celebrating my 1st 1cc(1st loop tho)

[Aguraki]

finally cleared 1st loop of Donpachi with a decent score for me.

I haven't super skills and this is the result of hard work only.
Used to play shmups when I was younger(I'm 33 now) but since starting again I seriously doubted I could clear something with my poor skills.
This game is probably the only cave I will bother with as I feel bullet hell shmups are too epileptic for me.

weeeeeeeeeeeee really really happy

[mirkvid]

Congrats dude! I only have 2 1cc's under my belt but they were both really rewarding. Keep on shooting and they'll start to add up!

[crackfox]

Well done man!!!!!
I am yet to get my first 1CC...
Hats off to you!!!!

[kengou]

Congrats! Donpachi is a really tough one too!

[njiska]

Technically that would be your first 1-ALL, but still, well done good sir. Well done.

[Aguraki]

eheh thx guys.
1-ALL I don't know I thought this meant both loops.

I'm very happy with this cause it shows how much work can do when you're not sikraiken
Obv can't compete with scores but at least it's cool to think "I've done it!"

Ahaha I'm so thrilled lol

[njiska]

1-ALL = First Loop All Clear
2-ALL = Two Loops All Clear

At least that's been my understanding. Makes it nice and easy to say, "On one credit I cleared X Loop of X game."

[chempop]

Congrats! What is your setup, console, PCB, or emu? Using stick or pad?

I just finally got the 1-all on DDP last weekend! Didn't know if it would ever happen, but I just couldn't give up and eventually I figured out a safe enough route through the last couple stages which seemed impossible for the longest time. Far more of an accomplishment in my opinion than players who just watch superplays and mimic the pros, ehem <cough cough, most people here I'm guessing> To each their own I suppose.

[Smraedis]

You have to start somewhere
It took me a long time to 1 loop DonPachi, I must add.

[Aguraki]

1-ALL = First Loop All Clear
2-ALL = Two Loops All Clear

ah yep makes sense now.

Congrats! What is your setup, console, PCB, or emu? Using stick or pad?

I play on differents MAME(UI32 137,wolfmame 0.99,etc...) depending of what I'm playing.
When practicing I play on wolfmame since it has savestates but to the full run I played on regular MAME 137 as I don't have the restart syndrom with that one and just play complete runs.
I was doing great playing each single stage but the when going for a full run I always tilted at unusual points(like losing before last boss to a bonus enemy),so I focused on the clear and played safer bombing in doubt,and not thinking about the score.
I use a playstation 2 like pad.

I figured out a safe enough route through the last couple stages which seemed impossible for the longest time. Far more of an accomplishment in my opinion than players who just watch superplays and mimic the pros

I probably wouldn't have done it without watching replays,or I wouldn't have done it that way though.
I mean if I didn't watch replays I would have gone a really lower score way without bothering chaining I guess.
But I didn't copy everything as everyplayer has his own level,and I can't dodge as well as some so had to change routes too when I really couldn't do it.
Changes that also provided some nice new chains I haven't seen in replays,so every player add it's own I think.

You have to start somewhere
It took me a long time to 1 loop DonPachi, I must add.

thx and also nice to hear you saying that.
a lot of people forget even top players have put work into it and are just in awe on the scores.

[RNGmaster]

Don't say you're not good enough for bullet hell games. Sometimes I find old-style shooters to be much tougher than, say, Mars Matrix.

[chempop]

I use a playstation 2 like pad.

Maybe that's why it took you so long to 1CC a game
I used to only use pads and I never have beat a game with one. Since using sticks for a solid year I've beat a whole bunch of games.
Might want to give it a try, takes time to adjust but in the end I think it makes a big difference.

a lot of people forget even top players have put work into it

Absolutely! And its important to remember that not every run is going to be your best. Heck, I think every 10 runs I do 5 are bad, 4 are okay, and 1 really is best I can do.

[drunkninja24]

Don't say you're not good enough for bullet hell games. Sometimes I find old-style shooters to be much tougher than, say, Mars Matrix.

Yeah, I can play a lot of bullet hells fairly decently, but shit like Raiden II still kicks my ass frequently.

[Drum]

I use a playstation 2 like pad.

Maybe that's why it took you so long to 1CC a game

I 1cc'd Gradius on a 1st gen PSP d-pad. I don't know if that's bad or good.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

Congrats on your 1st 1CC, its a buzz that beats most other types of gaming.

[Aguraki]

I don't know why but I feel I'm blind when I play DDP(and this one isn't the worse in term of flooding).
I also have a terrible time to see bullets in batrider/garegga and I love these games so it's very annoying.
Maybe I just feel better with aimed bullets than bullet hell patterns(cross patterns are a nightmare to me).
Donpachi fits me cause the visibility is good even when there are a lot of bullets.

Since using sticks for a solid year I've beat a whole bunch of games.

Ah yes I want to try that for a while now but I can't get one for now.
will def get one when I can.

Congrats on your 1st 1CC, its a buzz that beats most other types of gaming.

this is so true.
this little game with 5 stages and I played it hundreds of time to just complete the 1st loop.
talk about longevity!

[chempop]

I also have a terrible time to see bullets in batrider/garegga and I love these games so it's very annoying.

Same here, it's especially difficult for me since my Mame setup is on a smallish screen. I struggled with DDP for 10 years on this setup and when I finally got the Saturn port it only took my a week to beat - a lot can be said for playing on a setup that is the right size/distance/etc. I've noticed that playing DDP on mame can be choppy as hell which basically makes it impossible, you might want to try to adjust the framerate somehow and see if it helps. I've basically given up on Garegga until I find a Saturn copy I can afford.

Battle Bakraid has much more visible bullets, have you tried it?

[Aguraki]

Battle Bakraid has much more visible bullets, have you tried it?

bakraid seems more "clear" to me.
even managed the 11M 1st boss milk.

about my setup I haven't the best screen,only 19" LCD.
But I do with that for now,money money money eheh.

I know a lot of training can do much but I think I don't like huge fluo bullets flooding the screen,either I have eyes problems or it's just not for me lol.
Anyway I'm giving a try to a lot of games so never say never,sometime you find a game that fits you.

[Zeron]

about my setup I haven't the best screen,only 19" LCD.
But I do with that for now,money money money eheh.

You should get atleast a 19 inch 4:3 CRT you will be suprised how better it is even visually its superior in every way.

But yeah grats on the 1-ALL

[TrevHead (TVR)]

I dont know if you suffer the same as me but I suffer from eye strain with some bullet heavy danmaku like Edens Aegis and Exceed 3d Black package especially boss battles where the bullets are all swirllying around making it so I cant focus on my ship properly. My 20inch 14:10 LCD strains my eyes more then my 19inch CRT although turning down the brightness and contrast helps.

Unlike you Im perfectly fine playing DDP as the bullet density is quite small plus those big fat bullets Cave uses are better then those smaller one found in doujin shooters.

FYI for the mame verson garraga theres a cheat patch that changes the bullet colour to something more visable. Ive never bothered to explore the world of Mame cheats but there arnt all just inf lives some fix flaws in the original game. Ofc these are still cheats so you cant post highscores or what not as you do have an advantage over normal players.

@ Chempop have you checked out shmupmame for playing DDP? I found it to be very smooth (use the 32p .99 version as it lets you use save states where the other v1.5 shmupmame doesnt

[chempop]

@ Chempop have you checked out shmupmame for playing DDP? I found it to be very smooth (use the 32p .99 version as it lets you use save states where the other v1.5 shmupmame doesnt

I have not. Running Macmame on my old firsts gen G5 iMac and only a handful of games run nicely enough, the Raizings, some Psikyo, and Cave. DDP seems more choppy than RaDe, Guwange, or Progear, but I could be wrong.

Just tried Mame OSX on my newish Intel iMac, but the only shmup I got working was Boogie Wings, missing files in everything else.

I'm not sure what other options are out there, but you'll be happy to know that I DO Tate my old iMac

[Shuurin]

finally cleared 1st loop of Donpachi with a decent score for me.

I haven't super skills and this is the result of hard work only.
Used to play shmups when I was younger(I'm 33 now) but since starting again I seriously doubted I could clear something with my poor skills.

Don't doubt yourself that's really sweet you 1-All'ed Donpachi, that game puts me to bed around stage 3. While some people do have natural talent in this genre of games your skills are great in my book. Congrats!

[Aguraki]

Don't doubt yourself that's really sweet you 1-All'ed Donpachi, that game puts me to bed around stage 3. While some people do have natural talent in this genre of games your skills are great in my book. Congrats!

tyty!

I dont know if you suffer the same as me but I suffer from eye strain with some bullet heavy danmaku like Edens Aegis

To me it's the idea of being colorblind,which I'm not.
Probably just a mix of scared and lack of training/experience.

These games appealed a lot to me cause all these patterns looked really beautifull sometimes,but somehow I got bored by that kind of "ultra aggression"(visuals).
It was nice to see all these scores and bonus everywhere on screen but too many games followed this path and I actually don't like screens flooded with just bonuses and scores.
I think ESP RA.DE (with all the *16 on the screen) was well balanced with that and that followers just went on the "always more".
It got to the absurd point where you don't see anything more than a wall of numbers/bonuses/pink curtain.

That being said I like to play some of these games but never for a long time as I feel seizure is around lol.
Shit,am I a old fart already?

On the CRT topic and setup,I'll def do something about that(I'd love to play on PCB's so it's on my wish list).
I currently have a dual monitor setup so I could do something to at least play tate mode(yes I don't play tate too) on one but don't know if it's possible.
Will post in hardware thread about that.

ps:sorry for the approximative post,I did write it in several part and english isn't my 1st language.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

Without sounding elitist you really ought to play arcade games Tated as it just makes the expierence better in every way. Even though you only have LCDs and no rotating stand you could easily prop it against the wall, sitting it on something to stop it from slipping (ive seen a pair of trainers / shoes been used)

I myself didnt bother to try out Tate for ages, as i played mostly vertizontal PC shmups but as soon as I Tated my monitor to play DDP I had one of those "why didnt I do this sooner!" moments that I expect many shmup players experience when they Tate for the first time.

[RNGmaster]

I just made it to the final pattern of DDP first loop. I am stoked. 26739420 score as A-L, and I died right on the first laser of the final pattern with one bomb in stock. Accounting for about 4 bombs lost due to mistakes, a 1-ALL is a definite possibility. With C-L it'll be even easier to pass 1-3 and 1-5.

Is this related? I didn't know where else to put it.

[finisherr]

I FINALLY CLEARED THE FIRST LOOP OF DDP ON ONE CREDIT! I mean, this might be kind of a snoozer game for some of you by now, but this is the first shmup I've ever cleared on one credit. I remember a few months ago this game seemed impossible but now, after much practice/trial+error, I've discovered some safe routes that work for me and I finally made it through the first six stages.

To my surprise, I actually made it to the second stage of loop two with one life left from the first loop. I credit fed through the rest of the second loop to explore the levels. The stages are significantly more difficult and will take some serious rerouting and practice to defeat these levels the second time. It's almost an entirely new game! Kind of daunting, so I'm just going to allow myself to feel ecstatic about my first 1-ALL and think about a true 1CC some other time

[Aquas]

I FINALLY CLEARED THE FIRST LOOP OF DDP ON ONE CREDIT! I mean, this might be kind of a snoozer game for some of you by now, but this is the first shmup I've ever cleared on one credit. I remember a few months ago this game seemed impossible but now, after much practice/trial+error, I've discovered some safe routes that work for me and I finally made it through the first six stages.

Congrats man. You mention how the game seemed impossible at one point. I've noticed this mindset of shmups being impossible or too hard for people is prevalent in many non-shmuppers and shmuppers alike. It is a rite of passage to 1cc a shmup in a way. Not only do you discover the effort needed to accomplish this, but the door is opened on every other shmup that might grab your interest enough to train for that 1cc. And that exact interest is what makes a game fun to practice and just play! It may be somewhat elitist to say, but, just playing a shmup willy-nilly compared to the satisfaction of practicing to a 1cc is a different experience, and one definitely worth trying! If someone likes shmups... There's a shmup or mode of a shmup out there to 1cc for everyone. Find out what you are capable of and improve from there! Even if one has to make small steps at a time.

Sorry, it just bugs me a little when people I know claim the games are too hard but they like them. No, they're not too hard, they just don't care enough to know their potential! Shmups are an acquired taste in this sense.

God damn I feel dirty for saying "shmups" so many times.

To my surprise, I actually made it to the second stage of loop two with one life left from the first loop. I credit fed through the rest of the second loop to explore the levels. The stages are significantly more difficult and will take some serious rerouting and practice to defeat these levels the second time. It's almost an entirely new game! Kind of daunting, so I'm just going to allow myself to feel ecstatic about my first 1-ALL and think about a true 1CC some other time

Yes! A different and new game in a way!

[Siren2011]

Job well done! You're one step closer to 1CCing the monster itself: Do Donpachi Daioujou. With every easier Cave game cleared and understood, you gain more and more crucial experience to effectively handle the buttfucking bullet patterns in that game.

Of course another great approach is to be exposed to the game right now. Don't worry if you're not making much progress in it. That is to be expected from a beginner. The important thing here is that you focus on other STGs in the meantime, then go back to DOJ periodically to see how your accumulated experience has allowed you to improve.

Personally, I have yet to 1CC it, even though I've been playing it on and off for over two and a half years. The furthest I can get is more than halfway through the final stage, but I think if you tried hard enough, you can get to the 2nd stage boss within a week.

[Erppo]

Someone please explain me where do all these myths about DOJs difficulty come from (because it's not from playing the game, that should be clear). Only thing especially difficult about it was 2-ALLing the original version and that was mainly because of the completely sadistic extend and continue system of the second loop that made practicing it really hard for the arcade players.

Looking only at first loops, DOJ isn't really any harder than DDP to just clear. The only thing that might give you any more trouble is having to choose between a somewhat crippled shot type and less bombs. When comparing them to other Cave clears they are both pretty modest in difficulty with lots of stuff (Futari Maniac and looping Ketsui and Espgaluda 2 and ...) clearly above them.

[dunpeal2064]

Job well done! You're one step closer to 1CCing the monster itself: Do Donpachi Daioujou. With every easier Cave game cleared and understood, you gain more and more crucial experience to effectively handle the buttfucking bullet patterns in that game.

Of course another great approach is to be exposed to the game right now. Don't worry if you're not making much progress in it. That is to be expected from a beginner. The important thing here is that you focus on other STGs in the meantime, then go back to DOJ periodically to see how your accumulated experience has allowed you to improve.

Personally, I have yet to 1CC it, even though I've been playing it on and off for over two and a half years. The furthest I can get is more than halfway through the final stage, but I think if you tried hard enough, you can get to the 2nd stage boss within a week.

I found getting to 2nd boss only took me a day or two. stage 3 hurts though. Only made it to stage 4 once so far

... granted, I am playing BL. WL seems much harder to start out