Ketsui X and Daioujou Black Label X - Ports for Xbox 360

[yosai]

360 + CRT != scanlines. Not without some magic in between.

"Magic" == a cable. Is there "magic" between the PCB's in my cab and the CRT? Again:

Scanlines are inherent in the [CRT] itself.

Playing an xbox 360 on a crt does not give you scanlines... unfortunately.

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[SP3RRFEUER]

360 + CRT != scanlines. Not without some magic in between.

"Magic" == a cable. Is there "magic" between the PCB's in my cab and the CRT? Again:

Scanlines are inherent in the [CRT] itself.

Playing an xbox 360 on a crt does not give you scanlines... unfortunately.

The best way to have awesome (fake) scanlines in all variations horizontally and vertically on a hdtv is the DeckLink HD Extreme 3D.

[dmauro]

360 + CRT != scanlines. Not without some magic in between.

"Magic" == a cable. Is there "magic" between the PCB's in my cab and the CRT? Again:

Scanlines are inherent in the [CRT] itself.

360 + CRT != scanlines AS MONSTER THICK AS I WANT THEM TO BE. Not without some magic in between.

Fixed.
-ud

Okay, if we're going to get that technical about the definition of a scanline, then the scanline is actually the image itself and not the space between.

The point stands: the 360 can not inherently do 240p, which is what a scanline option would be trying to emulate whether it's on a CRT or LCD.

[Udderdude]

The best way to have awesome (fake) scanlines in all variations horizontally and vertically on a hdtv is the DeckLink HD Extreme 3D.

Are you on crack? That thing costs $1000.

[Kron]

http://5pb.jp/games/div2/ketsuiex/media/special.html

[ZOM]

The best way to have awesome (fake) scanlines in all variations horizontally and vertically on a hdtv is the DeckLink HD Extreme 3D.

Are you on crack? That thing costs $1000.

Yeah but it's an awesome piece of equipment. Of course, "just" using this for Live-keying isn't very convenient, but if you're in need of an universal capture solution AND like to mess with realtime overlays that thing is great and believe it or not it's one of the more affordable hardware for this task.

[SP3RRFEUER]

The best way to have awesome (fake) scanlines in all variations horizontally and vertically on a hdtv is the DeckLink HD Extreme 3D.

Are you on crack? That thing costs $1000.

Yeah but it's an awesome piece of equipment. Of course, "just" using this for Live-keying isn't very convenient, but if you're in need of an universal capture solution AND like to mess with realtime overlays that thing is great and believe it or not it's one of the more affordable hardware for this task.

There's nothing more to say...

[emphatic]

http://5pb.jp/games/div2/ketsuiex/media/special.html

Thanks a lot for that link. Led me to: http://5pb.jp/games/div2/ketsuiex/media ... xmode.html

My god X Mode looks awesome. Canceling suicide bullets extravaganza!

[brokenhalo]

i like how they put the little overlay box on the cancellable enemies. nice touch.

and the remix music tracks sound fucking awesome.

[yosai]

and the remix music tracks sound fucking awesome.

I don't know about that. The EQ is much better but the lack of the Amen and the other sampled breaks makes it sound more like MIDI shit.

Still great tunes though.

[ave]

i like how they put the little overlay box on the cancellable enemies. nice touch.

Agreed, X-Mode looks pretty nice. I'm really looking forward to it now

and the remix music tracks sound fucking awesome.

No way, I thought it sounded awful compared to the original track. Who remixed it by the way? Namiki himself? However, I really liked the DOJ BLEX remixed soundtrack, but this just sounds like a weakened "wave style" Ketsui. As long as it is possible I'd always choose the original OST to play.

[chempop]

I'm a little surprised that no one has brought this up, but does anyone find the near constant "beeping" from the lock on the slightest bit annoying? I worry that after a long play session I'll be hearing similar beeping sounds in the real word and it will trigger the immediate response for me to blow something innocent up.

[yosai]

I'm a little surprised that no one has brought this up, but does anyone find the near constant "beeping" from the lock on the slightest bit annoying? I worry that after a long play session I'll be hearing similar beeping sounds in the real word and it will trigger the immediate response for me to blow something innocent up.

That was one of the changes in the PCB revision.

It's annoying when your watching a replay but when playing it's well handy.

[Animaitor]

It's been discussed many times. To get scanlines while playing CAVE games on the 360 connected to an LCD (arcade mode) you need an Extron Emotia + XRGB-3, all for under $300.

As for the X-Mode video, it looks like a lot of fun!! Only thing that bothers me is the shadow of the flying ships... they disappear once in a while. I hope this is due to the way they captured the video...

[undamned]

Okay, if we're going to get that technical about the definition of a scanline, then the scanline is actually the image itself and not the space between.

I have failed the human race. I've seen moonbeams cross the shores of Orion... time... to die.
-ud

[SFKhoa]

Only thing that bothers me is the shadow of the flying ships... they disappear once in a while. I hope this is due to the way they captured the video...

This is exactly the case, so don't worry.

[StarCreator]

Okay, if we're going to get that technical about the definition of a scanline, then the scanline is actually the image itself and not the space between.

The point stands: the 360 can not inherently do 240p, which is what a scanline option would be trying to emulate whether it's on a CRT or LCD.

This is either a complete lie or a gross oversimplification.

If you're implying that all scanlines are a software effect that must be added to the source image, you cannot be further from the truth - scanlines are nothing more than a byproduct of older display technology. Any method you've listed in this thread to "support" scanlines are doing nothing more than modifying the source image to emulate this effect on newer displays that do not use the same refresh scheme.

[Animaitor]

Only thing that bothers me is the shadow of the flying ships... they disappear once in a while. I hope this is due to the way they captured the video...

This is exactly the case, so don't worry.

Good to know. Thanks SFKhoa!

[brokenhalo]

and the remix music tracks sound fucking awesome.

No way, I thought it sounded awful compared to the original track. Who remixed it by the way? Namiki himself? However, I really liked the DOJ BLEX remixed soundtrack, but this just sounds like a weakened "wave style" Ketsui. As long as it is possible I'd always choose the original OST to play.

my favorite remix track from BLEX was the epic stage 4 progressive guitar rock track. the ketsui tracks in that trailer sound like they lean more to that vein, with the exception of the first two stages which admittedly sound weaker than the original tracks.

[PsikyoPshumpPshooterP]

-1 point for being a 2D shmup.
-1 point for being retail and not XBLA.
-1 point for 5pb's "lack of appreciation of Famitsu"
-1 for being able to complete the game in under an hour.

best post by Elixir EVA

[brentsg]

-1 point for being a 2D shmup.
-1 point for being retail and not XBLA.
-1 point for 5pb's "lack of appreciation of Famitsu"
-1 for being able to complete the game in under an hour.

best post by Elixir EVA

I saw one of those "reviews" about ESPG II on the iPhone app store. It was a bitchfest about how the game was a waste of money at $5 because he beat it in 45 minutes by credit feeding. He even went on to say that just because it was more expensive on other platforms didn't make it worth $5.

[dmauro]

Okay, if we're going to get that technical about the definition of a scanline, then the scanline is actually the image itself and not the space between.

The point stands: the 360 can not inherently do 240p, which is what a scanline option would be trying to emulate whether it's on a CRT or LCD.

This is either a complete lie or a gross oversimplification.

If you're implying that all scanlines are a software effect that must be added to the source image, you cannot be further from the truth - scanlines are nothing more than a byproduct of older display technology. Any method you've listed in this thread to "support" scanlines are doing nothing more than modifying the source image to emulate this effect on newer displays that do not use the same refresh scheme.

That's not what I was implying at all. I was clarifying that the scanline is not the dark line, but the line where the beam is drawing on the CRT; we just usually refer to the dark lines as scanlines. Undamned was trying to say you get scanlines with a 360 on a CRT, and you do, technically you can't NOT have a scanline on a CRT, but what we want is the appearance of a greater distance between the scanlines (so you can see the dark lines). Since the 360 can't output 240p, the next best thing is a "scanline effect."

[undamned]

you can't NOT have a scanline on a CRT

Humanity saved.
-ud

[ncp]

Oh shmups forum and your infinite quest to add unnecessary black lines to your screens, you never cease to amaze me.

[dcharlie]

the only way to fly!

[ncp]

rofl

[dcharlie]

Sounds like some people out here in Japan getting their copies today, hopefully someone picks it up early on and gives a run down.

[velocity7]

http://ncsx.blogspot.com/2010/04/x360-k ... _2420.html

A supplier in Tokyo received a batch of X360 Ketsui Kizuna Jigoku Tachi Extra last Friday and shipped an allocation of the game to us. We've received the shipment today and we'll be able to clear roughly 3/4 of our reservations for the limited edition of the game and roughly 1/8 of our reservations of the regular edition. They received a lot more of the LE than the RE last week. The remainder of our shipments are scheduled to arrive on Tuesday of this week since most of our Japanese vendors did not receive their copies of Ketsui until last night.

Though this was posted earlier, this is a bit of an update that the stuff actually arrived today. Here's hoping mine gets shipped on Tuesday/Wednesday.

[PC Engine Fan X!]

I'd like to hear how accurate or not the XBox 360 game of Ketsui X is compared to the PCB variant.

Yeah, that above Ketsui X quote is taken from the NCSX site. Makes me wonder if Cave will release this in the USA...Aksys Games could do it properly with some cool extra goodies.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[drunkninja24]

I'd like to hear how accurate or not the XBox 360 game of Ketsui X is compared to the PCB variant.

Yeah, that above Ketsui X quote is taken from the NCSX site. Makes me wonder if Cave will release this in the USA...Aksys Games could do it properly with some cool extra goodies.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

I saw a video of the 360 Ketsui side-by-side with the PCB on Nico Nico for the first stage, and the main difference that was apparent was that the warning screen for the boss appeared a little less than a second earlier on the 360, most likely due to the removal of slowdown.