Using XBOX 1 with Extron Emotia

[Trevor spencer]

Hi

Still looking for a Emotia but when i find one i fancy hooking up my xbox , what would be the best way to do this

Thanks

[Fudoh]

There have been VGA cables available for the XBox1, right ? If you can't find one of those, you can use a HDTV Pack (YUV cable or breakout box), run the signal through a transcoder and pass VGA on to the Emotia.

[antron]

xbox VGA is sync on green only. you can get an extron SOG remover, and it's cheaper than a transcoder.

[SGGG2]

xbox VGA is sync on green only. you can get an extron SOG remover, and it's cheaper than a transcoder.

Can't find anything with google. What's the official name?

[antron]

xbox VGA is sync on green only. you can get an extron SOG remover, and it's cheaper than a transcoder.

Can't find anything with google. What's the official name?

I use an RGB 150xi, but extron made several. to bad none of the emotias take SOG (as far as I know)

[Trevor spencer]

Any of these would do the trick if i use my Hi Def box i have for XBOX 1 via Component right ?


http://www.extreme-mods.com/Universal-Y ... vgabox.htm

http://www.x2vga.com/

http://www.hdboxpro.com/eng/public.htm

Thanks

[philexile]

Hello,

I've done this. It works great, although, if you are using this for emulators, you have to get the exact right pixel placement or everything looks off.

The best (and cheapest) way to get the Xbox to output VGA is using the Frosty VGA cable. You can get it here: http://www.divineo.com/cgi-bin/div-us/zz-xb-fcbl1

Read up on it first since it uses a custom BIOs. If you don't want to mess around with BIOs, the NeoYa works well too. I actually have a spare if you want to buy it.

Either of these outputs will work fine with the Emotia. Which do you have by the way?

[Trevor spencer]

Hello,

I've done this. It works great, although, if you are using this for emulators, you have to get the exact right pixel placement or everything looks off.

The best (and cheapest) way to get the Xbox to output VGA is using the Frosty VGA cable. You can get it here: http://www.divineo.com/cgi-bin/div-us/zz-xb-fcbl1

Read up on it first since it uses a custom BIOs. If you don't want to mess around with BIOs, the NeoYa works well too. I actually have a spare if you want to buy it.

Either of these outputs will work fine with the Emotia. Which do you have by the way?

Hi , i havnt found an a emotia yet but i want to get a plus or a super GX , i would like to use this for emulators , is the neoya as good as the HD Pro ?

How much you asking i think id prefer to find the emotia first though

Also how do you go about getting the right pixel placement ? i have various emus like FBAXX - Coin Ops Gold - most 8 & 16 Bit Emus . i take it all of these would work right ?

Thanks

[antron]

to get VGA out of an xbox you don't have to actually change the BIOS. Frosty also made a Boot From Media disc that will do it to. Want VGA, boot with the disc in. Leave it out and it boots normally. That's what I do.

[philexile]

Hi , i havnt found an a emotia yet but i want to get a plus or a super GX , i would like to use this for emulators , is the neoya as good as the HD Pro ?

How much you asking i think id prefer to find the emotia first though

The Neoya units work great, I have a revision 2.0. The only reason I don't use it because it takes up an extra electrical socket.

I actually have a couple of extra Emotia units that I was going to put on eBay (or here) in a couple months when its unbearably hot in NY and I won't want to go outside.

I could sell you one of those as well. To be honest, any Emotia will work to get 240p, you don't really need something like the GX, but its up to you. I have one of those as well, along with regular Supers.

PM me so we can discuss.

Also how do you go about getting the right pixel placement ? i have various emus like FBAXX - Coin Ops Gold - most 8 & 16 Bit Emus . i take it all of these would work right ?

For any of the Xport emulators, its easy, you just set the pixels exactly double of the native resolution. You can see it 'lock' when you hit it. I could help you out with it once you get one.

For CoinOps and FBAXXX (you should update to Final Burn Legends) its a bitch. These emulators were coded differently, so you have to eyeball it. Also, each game has different resolutions, so its never 100% right. Honestly, most people don't notice. You should check out this site for more in depth info:

http://fancyxbox.info/?doc=1&secao=coinops

What are you going to hook this up to by the way? I'm using a Sony PVM-20m4u.

[philexile]

That's true, but common, you gotta be in it to win it.

to get VGA out of an xbox you don't have to actually change the BIOS. Frosty also made a Boot From Media disc that will do it to. Want VGA, boot with the disc in. Leave it out and it boots normally. That's what I do.

[philexile]

I never had any problems and I've used Emotia, Emotia Plus, Super and Super GX....

I sorta got obsessed with Emotias, I blame Fudoh of course.

xbox VGA is sync on green only. you can get an extron SOG remover, and it's cheaper than a transcoder.

Can't find anything with google. What's the official name?

I use an RGB 150xi, but extron made several. to bad none of the emotias take SOG (as far as I know)

[antron]

I never had any problems and I've used Emotia, Emotia Plus, Super and Super GX....

that's because the "Frozen Cable" box you use removes sync on green. it contains some circuitry.

[philexile]

I've also used the Neoya x2vga and never had any problems connecting it to the Emotia. I was using this before I got the Frosty cables.

Also, Fudoh told me he used the Neoya 1 when he wrote his tutorial on forcing 240p for scanlines.

The Emotia doesn't have any problem accepting the signal.

I never had any problems and I've used Emotia, Emotia Plus, Super and Super GX....

that's because the "Frozen Cable" box you use removes sync on green. it contains some circuitry.

[Trevor spencer]

Hi , i havnt found an a emotia yet but i want to get a plus or a super GX , i would like to use this for emulators , is the neoya as good as the HD Pro ?

How much you asking i think id prefer to find the emotia first though

The Neoya units work great, I have a revision 2.0. The only reason I don't use it because it takes up an extra electrical socket.

I actually have a couple of extra Emotia units that I was going to put on eBay (or here) in a couple months when its unbearably hot in NY and I won't want to go outside.

I could sell you one of those as well. To be honest, any Emotia will work to get 240p, you don't really need something like the GX, but its up to you. I have one of those as well, along with regular Supers.

PM me so we can discuss.

Also how do you go about getting the right pixel placement ? i have various emus like FBAXX - Coin Ops Gold - most 8 & 16 Bit Emus . i take it all of these would work right ?

For any of the Xport emulators, its easy, you just set the pixels exactly double of the native resolution. You can see it 'lock' when you hit it. I could help you out with it once you get one.

For CoinOps and FBAXXX (you should update to Final Burn Legends) its a bitch. These emulators were coded differently, so you have to eyeball it. Also, each game has different resolutions, so its never 100% right. Honestly, most people don't notice. You should check out this site for more in depth info:

http://fancyxbox.info/?doc=1&secao=coinops

What are you going to hook this up to by the way? I'm using a Sony PVM-20m4u.

Thanks for all the info , for the mean time i would be hooking upto a 21" Sony CRT TV via RGB Scart but in the future i want an Egret 2

Ill PM you about the Emotia

[antron]

I've also used the Neoya x2vga and never had any problems connecting it to the Emotia. I was using this before I got the Frosty cables.

Also, Fudoh told me he used the Neoya 1 when he wrote his tutorial on forcing 240p for scanlines.

The Emotia doesn't have any problem accepting the signal.

once again, you have used a signal converter to create a regular VGA (RGB+HV, progressive scan) signal from what the XBOX can output. The first XBOX cannot do this alone. It will only output sync on green VGA, or component. This time you converted from component.

[Fudoh]

But was the 1st Neoya box really a transcoder ?

From what I remember the first Neoya VGA adapter, this one:



didn't work on all XBox units. On the XBox I had back then (Smoke, 1st JP limited) it worked, but it did not work on later units (something depending on the video encoder in the XBox, Connexant vs. something else). On those it only output a magenta-tinted picture. So I always guessed it was some kind of real VGA box, not a plain YUV to VGA transcoder....

[philexile]

Ha, well. yes of course, it has to be converted to VGA to be output to the Emotia. Are we having the same conversation?

once again, you have used a signal converter to create a regular VGA (RGB+HV, progressive scan) signal from what the XBOX can output. The first XBOX cannot do this alone. It will only output sync on green VGA, or component. This time you converted from component.

[philexile]

Yep, that's the first one.

Your right Fudoh, the Xbox 1.6 had a different video chip or something. It messes a lot of things up actually. I'm pretty sure some of the emulators won't work with them.

But was the 1st Neoya box really a transcoder ?

From what I remember the first Neoya VGA adapter, this one:



didn't work on all XBox units. On the XBox I had back then (Smoke, 1st JP limited) it worked, but it did not work on later units (something depending on the video encoder in the XBox, Connexant vs. something else). On those it only output a magenta-tinted picture. So I always guessed it was some kind of real VGA box, not a plain YUV to VGA transcoder....

[antron]

It must be a transcoder, but it's surprising that it won't work with all models.

the xbox linux wiki explains why you cannot get standard VGA from an xbox:
http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xbox_VGA_HOWTO
note that it says to even get SOG VGA you must also enable this in software, that means hacked boxes only.

i use something like this, with component cables:

but I must then remove the sync on green. If the Frozen Cable provides a good picture, it would probably cause less lag than any other solution.

[Trevor spencer]

Interesting Post by "chinitosoccer" over at Sega-16

The Wii cant do 240p on the Pc Engine emulator, so the best emulation setup would be a soft moded Xbox + Extron Emotia => RGBS/YUV to a CRT TV.
The Emotia converts the 480i signal coming form the Xbox to a low res signal like 240p or 224p.

Here's some pics of the Xbox and the Emotia working together

CPS1, no filters used, just RGB raw pixels, real low res, look at the scanlines




Neo Geo and some Cave shooters




SNES, Genesis




NES/Famicom at their original low resolution on RGB




Xbox + Extron Emotia Super

He mentions it converts 480I img's ? can the emotia convert 480i and 480P

[Fudoh]

That's a typo, the Emotia is strictly 480p only. But that doesn't matter, since the XBox is 480p all the way for Homebrew apps.

PS: Would be interesting to learn how many people have tried using an Emotia after reading my article. Of course I got lot of email feedback over the past years, but seeing the input from many forums on which I never posted, it really makes me wonder

[philexile]

Lots. It was a great solution!

That's a typo, the Emotia is strictly 480p only. But that doesn't matter, since the XBox is 480p all the way for Homebrew apps.

PS: Would be interesting to learn how many people have tried using an Emotia after reading my article. Of course I got lot of email feedback over the past years, but seeing the input from many forums on which I never posted, it really makes me wonder

[philexile]

Ya, those cables you posted wouldn't work without another device to transcode the signal.

I haven't noticed any lag with the NeoYa. Both it and the Frozen Cable give great picture quality.

Also tried this StarTech device that worked great, but its overkill for this: http://tinyurl.com/ylqfg6m

It must be a transcoder, but it's surprising that it won't work with all models.

the xbox linux wiki explains why you cannot get standard VGA from an xbox:
http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xbox_VGA_HOWTO
note that it says to even get SOG VGA you must also enable this in software, that means hacked boxes only.

i use something like this, with component cables:

but I must then remove the sync on green. If the Frozen Cable provides a good picture, it would probably cause less lag than any other solution.

[ZOM]

PS: Would be interesting to learn how many people have tried using an Emotia after reading my article. Of course I got lot of email feedback over the past years, but seeing the input from many forums on which I never posted, it really makes me wonder

One thing's for sure: it must've been a lot, seeing that I can't find one on ebay to finally try that unit too...

EDIT: yeah right, just checked ebay and there's a Super Emotia II unit boxed and complete. But $225 + shipping is a bit too much for my messing around.

[emphatic]

While PS2 is on topic (kinda), I have to ask if anyone's tried the open source HD Video loader "GS Mode Selector": http://psx-scene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61808 ?

I saw this accidentally while looking into what HDD loaders are available now for PS2 and it does look very interesting. I wonder if this can make Mushihime-Sama look pretty at last.

[ZOM]

Wow, very interesting find there! If that thing does the things it's supposed to do without any hurdles, it can get quite useful for various applications.

But well, regarding Mushi, if you're talking about getting rid of the filtering then I don't think it's possible without changing the game software's code - don't quote me on that tho, just thinking loud.

[emphatic]

But well, regarding Mushi, if you're talking about getting rid of the filtering then I don't think it's possible without changing the game software's code - don't quote me on that tho, just thinking loud.

I don't expect to get rid of the filter, but if the game is upscaled, maybe the filter is put to good use rather than thickly plastered onto a 480i TATE. Should by default look a bit sharper, at least in my mind.

I'm gonna try this:

PS2 with this launcher -> Component -> HD Box Pro -> Plasma TV then if it works at all with ANY game worth playing:
PS2 with this launcher -> Component -> HD Box Pro (480p) -> UCV @ 24/15 KhZ -> EGRET II

[Fudoh]

Is there are burnable version of this PS2 loader or is this one for HDD-equipped PS2s only ?

[emphatic]

Is there are burnable version of this PS2 loader or is this one for HDD-equipped PS2s only ?

You got PM.