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Whats with all the movie remakes/reboots?

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robocop remake
total recall remake
me who hate women remake (so soon?)
conan the barbarian remake

spiderman reboot
fantastic4 reboot
punisher reboot

... just to name a few that havent been released yet.

why?

I cant see anyone ever take arnolds place in total recall or conan. Am I getting too old or something? I dont see the need for remakes. Leave it alone already :x
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It's Hollywood, man. Art and vision take a backseat to profits and licensing.

And then later they dare to claim that their losses are all due to piracy. Yeah. Right.

Good thing we have the interweb and vidyagames to save us from their garbage.
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People like safe and major corporations are no different.
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Every videogame is a remake or reboot. I haven't seen much original choice lately.

I agree some of those remakes are too premature. Total recall is 20 years old not 50.

Its also disheartening to see so many all at once. Maybe one every 2 years or so.

Apart from the ones mentioned there is, clash of the titans, Nightmare on elms street just passed.


Robocop needs a remake, it could do with one. As for the others, likely pure trash. I will say this though, my step kids have never heard of Back to the future or Indiana Jones. So I am going to make them watch them soon.
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It has only been going on for the entire past decade.

However, Conan is not a remake really. They are not remaking the Arnie film they are making an entirely new movies based on the works of Robert E Howard. I am positive the new movie will be very loosely based on his work and suck bad though. That dude they got playing Conan looks nothing like Conan should and what I have heard of the script crazy sucks.
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No, bad mushroom, bad. You can't steal my thoughts and then not even mention Drop Dead Fred Remake in OP. That's not cooooooooooooooooool

It's freakin' DDF. The only thing people remember is "No panties!"

And Bright Lights, Big City, makes no sense. "This was a mild flop the first time - the SECOND time must be a fountain of riches!!!"

There's a website for these things.

I clump in the adaption shit into the umbrella word "remake" as well. It's the same crap - taking something that already exists and then making an inferior version of it. Those you who are going to watch the Walking Dead AMC series but not read the dumb books: hate hate hate hate on all 30 feet of my circuits hate

Anyway, in general, the question of "why"?

Well, I think movies as an artform are dead. They're finished. Hear me out.

Here is an extremely nerdy analogy. In, say, Magic The Gathering, when they create a new card, it does one of two things. It's either stronger than the already existing alternatives and raises expectations, or it's not and is irrelevant.

This is an example of rising standards, and this idea is applicable to a lot of things. The cycle of a genre's rise and inevitable fall into the niche market amongst video games (don't think there will ever be a day when a call of nfl blitz game is as obscure as Dodonpachi? give it a few more decades), folks who want a bigger and better car / job / ladyfriend than their last one etc.

When I watched Terminator 2 for the first time as a lad, I thought to myself "wow - I wonder what awesome movies they will make later." And here we are sixty years later and - haha - not one movie has come out better than it in its genre. You remember that they had a helicopter fly UNDER an overpass in that movie right? Remember?!

Then consider: ~90 minutes is an extremely limited amount of time. That's ~two episodes of House M.D. In that time, well, can you really grow to love some characters? No of course not. That kind of attachment only applies to the actor, not some character you see for a couple minutes. Actors just play themselves. But in a more serious medium, you can get attached to a group of (relative) unknowns, like the cast of Star Trek: The Next Generation.

And the time constraint also retards massively the content that is presented. What new is there really to say in a genre flick, in those few minutes? What could be a beautiful arc in a tv series, is crunched and mutilated like a bonsai kitty. (Douchebags like Manoj know how to do this da best.) Remember how the first Jurassic Park had a nice beginning, but quickly devolved into an endless (filler) action sequence? Or other movies with predictable, rote, beats?

Also spending half the budget on some actor. Does it really even fucking matter anymore? If you picked some slob off the street, hosed him down, then advertised all over the place about the new exciting "Johnny B. Rottencrotch" movie, would that really be much less effective than Robert DeNiro?

If that money went to other things, maybe they could make me that new time traveling killer robot flick that's actually good.

TV series, now, can have budgets of more than a million an episode, and look just as good and have as many location shoots as a movie. And they have the luxury of giving more product in return. And serials can have deeper, more meaningful arcs. And can be watched without having to leave your house or spend money.

So, in conclusion, the movie as an art form is dead. All they're good for is spectacle (like a Mortal Kombat gorefest), random quirky weirdness, or strange old Al Gore wanting more of my money to build his time machine to demand a total recount of Florida instead of a partial one so the supreme court wouldn't have a flimsy excuse to not make him The Guy.

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I don't know man I just feel like writing essays tonight......... remember "remakes" like that Fly remake with Jeff, which was like a totally different but good movie? I miss when they used to do stuff like that...
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BryanM wrote:hate hate hate hate on all 30 feet of my circuits hate
Haha, enjoyed that reference. :mrgreen:
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I get you on the actor thing.

Brad Pitt has done quite a few roles where his name on the cover is the main attraction. He shouldn't have been in Snatch and Inglourious Basterds was perfect except for the scenes he was in. That Italian accent at the end ruined the whole movie.

Tarantino goofed.
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Octopod wrote:It has only been going on for the entire past decade.
Yea but it has really gone crazy the last few years
Octopod wrote: However, Conan is not a remake really. They are not remaking the Arnie film they are making an entirely new movies based on the works of Robert E Howard. I am positive the new movie will be very loosely based on his work and suck bad though. That dude they got playing Conan looks nothing like Conan should and what I have heard of the script crazy sucks.
New Conan doesnt cut it compared to Arnold in ANY way. That put me off big time, and if they cant find anyone that has the physical appearance why bother? Like the guy who plays Hercules in the tv series. jeez...
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BrianM wrote: I clump in the adaption shit into the umbrella word "remake" as well. It's the same crap - taking something that already exists and then making an inferior version of it. Those you who are going to watch the Walking Dead AMC series but not read the dumb books: hate hate hate hate on all 30 feet of my circuits hate
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RE Conan: The thing is, I know a lot of folks who don't appreciate the 82 Conan because it deviates from the short stories, but if you listen to the commentaries on the DVD and read up on it you realize these changes were very much intentional and an improvement (I think) on the source. I know the script they were working with at the time was total rubbish, but with a good director, they were able to streamline all the crap out and make a good movie that works so much better because of what it doesn't do. I have my doubts about a new Conan movie, but am convinced without the right director with the right vision, it will be shit.

Also needs a fucking epic soundtrack.
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CMoon wrote:Also needs a fucking epic soundtrack.
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I've heard that "I Spit On Your Grave" has been remade now as well. But Robocop? Really? Isn't that just the original showing in cinemas again?
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The Robocop molestation might be dead.
1up wrote:dumb books = the comics? Im hyped for that show, but Ive always been a fan of anything Zombies.
Ye..

At worst it'll end up as the average bad zomflick, where you hate the humans and the zombies become the protagonists who eat the bad evil people. But since it's the Walking Dead, it'll take many many episodes for each fatality...

I suppose I can't blame people for just wanting their entertainment beamed into their brains.....

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Specineff wrote:It's Hollywood, man. Art and vision take a backseat to profits and licensing.

And then later they dare to claim that their losses are all due to piracy. Yeah. Right.

Good thing we have the interweb and vidyagames to save us from their garbage.
Actually, your first two lines sound exactly like the game industry's current state :lol:
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Octopod's right:
It has only been going on for the entire past decade.
The death of creativity.
Taking an already made script & film and tweaking it is easy....and despicable :evil:
A movie should be art that lives on for centuries, but these people are lazy and the lowest common denominator of copying for easy profit.
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Either remakes or sequelizing (Sylvester Stallone seems to be on the sequel train a bit lately - new Rocky, new Rambo, new...Tango and Cash???)

And of course this isn't new...Assault on Precinct 13, The Prisoner...Miami Vice movie, and so on.

Forbidden Planet and, erm, They Live are safe, aren't they?

I'd like to see something new in the Millennium franchise, just for old times' sake.

Edit: For the hell of it, 1999's "Sleepy Hollow" was pretty damned epic. Well, I like the opening at least. Into the hole you go! Technically, that's a remake too.
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Ed Oscuro wrote: Forbidden Planet
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Well, they're remaking The Black Hole, aren't they?

Is nothing sacred? Not even lovable retro-robots?

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BIL wrote:
BryanM wrote:hate hate hate hate on all 30 feet of my circuits hate
Haha, enjoyed that reference. :mrgreen:

Is that from "I have no mouth and I must scream"?
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Aye, by way of the lovable AM.
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emphatic wrote: I've heard that "I Spit On Your Grave" has been remade now.
What a strange movie to remake. :?
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Ed Oscuro wrote:Forbidden Planet and, erm, They Live are safe, aren't they?
I sure hope so. I love 'The Live' and cant see how you can top Roddy Piper and a 5min back alley fight scene like that. Ive watched the first 4 eps of that 2009 V tv show, and it had the They Live vibe
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But does it have the vibe of V?
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Specineff wrote:Is that from "I have no mouth and I must scream"?
A reference to the crazy computer's rant of inscribing the word hate on his circuit board to convey his dislike of you, ye. Something like hate on the order of ~6.235 * 10^39 according to TvTropes, though I hardly see how that's an objective scientific measurement. I expect more from my crazy homicidal supermurder computers.

My own circuit board is nothing more than a wadded up sheet of meat, however. The upper bound of my hate threshold is significantly lower than AM's...
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As I remember it, in the original novella AM describes its hate by saying something like if all its memory locations were inscribed with "hate" it would still be such-and-such an amount short of the hate it actually feels.

I think the best measurement is the fact that it's trying to keep the last few humans alive just to torture them.
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I think he keeps them around so he doesn't get lonely.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:But does it have the vibe of V?
no :? But its been over 10 years since I watched the original show
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I couldn't believe they remade Last House on the Left.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:Sylvester Stallone seems to be on the sequel train a bit lately - new Rocky, new Rambo, new...Tango and Cash???
I give Stallone a pass because most all of the recent remakes/revivals have had no input from the original filmmakers. I haven't seen the new Rocky, which was pretty well received, but I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Rambo fuck shit up again. Then again, I may be one of the few people who actually miss the burly action heroes of the 80's and early 90's. Adrien Brody bludgeoning a predator just isn't very convincing.
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Acid King wrote:Then again, I may be one of the few people who actually miss the burly action heroes of the 80's and early 90's. Adrien Brody bludgeoning a predator just isn't very convincing.
Oh believe me, you're not alone. I just watched "Raw Deal" the other day after having it shelved for over a decade and enjoyed it alot.
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Acid King wrote:
Ed Oscuro wrote:Sylvester Stallone seems to be on the sequel train a bit lately - new Rocky, new Rambo, new...Tango and Cash???
I give Stallone a pass because most all of the recent remakes/revivals have had no input from the original filmmakers. I haven't seen the new Rocky, which was pretty well received, but I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Rambo fuck shit up again. Then again, I may be one of the few people who actually miss the burly action heroes of the 80's and early 90's. Adrien Brody bludgeoning a predator just isn't very convincing.
I haven't seen Sly's new stuff but I don't think it could be bad, since...it's Sly! And hell, Demolition Man was pretty good. I just ran across a rumor that Sly & Russell are talking about a new T&C - now that makes me scratch my head, even though the two like to work together.
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