Fuck yeah, Agetec: Fight the power

[Nuke]

I just hope there never will be a Cho Aniki booth

[BulletMagnet]

I honestly think that'd be kind of funny...amidst the rows and rows of booths with semi-sultry gals all over the place, there'd be this one station with a pair of overmuscled bikini-briefed dudes just kind of plotzed in there...can't say it wouldn't get people's attention, heh.

[The n00b]

I'm kind of disturbed with Dave comparing women who dress sultry to sluts. Seems like you've got some underlying problems with women there, buddy.

Anyway shouldn't Treasure or Sega be taking up this fight instead of Agetec, a developer known for cranking out one tired Armored Core game after another? Come on at least Nintendo paid some attention to the gameplay while milking its franchises to death.

[dave4shmups]

I'm kind of disturbed with Dave comparing women who dress sultry to sluts. Seems like you've got some underlying problems with women there, buddy.

Anyway shouldn't Treasure or Sega be taking up this fight instead of Agetec, a developer known for cranking out one tired Armored Core game after another? Come on at least Nintendo paid some attention to the gameplay while milking its franchises to death.

I didn't say, much less imply, that ALL women who dress sultry are loose. There's a difference between dressing attractive and sexy-like Hibana- with putting your body on friggin' platter. Underlying problems with women? You should talk after your "uptight chubby chicks" comment. Sure, I've got underlying problems with women because I believe that they ought to be treated, Heaven forbid, as more then just objects, as our pop-culture protrays them.

And I wouldn't gripe about Agetec; if it weren't for them, shmups like Strikers 1945 (II), R-Types and R-Type Delta might never have seen the light of day over here.

Whatever; this is my last post on this thread. If you cannnot be respectful of someone else's opinions, then don't even bother replying.

[sethsez]

Pop culture treats men as objects too.

[The n00b]

Pop culture treats men as objects too.

Yeah I really doubt Ah-nold got famous for his smart business atire and knowledge of classical literature. He knew what he was doing when he competed in body building competitions. He was not a victim. So why do we continue to treat all women, who do the same, like victims?

[dave4shmups]

Pop culture treats men as objects too.

Yeah I really doubt Ah-nold got famous for his smart business atire and knowledge of classical literature. He knew what he was doing when he competed in body building competitions. He was not a victim. So why do we continue to treat all women, who do the same, like victims?

Ok, point well taken guys; sorry I got all riled up. I guess it just makes me sad when ANYONE is treated like an object. Not much you can do about it I guess, in a culture that's so appearance-obessive.

[sethsez]

All cultures are image-obsessed to one degree or another because, quite simply, it's the first thing you notice when you meet someone and it's the easiest thing to notice.

Then again, I don't really have a problem with people being treated like "objects" and many of the people who do modelling aren't particularly crazy about being referred to as such.

[Nemo]

Pop culture treats men as objects too.

Yeah I really doubt Ah-nold got famous for his smart business atire and knowledge of classical literature. He knew what he was doing when he competed in body building competitions. He was not a victim. So why do we continue to treat all women, who do the same, like victims?

It's not the same thing, men aren't automatically objectified like women are. Women are expected to be sexually stimulating beings and those who aren't are essentially shunned by society. Men on the other hand can choose to be objectified (and the success of those who do often comes from men not women), but "ugly" men can be successful. We live in a patriachal society in which men have the power and women are still relatively subserviant, as a result, men establish the standards and trends. By nature, men are more visually-oriented than women, so they place a greater emphasis on looks than do women, that's why our society equates the success of women with being attractive.

Obviously as long as there's inequality, this trend will continue, but things are better than they were even 20 years ago so women no longer have to only "sell sex". The problem is many women don't want to get legitimate jobs because this type of work pays more and requires no skill, but even though they may choose this line of work, they can still be victims because they are placing themselves and their gender in archaic stereotypes which reaffirm social injustice.

[sethsez]

Or maybe they just get a kick out of the fact that people find them hot. Men who star in gay porn, CK and Abercrombie ads, etc are doing the exact same thing that "objectified" women are doing, yet nobody calls them on "perpetuating archaic gender stereotypes."

Equality is equality, and if some women want people to love them for their bodies, then so be it. Go to the gym and you'll find a building full of men who are into the exact same thing. And women don't love Tom Cruise, Leonardo DiCaprio and Orlando Bloom for their amazing talent (though I think Leo is actually a good actor).

For the record, I agree that there is social inequality between men and women in our culture, but I don't believe that "objectifying" has anything to do with it. Sex sells to both genders, and de-sexualizing women to gain "equality" is not only not going to work, it's a fundamentally flawed idea in the first place because that's inherantly unequal (unless all the sexy male stars are expected to gain 50 pounds and stop putting on mountains of makeup as well). Freedom and equality means that they're free to be as "shallow" as they want.

[Nemo]

Or maybe they just get a kick out of the fact that people find them hot. Men who star in gay porn, CK and Abercrombie ads, etc are doing the exact same thing that "objectified" women are doing, yet nobody calls them on "perpetuating archaic gender stereotypes."

That's because no such stereotype exists, so there's no role to fall into. It's similar to racism, if a non-black calls another black the "N-word" that is racist, but if a black calls another black the same word it's viewed as acceptable. In a way it is a double standard, but the social and historic significance of the act is what defines it.

Equality is equality, and if some women want people to love them for their bodies, then so be it. Go to the gym and you'll find a building full of men who are into the exact same thing. And women don't love Tom Cruise, Leonardo DiCaprio and Orlando Bloom for their amazing talent (though I think Leo is actually a good actor).

All these guys are talented though, they just also happen to be attractive to women. There is no denying that there are vain men out there, but most men that go to the gym do it as a hobby rather than a job. The few that do make a career of it have to put serious work in, and some people would go as far as to classify body building as a sport. This is a bit different than a booth babe who is supposed to simply "stand there and look pretty".

For the record, I agree that there is social inequality between men and women in our culture, but I don't believe that "objectifying" has anything to do with it. Sex sells to both genders, and de-sexualizing women to gain "equality" is not only not going to work, it's a fundamentally flawed idea in the first place because that's inherantly unequal (unless all the sexy male stars are expected to gain 50 pounds and stop putting on mountains of makeup as well). Freedom and equality means that they're free to be as "shallow" as they want.

I'm not saying women need to be de-sexualized, I'm a straight dude and I love sexy women. As a society, however, we need to progress away from creating roles that allow and promote woman to succeed soley on looks and sexuality. There's nothing wrong with a woman being a singer or an accountant that is also attractive and sexy, because their "sexiness" isn't what defines them rather it's only a charactersitic of them.

[sethsez]

And my point is that there are just as many professional male models as female ones. Hot actresses have talent aside from their looks, booth babes don't (at least not professionally). Hot actors have talent aside from their looks (although let's be honest, Orlando Bloom is where he is purely because of his looks), Abercrombie models don't.

If we're going to eliminate jobs in which looks are all that matter (and this won't happen as long as there are clothes to be modeled, bath products to be sold, and people who feel like watching porn), then we need to do it for both sexes. Anything else is patronizing.

[pixelcorps]

want to know some harsh truth about SOME (not all) of these freakishly orange, silicone pumped pastuches of femininity?

There's quite a lot that ARE hookers...

A certain publisher that will not be named used to (and I'm sure many others still do) hire hookers to be their "booth babes" so that the execs could get laid as well...

sick really....

E3 in general is just some horrific noisy marketing led mess.. it's best left ignored... unless you want to be bombarded by high decibel suro techno shite and line up for hours to see a fucking VIDEO of a computer game...

[D]

Agetec with a slogan, real games....

They used to port SNK fighters to other consoles, their efforts were not perfect, but could've been worse.

So real games..., real ports, perhaps today they are making unique games since SNKPLAYMORE no handles ports themselves.

I particularly liked Fatal Fury Spesial on the GG.

[magnum opus]

so on the sex sells note.

about a month ago i saw zoolander, and there's a scene where he goes back to work in the coal mine.
fastfoward a week. i'm watching TV and there's the supermodels (well what passes for one in a commercial) male and female working in this coal mine, not really working but like hauling small chunks of coal walking towards cave walls like they are going to work, all while looking fabulous of course.
then cut to a white screen "COAL FOR A MORE BEAUTIFULE FEATURE GE"
they used sex to sell coal fired power plants. think about that.

[The n00b]

I love the ignorance that goes with thinking that sitting and being pretty is easy or being a booth babe or model is "talentless."

There's nothing easy about it and most jobs really are talentless. Get over yourselves. I worked out with a part time model before and her work out routine was so harsh it would make some martial artists pass out. You have to watch your diet too. Really the only difference between us was that after my workout I go to my job. She goes to her job but in addition chooses to work conferences and conventions. That's right kids, many booth babes are in fact....part time models. She chooses to subject herself to slavering fat nerds and horny businessmen who think she's poor enough to want to sleep with them.

It's not anything I would subject myself to since I get enough crap at work. It's her deal though and brings in the extra crash while using the body she put her blood, sweat, and tears into in order to look good. So guys be nice to your local part time model because he or she just might return the favor the next time you are in a gym.

[TGK]

Well, the first thing I'd do with booth babes is to chat with her for a minute or two, test her out on a few things.

I haven't met a booth babe that really knows her stuff though. Not that the bb is talentless. There isn't any easy job in the world. But is she talented at the very object she's trying to sell, which is videogames?

I can see myself going head over heels for a booth babe who actually know (and can perform) the tap dodge motion.

[Ramus]

I think Agetec needs to get more sexy models if they want to sell more of their garbage they call "games". If a game is good- it's good- and people will buy and play it regardless of how many chicks they slap to the campaign. I see it as when there are more chicks that are standing around something they are trying to sell, they are trying to distract you from the flaws in their product. It's like picking up a hot hooker off the streets; It may look good, but after you pay for there services you may just found out you contracted an STD or found out the chick was a dude (No, I've never fucked a hooker- nor would I- so don't start bitching).

So basically, add more tits and ass to get more sales for your product. But I won't be fooled by the way they advertise something. Garbage is garbage no matter how many tits you wave in front of it.

[Andi]

But seriously, I'm no fan of how females are generally depicted in games (and most everywhere, really)...but of course, since I'm not a female, my opinion on such things really doesn't matter.

If a game has a lead female, I tend not to like it. Regradless of whether they have giant tits or whatever, they always make them too full of sass and 'tude.

[Specineff]

Psst. Beyond Good and Evil. Try it.