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Skykid wrote:Nah, you can see my stance is clear Jonny dude, just sarcasm. :wink:

You DO have to laugh though. It's either that or cry, one or the other.
or do what i would do in that situation....flip the fuck out and yell at people in horribly broken japanese whilst waving my arms around

man....that would definitely ruin my day :cry:
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What's with these stupid topics that keep coming up?
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secret mining for loli info?
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bloodflowers wrote:What's with these stupid topics that keep coming up?
Fuck all left to talk about.
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Deathsmiles, Bullet Witch, Senko no Ronde... resentment at the way characters in shooters are now being represented.
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Lol, i think we are going to have to have so defibrillators set up outside the PC doujin shops for the safety of the visiting gaijin population! :wink:
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antron wrote:the US Supreme Court threw out an anti virtual child porn law. they argued that there is no evidence that this will lead to crime that has victims (real child porn, rape).
IIRC, Congress just made some tweaks to bring the ban more in line with the Miller test after that ruling. Now the virtual child porn "also" has to be obscene according to the Miller test (which is so subjective that you can't really count on any particular outcome).
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Ganelon wrote:Deathsmiles, Bullet Witch, Senko no Ronde... resentment at the way characters in shooters are now being represented.
The main character is the least of that game's problems.
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Could you shed some light on why Americans are obsessed with grotesque violence and gore?
Because killing shit is badass :?:
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In the American horror/gore film genre, it's a given to see if a current film can top a previous film's gore content in the horror/gore category. Actor/director Eli Roth's two films of Hostel and Hostel 2 are two current examples of the graphic horror/gore genre. Also featuring topless or full nudity with the female form in a horror film is a given. Credit is given to KNB EFX Group for their hard work utilizing models for cast moulding body parts and the like. Plus using super talented prostethics makeup artists to make them life-like with their incredible painting skills.

Of course, John Carpenter's The Thing is the one to beat despite it's summer of 1982 release...no other sci-fi/horror/gore genre film has ever came close to matching the techincal masterpiece that is the remake of The Thing. The special effects in it was all real-time puppetry, animatronics, blood, mysterious alien fluids leaking out everywhere & all-out imaginative wizardry in pulling it off convincingly and utilizng none of today's CG special EFX either.

The two different Todd McFarlane's Movie Maniacs action figures released based on The Thing film really show the alien creature in it's true three-dimensional form (something that really wasn't shown/explored in the film).

The only way to top the special EFX in the 1982 remake of The Thing is do another sequel with even more impressive and over-the-top gore special EFX. Would have to get the best-of-the best in today's special EFX teams and see what can be done nowdays in terms of real-time puppetry & animatronics EFX (paying homage to the first film without having to resort to using CG EFX to ruin the amazing EFX continuity factor). Having the the Thing creature devour a female character would be something new to explore and/or feature the Thing's homeworld and what it looks like.

Only if Universal Studios had the smarts/foresight to release The Thing film not too closely to the theaterical release of E.T., it would've done quite well at the box office. It's been said that some movie patrons were sickened by the grisly gore effects that they never came back despite the film trailer really never showing all the various gore effects. They were in for a big shock when it finally was released on the big screen.

You might recall watching Leonard Nimoy whom hosted the very informative "Lights, Camera, Action!" behind-the-scenes show (back in 1982-1983) about current Hollywood films and how they were created when he hosted a such a show that featured the remake of "The Thing" movie. It was really an interesting show delving into the creative special EFX aspects of it.

There are two different versions of The Thing film, the second version has background info voice-over narration for all the characters introduced for the first time to viewers in the film + some different scenes that weren't shown theaterically (including an alternate ending that shows a key pivotal scene of the dog that looks back at the camp base before walking off into the icy landscape -- it's the same dog that began to eat/absorb the other dogs inside the kennel scene).

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It's more about them being cute than underage, though that Venn Diagram hardly puts up much defence.
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I just saw the Korean movie Oldboy, soo badass! For some strange reason I enjoy these kinds of violent revenge filled flicks even though I'm a total pacifist and anti-war minded kinda guy. Grotesque horror I totally avoid as it will cause me psych to crumble. Playing with toy guns, action figures, and violent video games might just be the perfect outlet for kids to channel there primal behavior without the need to start fighting with other real people. I'm not so sure the same works for sexual behavior, I think supporting these bizarre fetishes might be more dangerous in the long run than having a short term outlet, it could really go either way though and of course it all depends on the individual. One thing I do know is that rape statistics are inaccurate, a very small percent of rapes get reported, and now that porn is so huge you can basically commit assault on camera and throw some money at them and it is practically legal, sad but true.
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bloodflowers wrote:What's with these stupid topics that keep coming up?
Stupid people come up with them...oh wait!

Honestly, it out of resentment of them taking over the visuals in shmups.
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chempop wrote:I just saw the Korean movie Oldboy, soo badass! For some strange reason I enjoy these kinds of violent revenge filled flicks even though I'm a total pacifist and anti-war minded kinda guy. Grotesque horror I totally avoid as it will cause me psych to crumble. Playing with toy guns, action figures, and violent video games might just be the perfect outlet for kids to channel there primal behavior without the need to start fighting with other real people. I'm not so sure the same works for sexual behavior, I think supporting these bizarre fetishes might be more dangerous in the long run than having a short term outlet, it could really go either way though and of course it all depends on the individual. One thing I do know is that rape statistics are inaccurate, a very small percent of rapes get reported, and now that porn is so huge you can basically commit assault on camera and throw some money at them and it is practically legal, sad but true.
Oldboy was awesome. They keep talking about remaking it here. They'd mess it up, obviously, but then they'd have to neuter it too. Not giving anything away, but there's something that comes to light later in the film, and there is a scene earlier in the film that makes you go "UGH!". They would never have the balls to do that here. Anyone who has seen this knows what i'm talking about.
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Is it Tsuruya-san (of Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu fame) on the right?
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Obiwanshinobi wrote:Is it Tsuruya-san (of Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu fame) on the right?
Yes, that's her. The image is a 'shop though (unfortunately).
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I'm just going to quote my response from the "Why are there cute girls in Touhou games" thread. I think it addresses the heart of Evil's question.
It goes without saying that we see "cute" girls/characters displayed in everything from games, to merchandise, to Boeing 747's. It stems from the "kawaii" aspect in Japanese popular culture. That you would find such aspects in a Japanese game, something the creator is trying to market in an already saturated market filled with other merchandise with simliar branding is a no brainer.
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The question of why the cute/kawaii culture became especially prominent in Japanese culture was something that interested me during my studies of the country's history in college. Suffice it to say I've not read up on the subject that much, however what I can conclude is that part of the appeal of "kawaii" is that it evokes a non-threatening, harmonious posture/feeling. Those familiar with the Japanese language and culture as it relates to how people relate to one another in personal and professional settings can understand this notion. "Cuteness" is a highly desirable trait, with its manifestions appearing in pretty much everything you can think of. It is a part of Japan's national identity, and they've been successful in exporting it.
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That's certainly a very positive way of looking at it, but you're ignoring the part where they want to have sex with these cute and innocent prepubescent girls.

Please bear with me:

While I admire the strong family systems in Japan, there is a downside. The men are at work all the time so mom is in charge of the household and over-intrusive parenting can lead to problems with the child's interpersonal relationships later in life. The needs of the child to individuate as a separate person are ignored as mom's become over-bearing, creating a nation of men who on the one hand have a strong work ethic, but on the other hand grow an intense resentment of women, as evidenced by Japan's love of depravity in porn. Women are objects and one cannot have true intimacy with an object, plus the idea that a woman is a sexual being is threatening, so they end up destroying women with horrendous porn, be it robbing a child of her innocence with the loli stuff (quick digression: my favorite loli titles I spotted at the DVD shop was one with an 8 year old girl called "Sweet, Sweet Candy" and one with an 11 year old called "She's Only 11 Years Old!") or from the tentacle rape and hentai which has evolved into women growing breasts onto their breasts, spewing milk everywhere then being thrown into a blender (or so I hear).

The effect over-bearing parents has on girls is eating disorders and low self-esteem. Put that with a culture of women being silenced and unable to assert their own needs, throw in some passive-aggressiveness (Japanese hate confrontation) and you get a cycle of pain and ungratifying relationships.

I don't mean to speak disparagingly of the people of Japan who I respect with, work with and live amongst, and I'm not saying that no one in Japan is having a healthy relationship, I'm sure plenty are, but problems like the lolita thing do not occur in a vacuum. I am amazed everyday by all the stuff I see my elementary school kids doing after school (piano, hockey practice, cram school) but I also see these little girls and little boys with a desperate look in their eyes when they make one mistake and pressures like that have a price.
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creating a nation of men who on the one hand have a strong work ethic, but on the other hand grow an intense resentment of women, as evidenced by Japan's love of depravity in porn.
This is where their ridiculous laws of child custody come in to play, I have convinced myself. Long story short, the males who are making the laws are emotionally retarded.
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NTSC-J wrote:That's certainly a very positive way of looking at it, but you're ignoring the part where they want to have sex with these cute and innocent prepubescent girls.

Please bear with me:

While I admire the strong family systems in Japan, there is a downside. The men are at work all the time so mom is in charge of the household and over-intrusive parenting can lead to problems with the child's interpersonal relationships later in life. The needs of the child to individuate as a separate person are ignored as mom's become over-bearing, creating a nation of men who on the one hand have a strong work ethic, but on the other hand grow an intense resentment of women, as evidenced by Japan's love of depravity in porn. Women are objects and one cannot have true intimacy with an object, plus the idea that a woman is a sexual being is threatening, so they end up destroying women with horrendous porn, be it robbing a child of her innocence with the loli stuff (quick digression: my favorite loli titles I spotted at the DVD shop was one with an 8 year old girl called "Sweet, Sweet Candy" and one with an 11 year old called "She's Only 11 Years Old!") or from the tentacle rape and hentai which has evolved into women growing breasts onto their breasts, spewing milk everywhere then being thrown into a blender (or so I hear).

The effect over-bearing parents has on girls is eating disorders and low self-esteem. Put that with a culture of women being silenced and unable to assert their own needs, throw in some passive-aggressiveness (Japanese hate confrontation) and you get a cycle of pain and ungratifying relationships.

I don't mean to speak disparagingly of the people of Japan who I respect with, work with and live amongst, and I'm not saying that no one in Japan is having a healthy relationship, I'm sure plenty are, but problems like the lolita thing do not occur in a vacuum. I am amazed everyday by all the stuff I see my elementary school kids doing after school (piano, hockey practice, cram school) but I also see these little girls and little boys with a desperate look in their eyes when they make one mistake and pressures like that have a price.
Very interesting post dude.
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Skykid wrote:
NTSC-J wrote:That's certainly a very positive way of looking at it, but you're ignoring the part where they want to have sex with these cute and innocent prepubescent girls.

Please bear with me:

While I admire the strong family systems in Japan, there is a downside. The men are at work all the time so mom is in charge of the household and over-intrusive parenting can lead to problems with the child's interpersonal relationships later in life. The needs of the child to individuate as a separate person are ignored as mom's become over-bearing, creating a nation of men who on the one hand have a strong work ethic, but on the other hand grow an intense resentment of women, as evidenced by Japan's love of depravity in porn. Women are objects and one cannot have true intimacy with an object, plus the idea that a woman is a sexual being is threatening, so they end up destroying women with horrendous porn, be it robbing a child of her innocence with the loli stuff (quick digression: my favorite loli titles I spotted at the DVD shop was one with an 8 year old girl called "Sweet, Sweet Candy" and one with an 11 year old called "She's Only 11 Years Old!") or from the tentacle rape and hentai which has evolved into women growing breasts onto their breasts, spewing milk everywhere then being thrown into a blender (or so I hear).

The effect over-bearing parents has on girls is eating disorders and low self-esteem. Put that with a culture of women being silenced and unable to assert their own needs, throw in some passive-aggressiveness (Japanese hate confrontation) and you get a cycle of pain and ungratifying relationships.

I don't mean to speak disparagingly of the people of Japan who I respect with, work with and live amongst, and I'm not saying that no one in Japan is having a healthy relationship, I'm sure plenty are, but problems like the lolita thing do not occur in a vacuum. I am amazed everyday by all the stuff I see my elementary school kids doing after school (piano, hockey practice, cram school) but I also see these little girls and little boys with a desperate look in their eyes when they make one mistake and pressures like that have a price.
Very interesting post dude.
indeed....thanx for that
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I, for one, am glad US porn never fixates on age and treats women with the utmost respect.
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Porn hardly is the ultimate indicator of any society's mental health. If you ask a psychiatrist or sexologist working with given population to tell you some stories, he or she certainly can tell you a lot of stories about people with issues, but people without such issues wouldn't seek this kind of specialists' help. Now I assume people who enjoy healthy relationships with their sexual partners (get laid without hurting each other this way or another) aren't the core target audience of rape-themed etc. porn.
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Taylor wrote:I, for one, am glad US porn never fixates on age and treats women with the utmost respect.
Lolz.
Obiwanshinobi wrote:Porn hardly is the ultimate indicator of any society's mental health. If you ask a psychiatrist or sexologist working with given population to tell you some stories, he or she certainly can tell you a lot of stories about people with issues, but people without such issues wouldn't seek this kind of specialists' help. Now I assume people who enjoy healthy relationships with their sexual partners (get laid without hurting each other this way or another) aren't the core target audience of rape-themed etc. porn.
Porn hardly is the ultimate indicator of any society's mental health. If you ask a psychiatrist or sexologist working with given population to tell you some stories, he or she certainly can tell you a lot of stories about people with issues, but people without such issues wouldn't seek this kind of specialists' help. Now I assume people who enjoy healthy relationships with their sexual partners (get laid without hurting each other this way or another) aren't the core target audience of rape-themed etc. porn.
True say, of course there is a large demographic with healthier sexual interests (like Gaijinpunch's dōseiaisha fixation), but IMO the issue is more to do with a lack of limitation around content and it's permutation in the mainstream. Such unfettered media can easily influence from a young age through videogames and manga for example.
Women widely being viewed as objects is not something that is discouraged in the representations of the sexes in Japan. Doesn't mean anyone is necessarily mentally unhealthy, perhaps just heavily influenced.
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Now we're getting somewhere.

Anyway, as for the comment about U.S. porn...of course it's disrespectful, and all of the 18yearsold, and pure 18 and little april, and all those sites really try to push the teen thing.

But even still, I see a prepubescent thing going on in J Porn, that I can't help but wonder "what's up with that". And the rape thing is completely impossible to not notice, if you've ever seen a single J AV(or MANY animes). And if it's not flat out rape, there's always the screaming and feigning displeasure in the sex scenes. You can't help but wonder "what's going on here".
Almost all of my favorite animes have some rape, or near rape scene. Such as Akira, Royal Space Force, Ninja Scroll, etc.. And let us not forget that lovely "fake rape" scene in Perfect Blue. The list could go on for eons.
Well, Miyazaki's women certainly seem empowered. It's almost feminist :lol: .

So, that's why I made my stupid thread.
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evil_ash_xero wrote:Now we're getting somewhere.

Anyway, as for the comment about U.S. porn...of course it's disrespectful, and all of the 18yearsold, and pure 18 and little april, and all those sites really try to push the teen thing.

But even still, I see a prepubescent thing going on in J Porn, that I can't help but wonder "what's up with that". And the rape thing is completely impossible to not notice, if you've ever seen a single J AV(or MANY animes). And if it's not flat out rape, there's always the screaming and feigning displeasure in the sex scenes. You can't help but wonder "what's going on here".
Almost all of my favorite animes have some rape, or near rape scene. Such as Akira, Royal Space Force, Ninja Scroll, etc.. And let us not forget that lovely "fake rape" scene in Perfect Blue. The list could go on for eons.
Well, Miyazaki's women certainly seem empowered. It's almost feminist :lol: .

So, that's why I made my stupid thread.
Perversions and fetishes can be adopted at any age. Someone with no interest in watersports could probably become accustomed and seek out more if they have enough exposure to women pissing their pants. The key of course is women themselves, because although they are to be respected as people, natural carnal instincts will always make them sexually desirable. Put sexually desirable women into perverted fetishitic situations and someone will find it a turn on and then be hungry for more.
I think most fetishes originate from young ages though. Things like the act of rape (which is a fetish relating to male dominance in which you don't need to get permission) is so common in Japanese commercial media kids can't help but see it. That sort of thing either sticks with you or re-occurs in the mind when you reach puberty or it dissappears entirely.

In the UK the only thing I hear about rape is if someone has been raped. I can't open a newspaper and get a few sexually arousing photo stories of a hot chick getting gangbanged against her will, whereas a kid in Japan can pick up a leftover manga on the train or wander into a bookstore and get their eyeballs filled up with graphic depictions.
I think Japan views catering to perversions as a natural right, and as long as it's not hurting anyone it can be graphically explored to the limit.

Its unsurprising they have a snowball effect and undesirable social consequences.

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Am I the weird one that thinks porn servers one purpose, and one purpose only: to have something to wank to?
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GaijinPunch wrote:Am I the weird one that thinks porn servers one purpose, and one purpose only: to have something to wank to?
No, everyone thinks that.

You are the wierd one though.
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