1cc? you mean 1c1/2c.

Ramus · Post by **Ramus** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:01 am

I always believed 1cc meant you cleared everything including the second loop. It is an acomplishment to finish the first loop, but you are not a master until you finish it all (i.e. most Psikyo shmups). Has anyone here 1cc'd everything? 1cc'd a Psikyo game? Let me know what you think and if you have cleared ALL of something.

BTW, I'm not bashing people who only finish the first loop. I can only 1cc Gunbird 1 the first loop, but I don't think I can say I 1cc'd it because the game keeps going.

Cthulhu · Post by **Cthulhu** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:06 am

It varies depending on general and personal opinion and the game itself. I personally consider beating the first loop only as being a totally legit 1CC. The second loop is just icing on the cake for people who aren't sick of the game already to enjoy.

MSZ · Post by **MSZ** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:09 am

Ramus wrote:I always believed 1cc meant you cleared everything including the second loop. It is an acomplishment to finish the first loop, but you are not a master until you finish it all (i.e. most Psikyo shmups). Has anyone here 1cc'd everything? 1cc'd a Psikyo game? Let me know what you think and if you have cleared ALL of something.

BTW, I'm not bashing people who only finish the first loop. I can only 1cc Gunbird 1 the first loop, but I don't think I can say I 1cc'd it because the game keeps going.

I thought most mutli-loop shmups have more than 2 loops?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:11 am

You say tomato, I say tomato.

Cthulhu · Post by **Cthulhu** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:12 am

MSZ wrote: I thought most mutli-loop shmups have more than 2 loops?

Nah, there are a lot that stop at 2.

it290 · Post by **it290** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:12 am

Yeah, besides, most one-loop shooters are console shmups, and generally easier... I wouldn't say clearing Thunderforce III is more of an accomplishment than clearing the first loop of Gunbird 2...

Ramus · Post by **Ramus** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:13 am

I was kind of leaning towards the way of Psikyo shmups; but I what I mean is if you only clear 1 loop off a multi loop game are you really 1cc'ing it?

Cthulhu · Post by **Cthulhu** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:20 am

Ramus wrote:I was kind of leaning towards the way of Psikyo shmups; but I what I mean is if you only clear 1 loop off a multi loop game are you really 1cc'ing it?

If you're expecting a definitive answer you're not going to get one. There is no absolute answer. Psikyo never held a meeting or made a proclamation. It's not in the manual. Do -you- feel you 1CCed it?

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:20 am

I don't think you deserve a 1cc unless you masturbate with sandpaper.

MSZ · Post by **MSZ** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:26 am

CMoon wrote:I don't think you deserve a 1cc unless you masturbate with sandpaper.

Ouch that hurts. LOL

I think we should remove the 1cc list in the hi-score forum too.

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:29 am

To me, a 1CC is for the first loop only. Lots of games only had 1 "loop", and older titles "looped" indefinately.

russ · Post by **russ** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:41 am

Would clearning "normal" mode on Battle Bakraid in 1 credit be considered a true 1CC? If so... then I got my first arcade shmup 1CC a couple weeks back! On a related note, I am working on the advanced mission, though it's quite a bit more difficult

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:48 am

Ramus wrote:I always believed 1cc meant you cleared everything including the second loop. It is an acomplishment to finish the first loop, but you are not a master until you finish it all (i.e. most Psikyo shmups). Has anyone here 1cc'd everything? 1cc'd a Psikyo game? Let me know what you think and if you have cleared ALL of something.

I did, Sengoku Ace and Gun Spike (which is a Psikyo game, after all). Personally i claim the one and untamed 1cc when i can clear the loops too (and when the game doesn't loop ad infinitum, of course). When i can clear the normal round only, i usually state it...and yes, i don't consider it a 1-cc.And i still sleep confortably at night

Ramus · Post by **Ramus** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:50 am

Randorama wrote:
Ramus wrote:I always believed 1cc meant you cleared everything including the second loop. It is an acomplishment to finish the first loop, but you are not a master until you finish it all (i.e. most Psikyo shmups). Has anyone here 1cc'd everything? 1cc'd a Psikyo game? Let me know what you think and if you have cleared ALL of something.

I did, Sengoku Ace and Gun Spike (which is a Psikyo game, after all). Personally i claim the one and untamed 1cc when i can clear the loops too (and when the game doesn't loop ad infinitum, of course). When i can clear the normal round only, i usually state it...and yes, i don't consider it a 1-cc.And i still sleep confortably at night

Wow! Good job on the Gun Spike and Sengoku Ace. I suck at Gun Spike. It's too hard for mee to judge distance when the board is not a straight 2D board.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:58 am

The thing is, I sort of agree with you on the 1cc thing, but 1) most older games could never be 1cc'd (because they go on forever), and many newer games that have a second loop are simply too damn hard in the second loop unless you have Rando's skill. So maybe my 1cc of Batsugun special edition (a clear example of a game where you are mean't to finish the second loop) is a total cop out, but you know, I'm probably never gonna be good enough to finish the second loop AND my life is simply too busy to dedicate enough time to a game to get that second loop down.

In short. Give us something reasonable to accomplish! I think what Rando's done should be more than a 1cc. Maybe we need a special term for that, but for most of us, a 1cc (first loop) is special enough.

And sorry about the masturbating with sandpaper comment, but sometimes the superhuman goals some of you set for yourselfs verges on masochism.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:03 am

I consider any clear to the point of the game repeating itself a 1 credit clear. Who really cares. The only thing I hate is people clearing something like Psyvariar 2 with a less than single complete game and calling it a clear. That sticks in my craw for sure.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:07 am

Haha, count me for 'stickin' in your craw'...you're right, it is a really slimy 1cc, but there it is.

What do you think about the 1cc of Fire Shark on the genny. The issue is that default is easy. I could (and probably should) do it on hard at some point, but does this also 'stick in your craw'???

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:12 am

Fire Shark sticks in my craw. Easy never does it.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:14 am

Rob wrote:Fire Shark sticks in my craw. Easy never does it.

Fuck! Well I needed to go back and play Fire Shark anyway, I mean hell, it might be the best game on the genny (my favorite anyway). I'll try to cut down on my excessive 'crawedge' and be an upright shmupper from here forth!

zaphod · Post by **zaphod** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:48 am

Well for batsugun special version (or arrange mode on saturn port) a 1cc is ALL 4 LOOPS. No ifs, ands, or buts.

But usually doing the first loop is considered a 1cc. Gradius, salamander, r-type, many games loop indefinitely, and the first one counts as a clear. And soem games that just have a second loop, usually the first loop is enoug hof a challenge at arrcade defaults that itcan legitimately be considered a 1CC

IlMrm · Post by **IlMrm** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:32 am

For Psikyo games, I usually just say I 1CC(or SLC/no miss

) the first round, and reached 2-X.

zlk · Post by **zlk** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:00 am

In my opinion, 1 credit complete means COMPLETE. You need to finish all the loops the game throws at you PERIOD. If the game loops forever, it is impossible to 1cc it. If you didn't meet the requirements for the second loop, you didn't 1cc it.

Andi · Post by **Andi** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:00 pm

The only real question for me is Kingdom Grandprix. I consider myself to have 1 credited that game on racing mode, however, I didn't play 1st and therefore couldn't move onto the second loop.

So, it wasn't even an issue of beating the second loop as not even being able to play it.

sffan · Post by **sffan** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:09 pm

I've been to the 4th loop in Scramble, but I wouldn't call it a 1CC since it's not that hard to get through a loop and because it loops indefinitely.

Same with Time Pilot, although that's a little more difficult to clear. Oops I said "clear."

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:30 pm

Andi wrote:So, it wasn't even an issue of beating the second loop as not even being able to play it.

DDP has something like that too, doesn't it? You have to finish the first round without dying too many times, or score high enough or something like that in order to get to the loop...

As far as 1CC-ing goes for me, I just sort of keep 'em all separate...if I can finish the "normal" game of Bakraid on one credit, then I 1cc-ed that mode; if I manage Advanced, then I've 1cc-ed that. I don't think of myself as 1CC-ing "an entire game," but rather the separate difficulty levels and whatnot, I don't concern myself too much with defaults (though obviously if I can only one-credit a game on Easy but not Normal I'm not going to brag about it around here). Then again, "mastering" a game has never exactly been a prime concern of mine, so neither has a hard-and-fast definition of what "beating" a game is, I just kinda play however I feel like, heh.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:29 pm

Do you have to beat both the first and second quest of Zelda in order consider the game beat?

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:34 pm

Nemo wrote:Do you have to beat both the first and second quest of Zelda in order consider the game beat?

Do they loop? If not, only when wearing a yellow hat. And don't even try to question this condition, thanks

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:04 pm

In the original Zelda, after you complete the normal game, you have the ability to play a second quest which is the same game sans a few differences. It's essentially the same anatomy as shooting games in the fact that you have a normal game, and once the game loops, you're replaying the same game in a slightly altered setting. And given the fact that shooters are inconsistent in this structure, you can only base a 1CC on the normal game. The exception would be games like Batsugun Special where the parameters of the normal game are intentionally changed by the developers in order to make a multiple-loop clear an expectation.

zaphod · Post by **zaphod** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:57 pm

I'll give you an example from japanese culture. it should be very telling.
In karate, you start off a s a white belt, and work your way al the way up to black belt. This is quite an accomplishment, if the school is any good.

That is Shodan.. the FIRST STEP. it goes at least up to twelfth dan... yet people generally celebrate when they reach that "first step," even though the "true challenge" is the remaing dans (as people find out very quickly when they get corrected on their exercises that they did back when they were white belts!).

The analogy carries over quite well to shmups. generally beating the first loop of a multi-loop game is an accomplishment in it's own right.

jp · Post by jp » Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:13 am

The only shmup I can think of where I would only consider a completion of all the loops a 1CC is Batsugun Special... other than though, I just few the extra loop as "More points for the hardcore shmuppers score!" rather than something else that I should feel compelled to tackle.

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