Buying stock in CAVE

[supergrafx77]

I've decided if at all possible, that I would like to own stock in CAVE. I've done a bit of web browsing and can not find a database that can help me use the Japanese stock market to make it easy for me to purchase listed CAVE stock in the company.

[Skykid]

I've decided if at all possible, that I would like to own stock in CAVE. I've done a bit of web browsing and can not find a database that can help me use the Japanese stock market to make it easy for me to purchase listed CAVE stock in the company.

I can't see buying stock in Cave producing great dividends in future. I do see them growing as a company, but also reaching a plateau fairly soon. You'd be better off buying stocks in larger businesses (like banks).

I had the bright idea of buying stock in Nintendo right before they released the Nintendo Wii - and some asshole talked me out of it.

[supergrafx77]

I see your point about buying stock in Cave being a little risky but I want to support a company such as CAVE more than "big business," such as banks and other corps which I find to be more often than not, the bad guys of the world. I think CAVE, being a small niche company, has a huge future ahead of them still, especially how they have earned extra dough w/ the iphone games and matsuri events and think they are very profitable for being such a small company. Plus, I just like these guys and want to support only those who I believe in and appreciate. Banks, politicians and other "big business," won't get my investments or votes for that matter. Yet Cave stock feels morally right.

[njiska]

Go talk to a broker at your local bank. Probably the easiest way to find out about buying stocks on the Osaka Securities Exchange. http://www.cave.co.jp/company_e/overview.html

http://investing.businessweek.com/resea ... er=3760:JP
http://moneycentral.msn.com/detail/stoc ... =JP%3A3760

According to that info one share is worth about $1800 with 21,000 shares outstanding.

[supergrafx77]

Thanks for the link njiska!!! This is great information. I'm going to try and make this happen! Will post back when the shares are in my hand!

[drboom]

$1,800 a share...I wonder if Cave full kits will appreciate faster than their stock will gain in value - and you'll have something to play in the meantime!

[supergrafx77]

Price per share does seem very high. My hopes in buying shares has now been downsized to "a share." I think the share will hold more value than the pcb, full kit or not though. Wonder why "a share," is priced so high? Perhaps to keep outside investors to a minimum, so that there is no sudden take over by some entity that does not have Cave's core values in running their business model?

[njiska]

Price per share does seem very high. My hopes in buying shares has now been downsized to "a share." I think the share will hold more value than the pcb, full kit or not though. Wonder why "a share," is priced so high? Perhaps to keep outside investors to a minimum, so that there is no sudden take over by some entity that does not have Cave's core values in running their business model?

I think you're reading a bit too much into it. Shares are high because of the relatively low number available. Keeping a high price doesn't discourage a takeover, but it does stifle the trade of smaller shares. Anyone's guess as to why Cave doesn't do a split to bring the price down.Business was never my strong point.

[Skykid]

I see your point about buying stock in Cave being a little risky but I want to support a company such as CAVE more than "big business," such as banks and other corps which I find to be more often than not, the bad guys of the world. I think CAVE, being a small niche company, has a huge future ahead of them still, especially how they have earned extra dough w/ the iphone games and matsuri events and think they are very profitable for being such a small company. Plus, I just like these guys and want to support only those who I believe in and appreciate. Banks, politicians and other "big business," won't get my investments or votes for that matter. Yet Cave stock feels morally right.

Supporting Cave by buying shares is a different story, I figured it was an attempt at sound financial investment. Unfortunately I don't concur that Cave has a 'huge' future ahead of them unless they stop making the games we love and start investing their expertise into the type of games we hate.
At $1800 a share, knowing you've done something right by the company is all the benefit you're likely to reap tbh. If you want to really support them you'd do better to buy their future PCB releases at retail.

[supergrafx77]

I had a family member stop over Thanksgiving and he noticed my cab in the basement I've been renovating and asked, is that a cave game? This guy doesn't usually play games at all but to my astonishment, he had DFK for his iPhone. I had thought about CAVE stock before, but it all seemed to hit me that when this guy who doesn't play games, having a CAVE game, buying stock may perhaps be a sound investment. I hope CAVE keeps to its original 2D roots/style for this is why I like them. DSIIX I had to sell. It made me sick like I was getting epilepsy and vertigo, just trying to look at the graphics. I seriously doubt they will divert too much from their quality known in their arcade releases.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

Hehe I suppose buying stock is one way to get Cave to listen to its non Japanese fanbase

Not that youll see me buying any, the only experience ive got with share is Railroad tycoon on the amiga Question: does it work the same in RL as in the game where a company can divide their shares up if they so wish?

[brentsg]

Hehe I suppose buying stock is one way to get Cave to listen to its non Japanese fanbase

Not that youll see me buying any, the only experience ive got with share is Railroad tycoon on the amiga Question: does it work the same in RL as in the game where a company can divide their shares up if they so wish?

If I understand the question correctly, yes. At least in the USA, companies can do a stock split.. so anyone who had 1 share at $300 would then have 2 shares at $150, or whatever. It doesn't change the overall market capitalization, but some people think it makes a stock seem more affordable. Generally I think companies like their per-share price to be similar to their competitors.

[chempop]

Interesting how they cost so much per share, I'm honestly not sure what the reason for keeping it so high would be. Seeing as how your non-gamer fried recognized a Cave game, it might not be so unlikely that their business grows exponentially in the coming years.

I remember when Apple's stock went from dirt cheap to outrageous back maybe 10 years ago or so. I think it has spilt at least twice since then. If I had invested a few grand when their candy iMac line hit the market I'd be pretty much set for life by now

I didn't know Nintendo has shares open to the public, if so, then before the DS/Wii would have been a great time to invest.

[Skykid]

I didn't know Nintendo has shares open to the public, if so, then before the DS/Wii would have been a great time to invest.

Well I'll tell you what, if you could confirm that it would take a weight off my mind.

I always regretted not going in and buying some shares. I believe they were about £380 per share iirc right before DS came to market. I just had a good feeling about the DS, but I had no idea it was about to put Nintendo firmly on top of the business gaming world.

[Ex-Cyber]

Anyone's guess as to why Cave doesn't do a split to bring the price down.Business was never my strong point.

My guess would be that there are few smaller traders of Cave stock to worry about in the first place, i.e. most of the stock is already owned by people/companies who are interested in specifically owning Cave, and not just owning some arbitrary profit-generating shares. As I understand it, a stock split creates some administrative hassle in exchange for making the stock easier to trade. If there's little trade going on either way, there's no upside to the split.

[zlk]

Thanks for the link njiska!!! This is great information. I'm going to try and make this happen! Will post back when the shares are in my hand!

I looked into this a while back. The Japanese stock market has some rules against individual foreigner investors owning stocks. I think you can buy stocks through intermediate groups, but unlike owning a stock in the USA, you will never get your hands on a physical share. There were also some other problems and eventually I gave up trying to buy Cave stock.

[Limbrooke]

Thanks for the link njiska!!! This is great information. I'm going to try and make this happen! Will post back when the shares are in my hand!

I looked into this a while back. The Japanese stock market has some rules against individual foreigner investors owning stocks. I think you can buy stocks through intermediate groups, but unlike owning a stock in the USA, you will never get your hands on a physical share. There were also some other problems and eventually I gave up trying to buy Cave stock.

At 1800 dollars a share, I cannot see much benefit in doing so. I can see the entire premise of wanting to support the company (i.e., giving Cave millions of dollars? eh...) but it is probably best to stick with buying their goods/services. Buying stock to me doesn't represent anything beyond having an expensive poster or leaf.

[thewestexit]

Also, if you're buying shares on the open market, Cave wouldn't see a single penny (er, yen) from this. The only time a company gets money from stock is when they do an IPO or if they decide to issue more stock. Otherwise it's the same as buying a used game; money trades between the buyer and seller, but the originator sees none of it.

[rancor]

Also, if you're buying shares on the open market, Cave wouldn't see a single penny (er, yen) from this. The only time a company gets money from stock is when they do an IPO or if they decide to issue more stock. Otherwise it's the same as buying a used game; money trades between the buyer and seller, but the originator sees none of it.

That's exactly what I was going to post, so +1 to thewestexit - As others have said, the best thing you can do to support the company is:

1. Buy their software releases new.
2. Play the arcade games so that ops will hopefully see they are popular and purchase more PCBs.
3. Order items when they host their "matsuri" events.

In other words just buy their new releases. In any other event, you're just lining the pockets of second-hand dealers.

[GaijinPunch]

I think you're reading a bit too much into it. Shares are high because of the relatively low number available. .

Shares are high b/c it's a Japanese company. That's quite common. Nobody really saw the benefit of stocks being a retail business. What the fuck do you expect from a country that has .00012% interest rates.

FYI, Yahoo Japan at one point was about $100k USD per share. O_O

At 1800 dollars a share, I cannot see much benefit in doing so.

Hmm... price is irrelevant though (technically).

The Japanese stock market has some rules against individual foreigner investors owning stocks.

Without a visa, you cannot own much of anything. You definitely cannot have a bank account, so having any type of trading account that has Japanese assets in it is very likely the exact same. I've never tried though (even with a visa) as all my investments are in America. Your only bet would be to open up an account with a broker (domicile in Japan) and I just don't see that happening for an individual off shore. Not w/o a ton of money, anyway. This is not only the land w/ a big red dot on the flag, but is the land w/ red tape out the ass. Companies put Asian branches in other countries specifically b/c it's such a pain in the cock to do any of the above.

[DC906270]

Nintendo has had some profit falls recently. might be because they had such high ones when they released the wii i dont know.

[Skykid]

Nintendo has had some profit falls recently. might be because they had such high ones when they released the wii i dont know.

They've just sold through their core userbase now so there's nothing left to pillage. You're in the UK right, you must have seen the sudden advertising switch up since November? It's like every single ad break now. It was bad before, but since sales have slowed they're trying to reach the remaining households without DS's/Wii's with the most unashamedly disgusting marketing drive in gaming history.

I swear I was watching one and thinking "holy shit, this had better not turn out to be a DS commercial," and it was. The one with the old bastard and the mother teaching her kid to draw a flower, and the entire rugby team 'bonding' on the coach over a DS session.

Yuck.

[GaijinPunch]

Nintendo has had some profit falls recently. might be because they had such high ones when they released the wii i dont know.

Then high yen is crucifying them (as well as lack of sales domestically). They even stated that some 70% of their profits come from "overseas".

[Skykid]

Then high yen is crucifying them

Ergh, that economy has been on the ropes for a while now. Has the new government stepped in already?

[GaijinPunch]

Ergh, that economy has been on the ropes for a while now. Has the new government stepped in already?

Are you high?

[Skykid]

Ergh, that economy has been on the ropes for a while now. Has the new government stepped in already?

Are you high?

Yes.

[neorichieb1971]

I'd invest if they split the shares 50 times.

Japan is suffering economically because technology is slowing down. TV's, cameras, cars and so forth don't have anything else to offer. They are as small, as technical, as fast as they need to be. I don't know for sure but Japan outsources most of the manufacturing which is where the money is. In lifestyle terms its people like Apple that are pushing the boundary. If Japan wants to grow it needs to invent something new and keep it within the shores of Japan and export it.

I think the top brass in Japan is still raking it in though. Unfortunately that money isn't filtering down to Japanese folk.