XRGB-3 help. calling XRGB-3 experts

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humbug
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XRGB-3 help. calling XRGB-3 experts

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Hi

First time poster first time reader. I was refered from a member at racketboy forums as there is a member of the name of Fudoh who is the guru at this stuff... so please help

Anyway, so my problem goes...

So I was super excited when my brand spankers XRGB-3 came in the mail yesterday.

I hooked up my custom universal RGB cable to my MD2 and was a little disapointed.

My connections should be fine... for AV select it is tied to 5v and the other i think pin 16 is also tied to 5v... but it should be 1v right??? so do I need a resistor for that one?

Anyway... I don't have the 220uF caps on the RGB lines yet... because I am using the same cable for the saturn too. Anyway, I set the XRGB to 75ohm and I'm getting the RGB signal I think... but some of the sprites or shall I say contrasting colours leave like a shadow that stretches out over the right hand side.

And also the colour is very dark...

And then I tried to connect up my sega saturn... and i just can't get it to work... it keeps jumping between 15kHz, 45kHz and nothing... I can't even adjust the settings when it does that. I did manage to see the red signal come on screen once but I don't know how I did it :lol:

Do these sound like typical noob operating errors or is there something very wrong going on here?

Thanks in advance!
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... I'm sure fudoh, or other members, will chip in with more practical advice, but just to get you going fudoh's site - http://www.hazard-city.de/ ... http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/ is a section with a lot of xrgb specifics.

Of course if you're up for a bit more reading there's the xrgb 3 thread which must have covered most issues by now :) - http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6987

Apologies if you've already found your way to these :)
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:twisted:

Sounds about right.... just repost (without quoting) in the main thread.... The XRGB-3 has many adjustments and is intended for someone who likes to tweak settings! ;) List each "issue" separately (give each a line break).

:mrgreen:

And as always, do not connect SCART cables to the front input!!!
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I would simplify the connection. On the XRGB you don't need any voltage signals, neither for Pin 8 nor Pin 16. There are Scart ciruits out there which connect the sync signal to the voltage lines. Just throw them all out. Just R/G/B, Composite Video or Sync, Audio and one or two Ground lines.

Overall it sounds like a cable issue, not a XRGB settings mismatch.
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RGB32E wrote::twisted:

And as always, do not connect SCART cables to the front input!!!
What? nooooo but I just finished making that damn cable...

which is the best 15kHz input to use then? is it D1?

I'm going to be using sega master system, sega megadrive, sega saturn, sega dreamcast (VGA) and a PS2 (component)

I will have a read of those linkies above in my lunch break :D

Thanks for the replies guys!
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What? nooooo but I just finished making that damn cable...
he meant japanese RGB 21-pin vs. Euro Scart. Of course you can use the front Scart input, you just must not ever connect a Euro Scart cable to it, otherwise you're likely to blow your XRGB.
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thank god for that :lol:

just a quick question though...

I was reading the japanese manual on the train last night, and I was looking at the pinout... and I could see that pin 11 and 16 iirc was not used... (for AV select) do I need to still make sure I have 5v and 1v on those pins or leave them completly?

http://members.optusnet.com.au/eviltim/ ... escart.htm

Also for the above consoles, do I need to add the resistors and caps? I would have thought if I add resistors it would make the signal darker wouldn't it? or is it needed to get the right impedance or something like that?
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As said: On the XRGB you don't need any voltage signals. You can cut Pin 8 and 16 from any Euro Scart cable you use (with an adapter) and Pin 11 and 16 from any japanese RGB21 cable you use.
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I worked out what the problem is!

The root of all shit RGB comes from the Sync line. I changed over to composite for sync signal and all I can say is it looks beautiful!!!

Also I have a broken connection on my green and blue signal cables on my sega saturn... damn.

I scoped the Sync line and i would say 80% of the time it was giving a signal above 5v... where the comoposite was around 1v ish. That doesn't seem right to me.

Whats more strange is that I get a shitty picture with my MD2 using sync, but I actualy don't get any picture from using sync on the saturn... pergaps its broken? changing 60/50Hz doesn't make any difference.
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Also, what is better: DVI-D in B0 mode or VGA in B1 mode? Can DVI-D be used with B1 mode?
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humbug wrote:Also, what is better: DVI-D in B0 mode or VGA in B1 mode? Can DVI-D be used with B1 mode?
in B0 you will experience lag due to deinterlacing & scaling
sorry, only VGA in B1 mode
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How do I know if my XRGB is broken??

I have tried and tried and I cant get green to work...

my scope says it should be getting the signal but its not showing it on screen... it was working before but not any more

:cry:
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never mind guys

just turned out to be some shitty RCA fittings.
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