set Radio, Senko no Ronde, to name a few). There`s another supposedly very good emulator called Demul that can Dreamcast, Naomi and Naomi 2 games, but I`m not sure how good the performance is since I only use it for Atomiswave emulation.

You've had more luck than me when it comes to NAOMI games, I can't get a single version of Senko no Ronde (and Ive downloaded a few) to work.

Beyond those though, as a Dreamcast emulator nullDC works pretty damn well, I believe its one of the few that are still updated and runs better for Dreamcast-related games than what Demul did when I tried it last. There are some bugs with stuff like movie cutscenes I've noticed but for more typical Dreamcast games that arent irregular rarities like Segagaga (which was my main test game) nullDC should work perfectly if set up correctly.

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