indie shmup blog w/ XONA and udderdude, show some love :)

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indie shmup blog w/ XONA and udderdude, show some love :)

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EDIT: http://indiesuperstar.com/archives/1081
The article is out!
Thanks so much for the encouragement forum :)

I wanted to spread the love. I was exposed to some great INDIE games at PAX EAST 2010!
Some great developers are already featured on this brand new site:
http://www.indiesuperstar.com

anyone have any thoughts?
I find it to be a great read so far!
Does anyone know any shmup game devs? It would be great to have them on the site!
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You know, we have a development forum ..
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sorry, I didn't know that would be a more appropriate place for it... can someone move the topic?
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I feel your love.
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so I think Rockin Android posts here. I think it would be nice to talk to them about their dealings with the Japanese devs.
Of course I can switch on the nihongo and write some questions for the Japanese devs themselves if they wouldn't mind international superstardom :)
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I can talk about XOP .. like anyone particularly cares >_>

More than likely I'd just end up bitching about how every indie developer has the entirely wrong approach when it comes to making games. :P
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Udderdude wrote:More than likely I'd just end up bitching about how every indie developer has the entirely wrong approach when it comes to making games. :P
Do it.
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More than likely I'd just end up bitching about how every indie developer has the entirely wrong approach when it comes to making games.


Do it.

Nothing good can of this... :?
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what good were you expecting?

I want to bring one of my favorite genres some press. If someone makes for an interesting interview and enough shmups people come over and comment and re-comment about it, then I will be able to do more articles! :)
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I think you should do an article about Invader Attack and mention my next game Galaxide ... and then I'll truly feel love from your blog. Helping a new indie shmup developer out would be very rewarding for you, I assume.
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yes i would love to get some indie and doujin articles up covering the world of shmups.
We are working out the kinks and finishing up some seminal pieces. I am glad I have some guys from here to interview! Keep watching our site; shmups are sure to follow!
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I'm not from USA nor Japan, but I'm an indie shmup developer. My English is good as I worked for people from USA. If you get the chance you could mention my games on your blog. Hopefully, your love is not restricted and would spread worldwide, including me while spreading.
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edited my post, i meant to say indie/doujin without the geography restriction. we have already done some international interviews that are pending or posting.

I don't know if the term indie is tied to everything that is not in japan or if doujin and indie mean two different things or are different in Japan.
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I don't know what any of those terms means, I'm just making shmups currently. Anyway here's the development thread http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32212

Invader Attack is finished and was released mid April, I'm not sure about when the Galaxide will be finished, I'm programming as much as I can, but some parts are taking too much time.
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codergames wrote:I think you should do an article about Invader Attack and mention my next game Galaxide ... and then I'll truly feel love from your blog. Helping a new indie shmup developer out would be very rewarding for you, I assume.
I love how you self-promote yourself and your "next-gen" shmup which HAS nothing/brings nothing new to the table. Rich+++ Reputation--- boy. Hellsinker is your best bet on doujins.
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Thanks!
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i think that is not a great question to ask in the development section of a forum... anyone here codes some "indie" shmups, you should dig trough the forum a bit and find out what should be suitable for your blog readers.

there is a not so old thread which will help you to have more clear in mind how many shmups are being developed at this time:
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27460
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alastair jack wrote:
Udderdude wrote:More than likely I'd just end up bitching about how every indie developer has the entirely wrong approach when it comes to making games. :P
Do it.
I would also like to hear about this. Start a new thread?
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http://xboxlive.ign.com/articles/110/1109077p1.html

So yeah I am trying to figure out why this guy got press releases over all the other indie shooters I see.
It's meant to be a playful article, but I would like to get a gang of devs on here to say what's wrong with his project, ways he could improve it (and maybe make a short pitch why you should get funding instead).

I think this could be a good one, guys.
Let me know!
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Because of the monopolies present even in the indie game dev "community". He either paid or was advertised by someone related to him. Its an awful world we live in. Soon to end fortunately.

I'm in much better position, I do my own graphics, music, actually everything ... that's the reason only my name's in the credits, but the funding is always welcome.

But, its strange, I was not able to find his game video sample to know what he's talking about.
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schnoo wrote:http://xboxlive.ign.com/articles/110/1109077p1.html

So yeah I am trying to figure out why this guy got press releases over all the other indie shooters I see.
Well, it's only a press release so the main difference will probably turn out to be that the author actually sent it along to IGN whilst other indie devs don't.
schnoo wrote:It's meant to be a playful article, but I would like to get a gang of devs on here to say what's wrong with his project, ways he could improve it
Hard to say what may or may not be wrong without actually playing it, but looking at his videos it isn't much different to some of the poorer XBLIG titles (the two iterations of Retro One or Overkill spring to mind).
schnoo wrote: (and maybe make a short pitch why you should get funding instead).
Because i'd be cheaper? =-)
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Dave_K. wrote:
alastair jack wrote:
Udderdude wrote:More than likely I'd just end up bitching about how every indie developer has the entirely wrong approach when it comes to making games. :P
Do it.
I would also like to hear about this. Start a new thread?

Doesn't seem like he really does want to :cry: .
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Dave_K. wrote:
alastair jack wrote:
Do it.
I would also like to hear about this. Start a new thread?
schnoo contacted me by PM and I gave him my eMail however I haven't heard anything more from him.

If you really want to read some ranty BS I made about shmoops, here you go. It's unfinished though :P

http://rydia.net/udder/!crap/eykasiw.txt
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You obviously hate both, shmups and people who play them. I love shmups and trying to be original as possible. There's no way your "article" will change that.
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codergames wrote:You obviously hate both, shmups and people who play them. I love shmups and trying to be original as possible. There's no way your "article" will change that.
haha oh wow

I don't even know where to begin.
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codergames wrote:You obviously hate both, shmups and people who play them. I love shmups and trying to be original as possible. There's no way your "article" will change that.
You don't even know what you're saying. If he had hated both shmups and people, he would be banned already years ago since he wasn't, he's alright. You're the one hating on here silly boy, spreading the hatred like the fire spreads across the goddamn forests. Something's wrong with you man, very wrong. Also you may not realise who you are hating on but he created one of most played "homemade" shmups over here known as XOP Black. You should learn from him as he did things right in his shmups. Stop the hating, get to work and improve your shmups by learning from other shmups. As your shmups are quite amateur.
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I saw that game, not bad, but I don't like it, amateurish graphics. I like Raiden series much better, plus Xevious and Raiden is something I played on real arcade machines when I was much younger. I'm guessing that I'm much older than all of you, so the "boy" remark is not really appropriate.

... and I don't hate him, I don't even know him, I just read his article ... pretty bad stuff from my point of view. I would never say anything bad about shmups or people who play them. I don't get it, if he was the one who made that game, obviously he likes shmups, but he's saying things quite the contrary in his article.
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codergames wrote:I saw that game, not bad, but I don't like it, amateurish graphics. I like Raiden series much better, plus Xevious and Raiden is something I played on real arcade machines when I was much younger. I'm guessing that I'm much older than all of you, so the "boy" remark is not really appropriate.

... and I don't hate him, I don't even know him, I just read his article ... pretty bad stuff from my point of view. I would never say anything bad about shmups or people who play them. I don't get it, if he was the one who made that game, obviously he likes shmups, but he's saying things quite the contrary in his article.
Face the reality and the facts put right before your own eyes old man. Sorry but if you can't design better graphics than a kid could do in 5 minutes in photoshop. You have absolutely no right to say XOP Black looks amateurish considering your games are considered far far worse by everyone graphics-wise AND gameplay-wise. Oh and by the way, XOP Black is free unlike your AMATEUR game which costs 10 dollars. Also if you didn't like his article, you're pretty blind. What he stated there (despite being incomplete) is the truth about the genre. It's your own problem if you sit in your own reality/thoughts and have other's thoughts in your own backdoor.

PS. Everyone ignore this guy as he's not worth your time, can't design a good game and plus insults all other developers. In short, fuck this guy.
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He makes some good points. A lot of people think that they know innately what makes shmups good just because they used to play them, and if they want to make a video game they will make a shmup just because they think it shouldn't take too many resources. There's room for criticism for crap like that, and it's glib to think that just because you like a genre you can't level some good criticisms at it.
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i thought i PMed udderdude back.
i just read your "Everything You Know About Shmups Is Wrong" draft. It was a fun read.
I am emailing you to proceed and have enjoyed the discussion on the board so far.
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