Wondering if the PS2 will get any more Cave ports...

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:10 am

Now that it's gotten Mushi, I was just thinking about whether or not the PS2 will get any more Cave shmup ports before it's lifespan is up.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:25 am

If so, I might want to see Ibara most of all, just because it's a bit different.

Post by **system11** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:27 am

If there are any more Cave games ported within the next 8 months they'll have to be PS2 as the PS3 isn't even going to be out until next spring. Depends on what Cave releases before then really... I'd still like to see Ketsui ported - I think they recognise the demand for a port of that game, they (well .. Arika, if it would be them to port) need to stop this idiotic PS3 port fantasy and just do the job.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:01 am

bloodflowers wrote:Arika, if it would be them to port) need to stop this idiotic PS3 port fantasy and just do the job.

Mihara has made it crystal clear that that won't happen, and why it won't happen.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:05 am

It's not like as soon as the PS3 comes out, every developer in Japan will collectively drop their PS2 development kits and beginning developing soley for the PS3. Being that most shooters don't need the additional power the PS3 will provide and it would be cheaper to develop for the PS2, continuing to port shooters to the PS2 makes a lot more sense. That being said, who knows, if anything my guess would be Ibara.

LoneSage · Post by **LoneSage** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:16 am

I think it'd be super-cool if what happened with the PS1 in death will happen with the PS2...Gekioh Shooting King, Shooter Space Shot, MLF, Sol Divide.

Now having ESPgaluda, the Psikyo Shooting Collections, DDP-DOJ at budget priced. Mmhmm.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:35 am

Now having ESPgaluda, the Psikyo Shooting Collections, DDP-DOJ at budget priced. Mmhmm.

Budget prices? Galuda & DOJ still fetch 4000-5000 yen. Or are you referring to budget prices compared to the PCBs?

Post by **system11** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:38 am

GaijinPunch wrote:
bloodflowers wrote:Arika, if it would be them to port) need to stop this idiotic PS3 port fantasy and just do the job.
Mihara has made it crystal clear that that won't happen, and why it won't happen.

I'm sure this has been covered on the forum already - I just checked a load of old threads with search and can't find anything - could you elaborate please (probably for the 7th time...)?

Darkcomet72 · Post by **Darkcomet72** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:39 am

Gamecu*Get's shot*

I still can't get over it.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:46 am

Nemo wrote:It's not like as soon as the PS3 comes out, every developer in Japan will collectively drop their PS2 development kits and beginning developing soley for the PS3. Being that most shooters don't need the additional power the PS3 will provide and it would be cheaper to develop for the PS2, continuing to port shooters to the PS2 makes a lot more sense. That being said, who knows, if anything my guess would be Ibara.

Agreed about the adequate power of the PS2 for most shmups, although I would have to imagine that Type-X shmups would benefit at least somewhat from the PS3's increased power.

I would LOVE to see Ibara get a release as well, but I guess, more spefically, what I'm trying to ask is if there will be any ports of any of Cave's past games, like Ketsui, ESP RA.DE., Dangun Feveron, Progear, etc.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:47 am

New topic: Wondering how many Cave ports are "enough" for people who aren't finishing them.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:59 am

Rob wrote:New topic: Wondering how many Cave ports are "enough" for people who aren't finishing them.

Nice one! But still I wonder if any of Cave's shmups, prior to Mushi, will see PS2 releases.

Arika Shmika, couldn't Cave just do some more direct ports, like they just did with Mushi.?

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:25 am

If anyone knew, there would be a topic posted about it.

I might buy Galuda and Mushi just for safekeeping since it seems the prices on those might only get higher as time goes on...But I haven't even cleared the first loop of DOJ yet

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:25 am

could you elaborate please (probably for the 7th time...)?

Well, quite a few people that fancy themselves experts argue that "If you can do DOJ, Galuda, or even Mushi on the PS2, you can do Ketsui". Mihara even said in his blog, "I've gotten a lot of emails from overseas asking why it can't be done." He said over, and over, and over again that it just won't work. To put it bluntly he said, "Trust me! It's not like porting ESPGaluda which was just barely feasible".

While he does admit that in a very painstaking effort they could probably do an "arcade port" (meaning it runs in arcade mode, and only arcade mode. You play, continue, and that's it... the only extra feature over the PCB you would get is a pause feature) but with such a project, there's "sales and added value barriers". If they had no budget and time they could do a better port, but price of the games are alraedy decided (5800 yen, no?) so they'd lose do.

He finishes the blog saying they won't sell a half-assed product.

In a nutshell, he's not saying it's technically impossible... it's just technically impossible to do without losing money do to the work involved. In an earlier blog entry he said that for the DOJ port, considerable time (a month or so?) was spent with Cave, just having the code (Assembly I believe) explaiend. On a seperate occasion, in the Famitsu DOJ port interview with him, Clover-TAC and a few others, he said the hardest part of the DOJ port convincing Arika's sales division to take on the project.

Arika Shmika, couldn't Cave just do some more direct ports, like they just did with Mushi.?

EDIT: Cave did do the Mushi port it turns out... in a very clandestine fashion.

I might buy Galuda and Mushi just for safekeeping since it seems the prices on those might only get higher

Galuda, yes. Mushi, no. Just my two cents... seems Mushi got plenty of publicity.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:43 am

Also, Mushi's published by Taito. I expect it to be released as a Taito budget release soon enough.

mannerbot · Post by **mannerbot** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:45 am

Why do you even care when it seems, from previous posts of yours, that you don't like Cave games?

And while my copy of Mushi hasn't arrived yet, impressions lead me to believe that the quality of the port is a bit below that of the job Arika did with DOJ and Galuda. That's better than nothing but certainly not ideal.

8 1/2 · Post by **8 1/2** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:37 pm

Oh children, will you ever be happy? It's a little shimmery. It's missing the wonderful practice options and replays. It's also damn close to the arcade and less than a tenth of the cost. It's so deep and has so many different aspects to it that I expect to be playing it for the next year. If Arika had never done the previous two games no one would even blink at the Mushi port.

And you're never going to see Cave's older games coming out on PS2. It's the same issue with Ketsui. Cave is a small company. Would you rather see them stop making new games so they can concentrate on publishing their old stuff? Perhaps someday in the future, four or five games from now, the demand for their stuff will be such that a publisher comes to them wanting to do a history collection, but I think that's the only chance of that ever happening.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:04 pm

8 1/2 wrote:Oh children, will you ever be happy?

Damn, I wish I'd been the first to say that...

Grinning Cat · Post by **Grinning Cat** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:04 pm

mannerbot wrote:Why do you even care when it seems, from previous posts of yours, that you don't like Cave games?

My thoughts exactly.

You've ranted several times about how you couldn't give a "rip" about the latest Cave releases...so what gives? Have you (finally) realized "teH oLE SkO0L ShOotArs" suck?

Valgar · Post by **Valgar** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:21 pm

I was reading older letters to CAVE and everytime a port is asked they say "ASK *****". If you want PROGEAR you have to ask CAPCOM. If you want Ketsui or something you ask a publisher. CAVE doesn't port games, they make Arcade games.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:31 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:
Now having ESPgaluda, the Psikyo Shooting Collections, DDP-DOJ at budget priced. Mmhmm.
Budget prices? Galuda & DOJ still fetch 4000-5000 yen. Or are you referring to budget prices compared to the PCBs?

He's talking about in the states where Gekioh, Gunbird, Shikigami 1 and 2, Sanvein and Sol Divide got budget releases.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:37 pm

mannerbot wrote:Why do you even care when it seems, from previous posts of yours, that you don't like Cave games?

And while my copy of Mushi hasn't arrived yet, impressions lead me to believe that the quality of the port is a bit below that of the job Arika did with DOJ and Galuda. That's better than nothing but certainly not ideal.

Well, I'm sorry, that you think it's unreasonable for someone who's first impression of Cave came from Saturn DonPachi, to have a change of heart about the company.

And as far as the quality of PS2 Mushi is concerned, I have never heard anything but good words about it, sans complaints about rapid fire.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:39 pm

8 1/2 wrote:Oh children, will you ever be happy? It's a little shimmery. It's missing the wonderful practice options and replays. It's also damn close to the arcade and less than a tenth of the cost. It's so deep and has so many different aspects to it that I expect to be playing it for the next year. If Arika had never done the previous two games no one would even blink at the Mushi port.

And you're never going to see Cave's older games coming out on PS2. It's the same issue with Ketsui. Cave is a small company. Would you rather see them stop making new games so they can concentrate on publishing their old stuff? Perhaps someday in the future, four or five games from now, the demand for their stuff will be such that a publisher comes to them wanting to do a history collection, but I think that's the only chance of that ever happening.

Exactly, will we ever be happy with shmup ports? That's a question we each need to ask ourselves.

But 8 1/2, I was in no way shape or form ripping on Cave, and saying that I'm not satisfied, I was merely discussing possibilties of some of their past games getting ported.

shariar07 · Post by **shariar07** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:40 pm

I'm happy and content right now, i will be tide over with Mushi and Raiden 3. I guess the next CAVE games that would be cool would be Espagualda 2, not too sure about KETSUI, but would love to see GUWANGE. I guess we just need to be patient, PS2 is looking great for SHMUP fan's thats FORSHURZ, hollar. Hate the game and not the player or the playerhater.

angrycoder · Post by **angrycoder** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:12 pm

dave4shmups wrote:
mannerbot wrote:
It's none of your business why I care, and if you continue to give me crap,, as you did earlier this week, you will be reported to the mods. I have had a helleva week this week, so if you know what's good for you, you will LAY OFF and do it NOW.

Nothing personal dave, but do you really think the mods are here to settle the petty disputes that arise over your shmup attention defecit syndrome?

pixelcorps · Post by **pixelcorps** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:23 pm

where can I see mihara's blog?

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:24 pm

EDIt, post deleted.

Post by **system11** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:42 pm

dave4shmups wrote:
mannerbot wrote:Why do you even care when it seems, from previous posts of yours, that you don't like Cave games?

And while my copy of Mushi hasn't arrived yet, impressions lead me to believe that the quality of the port is a bit below that of the job Arika did with DOJ and Galuda. That's better than nothing but certainly not ideal.
It's none of your business why I care, and if you continue to give me crap,, as you did earlier this week, you will be reported to the mods. I have had a helleva week this week, so if you know what's good for you, you will LAY OFF and do it NOW.

I would suggest you take a small break and calm down actually. We are not your personal bodyguards to be waved as a threat as soon as anyone makes a questioning observation.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:46 pm

shariar07 wrote:I'm happy and content right now, i will be tide over with Mushi and Raiden 3. I guess the next CAVE games that would be cool would be Espagualda 2, not too sure about KETSUI, but would love to see GUWANGE. I guess we just need to be patient, PS2 is looking great for SHMUP fan's thats FORSHURZ, hollar. Hate the game and not the player or the playerhater.

I agree, and I cannot wait for Raiden 3!

I own a DC and a modded Saturn right now, and would like to add a Duo and JPSTwo as well. Methinks it wouud be wiser, however, to get the Duo first, and then wait for the JPSTwo to drop in price.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:47 pm

Alright everone, I apologize for overracting due to the week that I've had. I had a good friend die in a car accident, my "job" is falling through the cracks because the company to whom the drug test results were reported told the company who hired me that I didn't even come in for the blasted tests! All this, plus being chewed out by the mother of someone I was interested in for not being a pyschic and knowing she's engaged, and then being bitched out even more for choosing to honor the memory of my dead friend by writing her mother a letter, instead of attending the funeral.

OK, I feel better now. *sighs*

Back on topic, I chatted with Kiken last night about this thread topic, and he said that Ketsui would be more likely to get a PS3 port, then a PS2 port, because it was Mihara's pet child to begin with. Who the heck is Mihara, and what does that have to do with Ketsui coming out on the PS3 rather then the PS2?