mission impossible: the 65m donpachi video

[zlk]

For about 7 years now, I have been searching for a good donpachi video. It is one of the few cave games with no decent replay available. People have said they have a seen a 50m point replay video, but then couldn't explicitly say where they saw it or where they first heard about it. DBS and WTN have 70m+ videos recorded but will not part with them for any amount of money. A contact of mine was supposed to get replays from the new B/C record holders, but for some inexplicable reason failed to get them. The contact has since gone silent. The new B world record was never reported to arcadia. The world of donpachi is so secretive, not only will players not share videos, they don't want their scores known either.

BG44 has captured a 65m point run. Apparently it is available on his otaba page: http://www.geocities.jp/bgrtype/speedow ... index.html

The problem is getting to the page is not going to be an easy task. People have tried to gain access to his 2.1B doj run and failed miserably. I am sure getting to the donpachi video will be even harder. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to somehow get the video to be released publicly. This is not going to be easy. Good luck, you'll need it. This task is not for the faint of heart.

[lgb]

<Megalixir> um, you're not getting the donpachi vid, stop trying
<lgb_> oh boy
<lgb_> don't tell me they expect you to have a cell phone for this
<Megalixir> yes.
<Megalixir> and over 100 posts on said account
<Megalixir> and you need to be manually accepted
<lgb_> ...that explains a lot

well he released his DOJ vid so maybe he'll release the DP vid at some point...? (edit: wait that's not the 2.1B)

BGR is cool, surely he'd do it eventually. try asking him, I think he knows a very small bit of English

[Plasmo]

Getting the 65mill replay truly is MISSION IMPOSSIBLE and will never happen.

Out of interest, what are the highest scores for each ship, especially those that were not submitted to Arcadia. I'd like to update my list please...

[Udderdude]

Why is the scoring in this game so secretive? Is this what happens when you come up with super secret techniques? >_>

[zlk]

I don't have the exact scores. I was just told from a reliable source that the B record was beaten. Maybe the player thought they could score much higher and never bothered to submit the score to arcadia. This was way back in 2006. The C score in arcadia is the highest score known.

[Plasmo]

Do you mean A-type maybe? The highest I know from Arcadia for C-type is *only* 55mill, while the highest A-Type score is 71mill.

This topic makes me sad and excited everytime I open it.

[zlk]

I do mean B type. That score was beaten, but I never got the exact figure.

The top A scores were done by a few players. These guys worked in a group to figure out the patterns. Some people in the group are known (WTN, DBS), some are not. A few of the people in the group don't want their patterns released for whatever reason. DBS has scored at least 72.4m on donpachi. There is a screen shot of this on his mixi page. If you get a chance, ask them in person what their highest score is. My guess is this: if anyone submits a higher score to arcadia, take your life savings and bet that it will be beaten the next month.

[Mero]

Someone ought to kidnap one of these players and force them to make a high scoring Donpachi video at gunpoint

[Udderdude]

Someone ought to kidnap one of these players and force them to make a high scoring Donpachi video at gunpoint

They've probably got cyanide pills. They're ready and willing to die with their secrets to protect the Donpachi WR brotherhood .. >_>

[orange]

gonna post in this thread since donpachi owns and it would rock to see a high-end replay of it

[kid aphex]

what a bizarre group of people.

[Smraedis]

Such a replay would be so helpful, but these DonPachi secrets have to stay as secrets... they must be worried that one of us may beat them.

[Udderdude]

"Noone must know our seeeeeeeecrets~" >:O

[zlk]

Look at these dvds: http://bgr44.blog.shinobi.jp/Entry/32/

[CStarFlare]

You're thinking of a different video

[zlk]

I mean "look at these dvds" that we will probably never be able to watch. I know they are different videos than those available (to 3 people in the world) at otaba.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

2.1bil? in DDP? fuck me thats quite a jump up to the scores we have here EDIT scratch that i miss read its for DOJ

Noob question, whats the DDP WR? (really i should of asked the other WR question on the this thread so pls dont rip my face off .)

[Plasmo]

DOJ

[TrevHead (TVR)]

DOJ

yea ive already seen the error in my ways, shame im too slow a typer lol

[CStarFlare]

Noob question, whats the DDP WR? (really i should of asked the other WR question on the this thread so pls dont rip my face off .)

http://cowboy.ikaruga.co.uk/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=147

[Gemant]

http://www.arcade-extreme.com/download. ... 100501.zip

comments are in italian this time, but scores are the same of old AIVA site.

[Dragoforce]

Wow, thats great Gemant! My copy of the AIVA site is from 2005 and some of the records were quite outdated.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

That ikaruga.co.uk WR and Western Players pages are very intresting. One thing i noticed was the big difference in highscores between us western gamers and the eastern mostly japanese comunities. How does the eastern/ japanese shmup communty function for the way everyone stays in contact sharing scores and replays etc? I had always thought it was just like ours where most gamers dont mind sharing info and replays with the shmup comunity and it was largely down to the language / cultural barrier the main reason why western gamers are behind eastern for score.

Is the Japanese shmup commity much more secretive with top gamers keeping their cards to their chests and only sharing info between a small closed circle of friends?

Or is it a conspiracy to keep those damn gaijin from competing on the same level

[clp]

its really not that hard to figure out why majority of world records are held in japan .

[TrevHead (TVR)]

i know its because all the shmups come from japan and arcades are still alive and kicking but i still didnt realise the west was so far behind them even for shmups ported to console aswell as pcb / mame.

[clp]

its mostly just a simple dedication issue which can be down to culture and other things , i bet if you could see the hours a top player from japan racks up on just one game and compare it to the west you would have your answer straight away .

[zlk]

I think part of it might be because of dedication. How many players want to (and have time to) play 4 hours a day 7 days a week? I would love to be able to play that much, but these days that is impossible.

A HUGE part of it is that the Japanese can actually watch each other play in arcades. I remember back when arcades were around, even when I watched bad players play a game it gave me new ideas to work on. When you only have one superplay to watch (if that), you might be able to imitate the player in some areas of the game. However this might not be the best thing for the way you approach the game. If you get to watch 5 or 6 people attack the same area of a game, you might find one way that works best for you. When you get people talking to each other about how best to score in a game level or how to beat a certain boss, things get figured out very quickly.

[Limbrooke]

I mean "look at these dvds" that we will probably never be able to watch. I know they are different videos than those available (to 3 people in the world) at otaba.

Why not? Someone goes through the trouble of making a DVD, multiple DVDs and somehow this won't be sold or released publicly? Perhaps you know more in the case of BGR-44 than I, but if it's not for public distribution then that's really nuts. I'd certainly like to see that and the DonPachi one, as like others I enjoy watching replays for the heck of it. If secrecy and keeping it all under wraps is the objective why would knowledge be openly distributed of replays being available?

Also, what's preventing people from registering properly with otaba, pardon perhaps living in overseas? I cannot see why some of the people over there already (on the forum) couldn't register.

[zlk]

Perhaps EOJ, PLASMO or GP can chime in on why getting to his otaba videos is a nightmare. Apparently you have to make 100 posts, have a Japanese cell phone, then somehow get permission from the guy, then you can watch the video. I think it was posted that only 2 or 3 people had met these requirements.

As far as secrecy goes, I have NO idea why someone would produce a DVD and then limit access to it. Perhaps they trade videos with other like minded people who also refuse to sell their replays. It seems crazy, but that is the way it is. What would you say to a player who achieves world records, has them on tape, then only tells a few of his close friends about the scores? The player wants to keep his score private. To me this is just insane.

[Limbrooke]

Perhaps EOJ, PLASMO or GP can chime in on why getting to his otaba videos is a nightmare. Apparently you have to make 100 posts, have a Japanese cell phone, then somehow get permission from the guy, then you can watch the video. I think it was posted that only 2 or 3 people had met these requirements.

If I had the means, I'd definitely try but it sounds like it is asking a lot and even then if the guy can choose to decline access, ho boy.

As far as secrecy goes, I have NO idea why someone would produce a DVD and then limit access to it. Perhaps they trade videos with other like minded people who also refuse to sell their replays. It seems crazy, but that is the way it is. What would you say to a player who achieves world records, has them on tape, then only tells a few of his close friends about the scores? The player wants to keep his score private. To me this is just insane.

The trading of replays seems possible although to have this information posted on a website, yeah, insanity. Seems like a lot, a lot of trouble for very little result. Perhaps that's just the memorandum, professional sharing?