How likely do you think TREASURE will do a Retro pack?

[Turrican]

I concur. 100%.

Tee hee hee

I am such a bastard

Still waiting for the punchline. SEGA is doing the remakes for Alien Soldier, Gunstar, and Dynamite Headdy as part of the SEGA AGES line, I don't see the iniative or involvement of Treasure.

Treasure probably still own some rights to these licenses. If they don't handle the port themselves, they surely don't oppose to Sega doing this package. Otherwise, they could stop it I guess.

btw, there's no integrity at all in not doing ports of past' classics.

[NTSC-J]

Still waiting for the punchline. SEGA is doing the remakes for Alien Soldier, Gunstar, and Dynamite Headdy as part of the SEGA AGES line, I don't see the iniative or involvement of Treasure.

From magic box:

"Sega announced that Treasure will take over the development of its Sega AGES title Gunstar Heroes Treasure Box."

[Specineff]

And the argument about the reliability of MagicBox starts all over again.

[Nemo]

Tee hee hee

I am such a bastard

Still waiting for the punchline. SEGA is doing the remakes for Alien Soldier, Gunstar, and Dynamite Headdy as part of the SEGA AGES line, I don't see the iniative or involvement of Treasure.

Treasure probably still own some rights to these licenses. If they don't handle the port themselves, they surely don't oppose to Sega doing this package. Otherwise, they could stop it I guess.

btw, there's no integrity at all in not doing ports of past' classics.

Sega owns the rights to these games, that's why these select games were chosen and not say Radiant Silvergun. And I don't know if Treasure cares or not, but I do know that they can't do anything to stop them if they did care. I'm also not going to go to the extreme that JP did, however, I do agree that re-releasing games does diminish the luster of the originals, not so much for the monetary value, but for the sentimental value.

[Turrican]

Sega owns the rights to these games, that's why these select games were chosen and not say Radiant Silvergun. And I don't know if Treasure cares or not, but I do know that they can't do anything to stop them if they did care. I'm also not going to go to the extreme that JP did, however, I do agree that re-releasing games does diminish the luster of the originals, not so much for the monetary value, but for the sentimental value.

Fair. Let's say Treasure cannot stop evil Sega in any way. But still, they are developing the new Gunstar for them like the good old times. This pretty much means Sega and Treasure are in good relationship, don't you think?

I doubt Sega would do this without even consulting them a bit... Maegawa wouldn't take it well. Moreover there's no evidence or proof whatsoever that Treasure is against this.

You said:

Still waiting for the punchline. SEGA is doing the remakes for Alien Soldier, Gunstar, and Dynamite Headdy as part of the SEGA AGES line, I don't see the iniative or involvement of Treasure.

You wait for official word that Treasure is doing it. Likewise, before ditching it, I'll wait for an official Treasure statement on their site, a la Trizeal, in which they refuse any connection with this package, blame Sega and ask true their true fans to not buy this travesty. ^_^

EDIT: they even advertize it on their site:

http://www.treasure-inc.co.jp/index01.html

[neorichieb1971]

I think a Treasure pack would be cool, for certain games.

I believe instead of re-releasing RSG, there should be a sequel. No not Ikaruga, a real sequel.

[Nemo]

Sega owns the rights to these games, that's why these select games were chosen and not say Radiant Silvergun. And I don't know if Treasure cares or not, but I do know that they can't do anything to stop them if they did care. I'm also not going to go to the extreme that JP did, however, I do agree that re-releasing games does diminish the luster of the originals, not so much for the monetary value, but for the sentimental value.

Fair. Let's say Treasure cannot stop evil Sega in any way. But still, they are developing the new Gunstar for them like the good old times. This pretty much means Sega and Treasure are in good relationship, don't you think?

I doubt Sega would do this without even consulting them a bit... Maegawa wouldn't take it well. Moreover there's no evidence or proof whatsoever that Treasure is against this.

You said:

Still waiting for the punchline. SEGA is doing the remakes for Alien Soldier, Gunstar, and Dynamite Headdy as part of the SEGA AGES line, I don't see the iniative or involvement of Treasure.

You wait for official word that Treasure is doing it. Likewise, before ditching it, I'll wait for an official Treasure statement on their site, a la Trizeal, in which they refuse any connection with this package, blame Sega and ask true their true fans to not buy this travesty. ^_^

EDIT: they even advertize it on their site:

http://www.treasure-inc.co.jp/index01.html

The thing is, had Sega not thunk up this project with their usual whoring mentality (yes I don't care much for Sega), it would have never came to fruition. Treasure would have never done this on their own. Now that it's going to happen, I'd imagine that Treasure would want it done right and not have a Segatized bastardization of their classics. I personally look forward to the end result being a good one, but I still don't feel it's Sega's place to pick fruit off a tree which has a few branches stretching onto their property just because their rotting cows no longer produce milk.

[sethsez]

Anybody remember the days of Mario All-Stars and Gradius Deluxe Pack where compilations were met with excitement rather than disgust?

[Nemo]

Anybody remember the days of Mario All-Stars and Gradius Deluxe Pack where compilations were met with excitement rather than disgust?

Oh yes, the good old days, when games were ported with love rather than convenience, when publishers didn't look at gamers like flea-eating chimps, when polygonal diarrhea wasn't considered a "remake". The good days are gone my friend, nowdays the bad gets worse and the good is gone.

[Ghegs]

Oh yes, the good old days, when games were ported with love rather than convenience

The good ol' days when companies would port games/make compilations so that "more people could enjoy our great games" instead of "hey, we can get more money this way"?

It was about money back then, it's about money now.

[llabnip]

The good days are gone my friend, nowdays the bad gets worse and the good is gone.

You've really missed your calling as a motivational speaker!

I don't mind compilations, generally... especially good GBA compilations where I can play a ton of retro goodness on a single cart!

[jp]

I doubt Sega would do this without even consulting them a bit... Maegawa wouldn't take it well. Moreover there's no evidence or proof whatsoever that Treasure is against this.

Why would Sega give a fuck about him? They don't have a console anymore.

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Bring on the compilations!

Yes please overload us with them. Videogame companies would you please ignore the 10 or so people that actually hate it when you re-release games? I know you've been doing that for over twenty years now but hey just a friendly reminder.

[Turrican]

Hey, it appears you were right after all!

I sent an email to Treasure through their website's form. Of course I didn't expect any reply of sort, but I was amazed when I checked my mailbox and I found an email from Mr. Maegawa - sensei!!!
I guess this is what happens when you write to true gamers' developers, not some shit corporation that doesn't give a fuck about fans.

Since, well, the importance of this document is evident (a letter from Treasure's boss!) the least I can do for community is to post it below. I had to babelfish this and rewrite it in comprehensible english of course.

Greetings,

we read your email. Of course we're unhappy [with the] situation. Sega has become a bunch of westerners weaklings. They intend to sell out their legacy, but we at Treasure are against [this]. We think with years their spirit has weakened because of corruption, too much money from overseas market; they have forgotten roots and [put on] shame their ancestors.
We are in fact planning contermeasures. I will personally lead a commando of men and we will take the heads of Sega's traitors with our katanas. Our employee at Treasure are all descendant of strong samurai and we train at kendo every morning. We expect some casualties, but all of us are ready to do seppuku if taken by enemies. If everything else fails, we are loading a Zero plane (from Hiichi-san private collection) with explosive, and will launch it at Sega's headquarters.

I must also say to fans that we stopped production of gba Gunstar Super Heroes. We will never work with those cheaters again. We are searching for another partnership but this time we'll choose an american publisher. Japanese today are weak men they don't follow Bushido anymore. I spoke with McDonalds' Ceo and he comprehends Our concerns. He even complimented with me for my collection of wakizashi. Please look forward to our new all original content [game], Mc Donald Super Treasure Land for gba.

Regards,

Maegawa-san.

Well, what can I say more! At first reading it I was a bit sad because they quit the GBA gunstar But Maegawa san words convinced me after all . He is a man of great integrity, he cannot stand this injustice! He opened my eyes, this port to shitty PS2 is a crime against humanity. I now feel guilt for doubting Treasure and thinking they were ready to bastardize their classics, but this is Sega evil plot. I pray that their raid will be successful and they'll take Sega's CEO head.

GO TREASURE!! FOR THE SPIRIT OF 68000!!! TIME FOR REVENGE!! WE FANS ARE WITH YOU!


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(just kidding, they didn't reply to me! I made this up. Tee hee!)

[it290]

Classic. I'd sig that if it wasn't so long.

[Marc]

No. Treasure is a lot of things (good and bad) but one thing I can respect is their integrity. I wouldn't mind seeing a compilation pack, but I like the fact that they won't go for a quick cash grab and they value their games enough to not re-release them or put 10 of them on one disc.

And how would that de-value them? Surely not just because *gasp* people would actually be able to afford to play them?

Anybody remember the days of Mario All-Stars and Gradius Deluxe Pack where compilations were met with excitement rather than disgust?

Ah, but Konami did that for the fans, for the love of their own video games see? Npthing to do with money...

[icycalm]

The world needs more jokes. I think all polls should have a joke option...

I know I would have voted for it!

[Nemo]

Oh yes, the good old days, when games were ported with love rather than convenience

The good ol' days when companies would port games/make compilations so that "more people could enjoy our great games" instead of "hey, we can get more money this way"?

It was about money back then, it's about money now.

You know when a mechanic fixes your car, he can either do a quality job or a shoddy, rush job, either way he is doing it for the money but the end result you get is quite different, is it not?

And how would that de-value them? Surely not just because *gasp* people would actually be able to afford to play them?

If I recall correctly, Treasures games retailed for the same amount as every other game of their time. Are they expensive now, sure, but that's your (fans) fault. You people hype up the games and make them out be these dynamic masterpieces, yet you get mad when the market price reflects this opinion, as well as the demand of the limited supply. So if you missed the initial printing and you don't want to pay the prices now, you only have yourself to blame.

[sethsez]

If I recall correctly, Treasures games retailed for the same amount as every other game of their time. Are they expensive now, sure, but that's your (fans) fault. You people hype up the games and make them out be these dynamic masterpieces, yet you get mad when the market price reflects this opinion, as well as the demand of the limited supply. So if you missed the initial printing and you don't want to pay the prices now, you only have yourself to blame.

Unless a re-release comes out due to Treasure and Sega seeing the demand for said games, allowing them to be had cheaply again.

See how it works?

[Nemo]

And so begins the arguments about inferior ports/remakes and experiences these re-releases bring.