damn you cheaters, you're not supposed to use "mathematics" and "computers" !“Someone has used mathematics and computers to be able to work back to
what the master key is,” he said, declining to elaborate.
"Curse yooooooooooou!!!!!!"antron wrote:you're not supposed to use "mathematics" and "computers" !
HDFury3 + Hauppage 1212 PVR. Legally obtainable, royally frawesome. Bank-breaking, though.antron wrote:Do we even need to wait for a "black box" from China? Can't someone just make an HDMI capture card driver that uses this?
I thought they have already gotten the master key, from the first few lines of the article.Ex-Cyber wrote:edit: reading a summary of that attack again, it looks like that one only lets you get one of the device keys, not the master key (though doing it to enough devices might yield enough info to reconstruct the master key)
I'm guessing that the brainpower spent cracking HDCP is dwarfed by the brainpower spent developing it and getting all the relevant companies to buy into it in the first place. What are experts supposed to do when the "something more productive" (according to the economy) is actually less productive?neorichieb1971 wrote:I hate any kind of reverse engineering. People who have brains to do that can do something more productive with all that brain power.
They've actually tried to require manufacturers to do stuff like this, but doing it reliably without killing performance is kind of hard.Until manufacturers work on the basis that fiddling completely disables the device at hand, any protection will be cracked.
Personally, I'm glad some brilliant folks have pissed their intellect away on writing MAME drivers and such. Even more so, I'm glad they're allowed to do whatever they want with their spare time.neorichieb1971 wrote:I hate any kind of reverse engineering. People who have brains to do that can do something more productive with all that brain power.
I almost wrote a response to this as well, yesterday...interesting how this comment created so much response, isn't it. I wish people with brains wouldn't uselessly criticize efforts to drive along the state of the industry. I hate that people have to reverse engineer these systems because big companies and their cronies want to deprive us of their rights.neorichieb1971 wrote:I hate any kind of reverse engineering. People who have brains to do that can do something more productive with all that brain power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_v._AccoladePsychoGun wrote:I'm pretty sure reverse engineering can land you in huge fucking trouble. Especially when you're fucking with copyrighted shit, has nothing to do with math being illegal.
It's what Ben Affleck's character did in Paycheck and it was hella illegal.
That's what she said.ED-057 wrote:the analog hole has always been wide open.
RegalSin wrote:New PowerPuff Girls. They all have evil pornstart eyelashes.
Do you own a PC? If so, sell it.neorichieb1971 wrote:I hate any kind of reverse engineering. People who have brains to do that can do something more productive with all that brain power.
Well, you don't seem as close-minded about this as PaleoRichie so here's a link for you.PsychoGun wrote:I'm pretty sure reverse engineering can land you in huge fucking trouble. Especially when you're fucking with copyrighted shit, has nothing to do with math being illegal.
"Dirty" and "clean" refer to who is/isn't "tainted" by exposure to the original code. The way this usually works is that the "dirty" team reverse-engineers the code, figures out how it works, and writes documents describing how it works, with no actual code included. Then the "clean" team reads the documents and implements the clone or compatible system. The idea is that you can't (practically by definition) infringe copyright without access to the supposedly copied material, so if your code turns out to be suspiciously similar, you have a concrete defense against the accusation that it was copied.Ed Oscuro wrote:For software the idea is that the "dirty" team makes sure there is a working implementation (I guess) that can be used, and the "clean" side is the fallback option, in case there is the possibility of legal trouble.
To date, ARDI has used strictly clean-room reverse engineering in constructing its software, even though doing so has been less efficient than using dirty-room/clean-room reverse engineering. The benefit to ARDI of using strictly clean-room techniques is that ARDI has avoided the overhead of having separate dirty-room engineers and an intermediary. The significant drawback has been that ARDI's lower operating system layers are not sufficiently compatible to allow Apple's upper operating system layers to work with them. Such compatibility should be easy to provide using dirty-room/clean-room reverse engineering.
Yeah, like playing Dangun Feveron I suppose... Anyway, Ed's response was pretty good, but I just wanted to add that Reverse Engineering is actually a great activity to efficiently build up your knowledge of systems. It's also fun, I can't see how anyone could depict it as a waste of time.I hate any kind of reverse engineering. People who have brains to do that can do something more productive with all that brain power.
Under any circumstance, reverse engineering is fine, as long as you live in a civilised country. Like China, for example.Under some circumstances, Reverse Engineering is ok.
