2D or 3D?

[raigon50]

Got the idea to ask after playing RayForce and RayStorm.
I've seen a lot of 3d shmups coming out here lately, both indie and commercial. I personally think it's kinda cool to see the 3d computer generated graphics in a shmup, but shmups to me have always been the giant middle finger to the gaming business claiming "Losers, what the hell does realistic graphics have to do with a game being good?" (Notice that FPS are unusually popular these days...) Shmups also hold that old, awesome retro feel that nothing else can seem to imitate. Personally, I think 2d is better for a shmup, it makes it easier to play for some reason. 3d can look good, but to much 3d and the game becomes a pretty picture, hanging on your wall to do nothing but spark up meaningless conversation.

Before someone tries to drop a bomb, I will admit that the 3d did work EXTREMELY well for Ikaruga. I still feel that Ikaruga is the most beautiful game I've ever played. *sheds a tear of happiness*

[ケツイ]

2D FTW!

[DEL]

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[raigon50]

As for what you call 3D, someone once put things into perspective; "A real 3D game is a Holographic game. The rest is Pseudo 3D. ie. The illusion of 3Dimensions on a 2D screen."
Think about it....with a FPS for example, you're playing on a flat 2D monitor or television. The 3D is an illusion of depth.

So 2D works well on 2D screens. No problems with depth perception.

Meh. You know what I mean...

[THE]

2D or die!

Unfortunately no one besides Cave and us is making them anymore

will admit that the 3d did work EXTREMELY well for Ikaruga

And there's me thinking that Ikaruga was a 2D game

Ikaruga is as much 2D as Doom is. In both games you only move on a 2D plane, but the presentation is 3D.

[ZacharyB]

Hey developers, is 3D easier or cheaper to make? Or did everyone move to 3D because they had to maintain that look, that style, to survive in a modern marketplace?

I think shmups work especially well in 2D because you don't have to animate a lot of sprites (usually..) Just lots of bullet trajectories.

[linko9]

The Ray- games have a lock on system that lets you fire missiles into the background like Souky, right? If so, then there's actually 3D gameplay (sort of) in those games, as opposed to something like Ikaruga, which has polygonal graphics, but 2D gameplay. So your question is a bit confusing, but either way, I prefer 2D. The most impressive graphics I've seen in a shmup are in DDP, with games like Batrider, Progear, and even the indie shmup Hydorah looking awesome as well. Polygonal graphics look cool in some shmups, but can't hold a candle to sprites.

[DEL]

THE wrote

but the background is 3D.

fixed

[apple arcade]

I voted 2D.

Didn't even read the OP post.

[Zeron]

2D all the way


Gotta love that parallax scrolling.

[E. Randy Dupre]

Can't help feeling that this is a bit like going onto a nudist beach and asking people if they prefer nudism or swimsuits.

[ZOM]

Is this a trick question?

[Vyxx]

2D or Death.

[z0mbie90]

2D what else

[captpain]

will admit that the 3d did work EXTREMELY well for Ikaruga

And there's me thinking that Ikaruga was a 2D game

As for what you call 3D, someone once put things into perspective; "A real 3D game is a Holographic game. The rest is Pseudo 3D. ie. The illusion of 3Dimensions on a 2D screen."
Think about it....with a FPS for example, you're playing on a flat 2D monitor or television. The 3D is an illusion of depth.

Every game enthusiast who isn't being needlessly pedantic refers to games that use "3D" graphics engines to produce the illusion of depth as 3D games. Ikaruga is a 3D game, because it uses 3D graphics. Of course, the gameplay is in the style of 2D vertical-scrolling shooters.

"As for what he calls 3D" is what everyone else but you calls 3D.

[Aru-san]

2D IS GOOOOOOOOOOLD

[KBZ]

I chose 3D because 3D very and the best

[Aru-san]

I chose 3D because 3D very and the best

3D ain't 3D unless you got the glasses (or a 3DS).

[gundamalpha]

The question may be more clear if ask "polygon or sprite?"

[Taylor]

Every game enthusiast who isn't being needlessly pedantic refers to games that use "3D" graphics engines to produce the illusion of depth as 3D games. Ikaruga is a 3D game, because it uses 3D graphics. Of course, the gameplay is in the style of 2D vertical-scrolling shooters.

"As for what he calls 3D" is what everyone else but you calls 3D.

3D graphics and 2D gameplay is referred to by pedants and non-pedants alike as 2.5D.

Hey developers, is 3D easier or cheaper to make?

Words cannot describe just how much more efficient 3D is to work with, especially when it comes to itteration and animation. There is no contest.

[Ed Oscuro]

I was torn between DOOM and Quake, but I ended up going with 3D because of Levelord.

Words cannot describe just how much more efficient 3D is to work with, especially when it comes to itteration and animation. There is no contest.

this, but it also seems fair to me to describe a big downside to 3D: collision (especially in twitch shmups games)

When did y'all start calling "3D graphics, 2D gameplay" "2.5D?" There were some games from back in the day (Pandemonium etc) that qualify, but I don't know of them being called that at the time.

Of course DOOM has been called 2.5D (in light of Quake etc. being "True Lo-Rez 3D!!!") and that use has been around most of this decade. Reclaiming the honor of egoshooters, yeah!

[Jockel]

I voted 3D.

[evil_ash_xero]

I went with 2D. There's some very beautiful 3D shmups(not many though), but 2D has more detail and is easier to pull off with a small budget. So, there are way more good looking 2D games.

[captpain]

3D graphics and 2D gameplay is referred to by pedants and non-pedants alike as 2.5D.

Yeah. Even in games like DOOM, which are intuitively '3D'.

[gray117]

good execution...

All things being equal - a 3d route often requires a greater comprehensive solution whilst offering greater flexibility. A 2d route often offers greater control, whilst taking away flexibility.

Whilst things are never equal in the 'real' world, many creators often find limitations can help focus their intent and efforts.

The existence of the 2.5d term, is a very interesting linguistic tool to describe an co-creation of 2d and 3d aesthetic abstraction combined with an understanding of play as a set, or sets, of common rules.

[Demetori]

Do I like 2D or 3D? 2D.

[Edwards80]

I'm not an artsy type of guy but I far prefer the 2D artwork to 3d polygons etc. 3D stuff can look awesome but nothing beats the 2D charm

[Shelcoof]

Where is the option for any?

When it comes to shmups it doesn't matter. As long as the game is done well and plays good then I'm cool.

However though for 2D style fighters I preffer full 2D none of that 2.5D crap.

[Zeron]

I cannot believe there are actually people who voted for 3D and 2.5D

[Marurun]

Considering I actually draw pixel art and work with 2D graphics I'm going to say 2D. BUT, I do like the prerendered stuff in Cave games when done right. So I vote 2D.