XRGB-3

akumajo · Post by **akumajo** » Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:00 am

something new was released

http://www.micomsoft.co.jp/xrgb-3_special.htm

http://www.micomsoft.co.jp/xrgb3_update ... v2_20J.exe

I go on vacation for 1 week, so I will contact micomsoft later for english version etc... if someone can start translation on wiki page + add new information (if any)

CPU firmware was updated + a new tool is released

thanks

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:29 am

Not sure if I can connect my XRGB to the PC via USB and to the TV at the same time (due to cable length issues). Do I understand it correctly - new FW version enables the remote control from a Windows PC and the new tool allows more adjustments of the RGB input than the XRGB allow via it's internal menu ?

Somebody give this a try please!

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:35 am

What dis shit be?

RGB32E · Post by **RGB32E** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:24 pm

WHHHUUUUUAAA!!!? WOW.. so they're letting us debug? Sweet!

akumajo wrote:something new was released

http://www.micomsoft.co.jp/xrgb-3_special.htm

http://www.micomsoft.co.jp/xrgb3_update ... v2_20J.exe

I go on vacation for 1 week, so I will contact micomsoft later for english version etc... if someone can start translation on wiki page + add new information (if any)

CPU firmware was updated + a new tool is released

thanks

akumajo · Post by **akumajo** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:38 am

This is a tool that adjusts the signal of "GAME IN" because there is a limitation in the adjustment of OSD. With this tool, you can adjust without the limitation.

One problem, it is not possible to save data. Every time, it is necessary to load it from PC.

This tool is only for the game machine and the arcade PCB outputting a special signal.

An english version will be released but my contact is busy (breaking news : they are working on a new XRGB).

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:15 am

Does these adjustments work with B1 mode as well?

Also i wonder if its safe to update the firmware emulating Windows XP in VMware... It didn't ruin my iPod shuffle

akumajo · Post by **akumajo** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:19 am

I can't test right now, so go ahead

.

I never had problem flashing firmware with VMware or VirtualBox.

Works fine with windows 7.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:48 am

Does these adjustments work with B1 mode as well?

haven't tried it yet (USB cable to short), but it should work. From my understanding the new controls are all input adjustments and not output settings...

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:32 am

So in theory there is a chance that tweaking these new settings will make my other consoles work through the Optoma as well?

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:23 am

Ah sweet this works in B1 mode too. I can only seem to make the black borders bigger though. I have no idea what most of the settings are for. The remote control program works very well with no lag at all.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:02 am

The fours sliders on the bottom to the right control the output sync signal. If anything can increase the compatibility with the Optoma, it's those settings. No idea about the details though.

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:10 am

I tried messing around with them but it didn't seem to help. I'll just wait for the english version and try again with that

It actually is a great addition if you are using your XRGB-3 with your PC.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:13 am

Need to try it. Maybe I can fix the wavy line on top on the newer Saturn models or reduce the heavy AFC usage on my PCE.

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:19 am

Unfortunately the XRGB-3 TOOL program doesn't emulate under Wine at all. Thats bad news for us not using Windows

I tried getting rid of wavyness from my Master System Converter in B0 mode, but couldn't find a slider that made any difference. I think you may need to change several at a time, so set some time aside for tedious trial and error

Xenogias · Post by **Xenogias** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:14 pm

What's this about a new xrgb????

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:59 pm

What else should Micomsoft's engineer's be doing than working on a new XRGB ? That's no secret and somebody at Micomsoft already stated this months ago, though they called it "early brainstorming phase" (or something similar) back then. The problem with a new XRGB is that besides smaller enhancements in terms of compatibility, there haven't been any changes in the sources we're aiming at and therefore hardly any need for changes in that department. Most of the the XRGB-4's new features will go to HDMI, 1080p and HDCP processing. Unfortunately this is also where I see the money going. I would expect a full 1080p HDMI enabled XRGB-3 successor to hit at 50k+ yen without any serious gain for our vintage gaming needs. I also see Micomsoft dropping the lag-free linedoubling mode, though they might add something like scanline emulation for scaled graphics.

Anyway, no need to hold back with any XRGB-3 purchase, just because there're talks about a successor. This won't happen before late into 2011 and not without a hefty increase in price.

dave_wellington · Post by **dave_wellington** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:16 am

Maybe I missed it, but besides paying $475 USD on eBay, where can I purchase an XRGB-3? Cheers

RGB32E · Post by **RGB32E** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:45 pm

dave_wellington wrote:Maybe I missed it, but besides paying $475 USD on eBay, where can I purchase an XRGB-3? Cheers

You can buy them on Amazon.co.jp:

http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/switch-langu ... uage=en_JP

They are not shipped outside of Japan, so you must know someone there.

UPDATE:
I just flashed to v2.20. Everything seems to be working fine! I didn't receive the magical gift of 1080p DVI support on my XBR8... but wasn't expecting it either!

My PC is in another room (castle) right now, so I need to run a long USB extension cable for the tweaking. Will start Eng-contrib after playing around with the new functionality.

Also, I used the English XRGB-3 Update Tool install the new firmware.

UPDATE2:

The tool works for me. Though there are a number of UI bugs to report - feels like a prior job!

Though moving back and forth between rooms isn't productive, I need to fix this! :p My mobo is a MSI X58Pro-E (Intel X58/ICH10R chipset).

Looks like the Tool persists (keeps running) after opening... I hope Micomsoft isn't pulling any shenanigans here...

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:10 am

it doesn't save the setting? completely useless....

dave_wellington · Post by **dave_wellington** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:17 am

Thanks for the replies

I've got a new cabinet arriving, hopefully on Saturday, a Jaleco MKII 28". The seller had purchased the cabinet to create a MAME machine, but never got around to doing anything with it. When they sold it they weren't sure if the cabinet worked or not, as they didn't have a game board.

In the case the monitor is dead, I was considering replacing it with a LCD monitor, and then sort out a JAMMA to Jp SCART cable and upscale to the LCD monitor using a XRGB-3. Picking up a replacement arcade monitor in New Zealand isn't an easy task, and I figure I'll get a better picture anyway.

Is XRGB-3 what I need? Is there a cheaper solution to double line and then accurately upscale, without having to degrade down to component/composite cables? Or should I get a "RGBS CGA/EGA/YUV TO 2 VGA CONVERTER" (http://www.deal-cool.com/Product/Arcade ... ERTERS.htm) ?

Thanks

RGB32E · Post by **RGB32E** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:08 pm

Strider77 wrote:it doesn't save the setting? completely useless....

The point is.... Using this tool, correct the different geometry/timing issues, and submit your results. The results can then be taken into account for future FW releases. That's my take....

ikaruga007 · Post by **ikaruga007** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:31 pm

I am about to build a MAME PC for use in my NAOMI arcade cab with a Nanao 31khz monitor (CRT) and have a noob question about whether or not there would be any point in using my XRGB-3 with it.

The most obvious way to connect it is of course to run the PC in 640x480 directly to the monitor (with a VGA cable), and live with the drawbacks of hardware stretching.

Would there be any point at all using an Arcade-VGA video card and output the games at their native resolutions and then use my XRGB-3 (in B1 mode) to upscale/linedouble them to 640x480 instead? Or would that just be a pointless extra step to just do the same kind of stretching as when running it directly to the monitor?

Do any of you guys have any other suggestions as to how to best connect a MAME PC to a 31khz only monitor?

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:46 pm

all depends on your preferences regarding scanline emulation. If you don't want or need that, a direct VGA is the best - absolutely no argument there. If you want scanlines and are good with the rather intense scanlines of the 31khz Nanao tubes in 15khz mode, you can use a straight AVGA or an Emotia. The only reason for a XRGB-3 in the line would be your need for lighter scanlines....

ikaruga007 · Post by **ikaruga007** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:10 pm

Thanks Fudoh for the quick reply. I hope I've understood your post correctly.

The monitor is a model 2932, so it's 31khz only (no 15khz mode I'm afraid). The quality is great and has nice light scanlines which I love but for a MAME PC, I guess there's no getting away from scaling the image.

So if I'm happy with the scanlines of my monitor in 640x480, I would be better off just using the hardware stretch of MAME rather than outputting the games at its native resolution and then use an XRGB-3 to upscale?

I aplogize if I'm not making any sense, still learning these things.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:48 pm

There are so many different board resolutions in MAME that I wouldn't bother with native output. It's been some time since I last used a current MAME version. Can you tell MAME to linedouble the game's resolution (e.g. 224 to 448) and fill up the remaining lines with black ? This way you probably get the best results and you can easily adjust the monitor's geometry controls to overscan the imagine, so the black borders created by MAME disappear.

aznxtc · Post by **aznxtc** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:01 pm

@Fudoh
What would you recommend for a 32'' similar in specs to the S20 series of Panasonic Plasmas.

Is the Panasonic Plasmas Viera S2 Series TC-P42S2 in USA the same as a
S20 series Panasonic TX-P42S20 VIERA PLASMA in Europe?....Thanks.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:30 pm

I really don't monitor the 32" area... I read that the current 32" Panasonic LCDs are actually very good in terms of low input lag. For infos on that (and on your Plasma question) check the AVS (AV Science) board. Best american BBS around for those questions and lots of dedicated threads on input lag and gaming.

RGB32E · Post by **RGB32E** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:34 pm

aznxtc wrote:@Fudoh
What would you recommend for a 32'' similar in specs to the S20 series of Panasonic Plasmas.

Is the Panasonic Plasmas Viera S2 Series TC-P42S2 in USA the same as a
S20 series Panasonic TX-P42S20 VIERA PLASMA in Europe?....Thanks.

I'd suggest checking TC-L32U22 at your local retailer. I've used the 42" U25 (pretty much the same model) for PS3 and thought it gave a great picture for the price (I prefer IPS and S-LCD panels). I've yet to test the XRGB-3 - thought I'm sure it's similar to the results for other Panasonic HDTVs. FYI, with any Panasonic HDTV, you loose 1080p input via analog signals (component or PC) - HDMI inputs are your only option for 1080p.

Endymion · Post by **Endymion** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:39 pm

RGB32E wrote:FYI, with any Panasonic HDTV, you loose 1080p input via analog signals (component or PC) - HDMI inputs are your only option for 1080p.

Only the consumer models have this issue. The professional business line is not afflicted. They also support more resolutions and syncs over all their inputs than, well, about anything else you can buy today really.

aznxtc · Post by **aznxtc** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:13 pm

Thanks for the input guys...

Would you recommend the Elite PRO-101FD for the Ultimate picture quality for 2d and 3d gaming in conjunction with a XBR-3?...
How is the lag?...Im kind of into Plasma's now as Fudoh pointed out it looks more CRT-ish.

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