OK, Why the LS32?

[dieKatze88]

I don't get it. I took my LS32s out of my New Astro and put in JLFs, and I like the feel of them much better, in addition to that, my scores have gone up (in some cases as drastic as doubling)

Yet everyone here has a negative stance on the JLF or just a positive stance on the LS32 and a negative stance on everything else, and I know its personal preference, but I would like to hear some people's opinions on the joysticks in question. Why the LS32 over the JLF, or some other joystick.

[jonny5]

I don't get it. I took my LS32s out of my New Astro and put in JLFs, and I like the feel of them much better, in addition to that, my scores have gone up (in some cases as drastic as doubling)

Yet everyone here has a negative stance on the JLF or just a positive stance on the LS32 and a negative stance on everything else, and I know its personal preference, but I would like to hear some people's opinions on the joysticks in question. Why the LS32 over the JLF, or some other joystick.

seimitsu have a shorter throw and a smaller deadspace....better suited for shmups....apparently suzo 500s are even better?

if sanwa feel better to you, awesome...on the flip side, maybe you just had some beat to fuck old ls32's or very new ones(they need to be broken in before they feel 'right')

but most prefer seimitsu for the reasons i mentioned

[dieKatze88]

I don't get it. I took my LS32s out of my New Astro and put in JLFs, and I like the feel of them much better, in addition to that, my scores have gone up (in some cases as drastic as doubling)

Yet everyone here has a negative stance on the JLF or just a positive stance on the LS32 and a negative stance on everything else, and I know its personal preference, but I would like to hear some people's opinions on the joysticks in question. Why the LS32 over the JLF, or some other joystick.

seimitsu have a shorter throw and a smaller deadspace....better suited for shmups....apparently suzo 500s are even better?

if sanwa feel better to you, awesome...on the flip side, maybe you just had some beat to fuck old ls32's or very new ones(they need to be broken in before they feel 'right')

but most prefer seimitsu for the reasons i mentioned

To call mine "New" isn't accurate, but they weren't Ravaged either. They did spend time in TGA, and were very well taken care of. The only real noticeable wear was on the actuator, but even then, that was only on the left, and the one on the right felt just as shitty to me.

[emphatic]

Some say JLF are best when they're "broken in", but I've not enough experience with them to know. It's also mounted lower and that makes quite some difference. Try adding washers between the RE mounting plate and your panel screws next time you try an LS-32 and see if you like that better. I've played lots on LS-32 and it's a very good overall joystick, i.e. it works well for most things, but so does JLF. For the very best LS-32 experience though, expand the spring to twice the length (hold it and pull) as IMHO it's not stiff enough coming off the factory line. A new LS-32 can be moved at least a couple of mm's from the dead zone without the spring fighting back. On a SUZO 500, you can rest your finger on it and push slightly, but it won't budge one bit.

I voted "other", but you can't buy the sticks I use as both are quite heavily modded:
EGRET II #1: SUZO 500 with OMRON switches (same as fitted in JLF) and custom shaft, SANWA balltop
EGRET II #2: Seimitsu LS-32-01 with LS-40 shaft etc aka the LS-36 (Google it)

It's also very easy to trick yourself into "wow, these sticks I just put in are way better" because that fresh sensation playing on a different stick will wear off and you get comfortable = not as concentrated on scoring/playing well as when they where just installed. That's why I have different sticks in my cabinets, so I can switch easily.

There's also a factor of what games goes best with what stick. SUZO 500's aren't as easy to make diagonals with as Seimitsu or Sanwa. I tried playing Ninja Kid II once with LS-32 and I was so frustrated by the constant weapon change (joy up changes weapon) I had to stop playing. Some games need a longer throw, most shmups won't.

[gray117]

I think the smaller throw is basically a big factor. Subjectively -everything being equal - this probably makes the ls32 a better shmup stick. But nothing is ever equal.

However, I tend to prefer a jlf - my co-ordination seems better suited to it - particularly when hitting forward diagonals. The slightly larger throw whilst marginally more wasteful is probably marginally more adaptable. I also imagine this has come about due to my history with fighting games where movements are often more languid.

Like emphatic alludes too an often overlooked idea, that I think is definitely informative is when getting into [or out of] a pattern of playing a shmup, is to play with a different stick - you can find yourself going for a different route because of it.

Like all things, I'm sure such tendencies can all be tailored with practice, but comfort has a massive immediate factor and I'm simply not motivated enough to purposefully practice. Like most things in life most people have expectations that if not met simply make them less comfortable.

The subjective difference is a bit like those benchmarks with make out an extra 2fps to be a massive difference when comparing 68 and 70fps and when your monitor's refresh (*think player) is probably too slow to react anyway. It matters to some people and not to others

[brokenhalo]

i prefer the jlf as well, so you aren't the only crazy one. it's a much faster stick in terms of resistance, and doesn't have that annoying "hop" that the ls-32 has when you hit the gate edge.

[emphatic]

doesn't have that annoying "hop" that the ls-32 has when you hit the gate edge.

Hence the LS-36 mod.

[system11]

Suzo all the way - the ones in my cab have surprised a couple of people now. The ones to get if you can find them are the older type with the rubber grommet instead of a spring.

[dieKatze88]

Well I definitely have "broken in sticks" on a couple things. Like my Otomedius G stick which, used to begin with, I'm honestly surprised the poor thing is still working after the past month and a half of basically, 5 hours a day, every day, abuse. Hell the Blue button in it died 4 weeks ago. The LS32s I had were very well cared for in TGA, and were quite functional up until I killed one of the micros in it. I don't know if I have the right adjectives to describe why that stick didn't feel right to me. I do feel that it responded too quickly in any one direction in a diagonal corner. I think that's one place where having the slightly longer throw on the JLF may shine, especially if you have an octagonal restrictor plate (and you're crazy if you don't IMO.)

My brand new JLFs in my machine that I just put in are quite a bit stiffer than my Otomedius G stick, but that poor thing needs some definite love, just coming up with the time to do said love is the pain.

Although I will say this. the first thing I did with the Otomedius stick was play 1 round. the second thing I did was remove that fucking shaft cover. (I did replace the dust washer with the proper sized one)

[elvis]

seimitsu have a shorter throw and a smaller deadspace....better suited for shmups....apparently suzo 500s are even better?

I have Suzo 500's in my cocktail cabinet and hate them. I find the short throw very annoying.

JLFs are definitely my stick of choice for fighters. For shooters, either a JLF or a LS32 will do me. I'm not fussed either way.

I have JLWs in one of my cabinets currently, and honestly don't mind them either for shooters. Not so great for fighters.

[yosai]

I prefer the feel of the JLF but the LS-32 is move precise.

That's why I have both.

[cools]

JLFs are too loose, Suzos are too tight. LS32 all the way for me. That I never encounter the "hop" problem - the amount of force needed to get it to jump like that is 10 times the amount I use normally

[charlie chong]

jlf is deffo more accurate than an ls32 (if you are light of touch) but i think the ls32 tightness compensates for that. personally i find it harder to do short accurate tap dodging left or right with the ls32 but prefer doing digaonally/circular movements with a ls32.
they are both good just slightly different.. i always mount a jlf a bit lower than usual tho

[neorichieb1971]

On one of my astro city's the LS32 sits too short, shorter than the other cabinet. I'm assuming its the mounting plate?

The mounts on the astro with the short LS32 are the old type which are not made anymore. Took me a while just to find a plate that fitted.

[antron]

On one of my astro city's the LS32 sits too short, shorter than the other cabinet. I'm assuming its the mounting plate?

The mounts on the astro with the short LS32 are the old type which are not made anymore. Took me a while just to find a plate that fitted.

I have some JLM's on a Astro City repro that mount short. So I unscrewed the balls and put some little washers under them. Now the throw is a little longer but the height is right. I like it because it is a perfect compromise for fighters and shooters.