XRGB-3

[Konsolkongen]

Thank you

[Sabishii Hito]

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[lucaspolan]

Micomsoft's XRGB-2 Plus is an upgrade to their original XRGB-2



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[evil_ash_xero]

urpose of playing 240p games? I have an official DC VGA box, but I thought RGB is completely disabled when the mode switch is set to TV (disables sync buffer circuit)???

Thats a damn good question. I also use the original SEGA VGA box so it's not because of RGBs. Never thought about using the passthrough since the input is DVI. I should get an adapter and try it out

The PC passthrough uses a DVI-I connector so that either analog or digital signals can be "passed through". Remeber the menu setting for this input (Auto/VGA/DVI)?

So get something like two items (or just a DVI to VGA adapter and 3.5mm cable):
http://www.monoprice.com/products/produ ... 1&format=2

I ordered this exact item and it will not connect to my XRGB3. Any solutions? Adapters? The pins don't match up.

[RGB32E]

The PC passthrough uses a DVI-I connector so that either analog or digital signals can be "passed through". Remeber the menu setting for this input (Auto/VGA/DVI)?

So get something like two items (or just a DVI to VGA adapter and 3.5mm cable):
http://www.monoprice.com/products/produ ... 1&format=2

I ordered this exact item and it will not connect to my XRGB3. Any solutions? Adapters? The pins don't match up.

Sounds like you're trying to connect the cable to the DVI-D output instead of the DVI-I input. That DVI-A connector should plug into the PC IN connector. DVI-A connector (on the cable) has four pins for R, G, B, and H-Sync. On a DVI-D female connector, there are no holes for those "analog-only" pins.

So, connect the cable to the DVI connector on the right!!!


DVI cables only come terminated with DVI-D Dual Link, DVI-D Single Link, or DVI-A:


This should solve the issue (connect DVI-A plug into DVI-I Dual Link socket).

[evil_ash_xero]

You're right. I'm an idiot.

But right now i'm still trying to get it to work....

[RGB32E]

You're right. I'm an idiot.

But right now i'm still trying to get it to work....

It's ok... also, Fudoh has mentioned having to set the PC input setting to "VGA" if you're running B1. IIRC, with the latest FW, setting the PC input to Auto should work fine, regardless of FPGA mode. It's just a matter of feeding the signal to the PC input before selecting the PC input on the XRGB-3. If no signal is sensed, the PC input will switch back to the previous input.

[evil_ash_xero]

Got it working.

I do have a problem though. When I hook my DC up to my monitor directly, or using this method, I get faint vertical lines on my screen. When I use the normal method with the XRGB, I don't have them, but I get interference. Doesn't seem I can get the picture i'm wanting here.

Does the DC have interference with the SCART cables, as the PS2 does not.

[akumajo]

nice find, this PC passthrough tip should be added to wiki

I tested with my dreamcast :

1) use correct cable / adapter
2) set PC IN MODE to AUTO or VGA
3) press PC/AV button

Note : does not works for me in B1 mode (but works for Konsolkongen)

any improvement while using PC IN input ?

[Fudoh]

does not works in B1 mode

Konsolkongen's picture in this posting was taken in B1: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 95#p555595

[akumajo]

does not works in B1 mode

Konsolkongen's picture in this posting was taken in B1: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 95#p555595

hehe, does it works for you fudoh ?
i use vga cable + vga to dvi adapter

[Fudoh]

didn't try yet, sorry.

[evil_ash_xero]

Works for me in B1 mode.

[Konsolkongen]

You need to have something else turned on and connected to the XRGB-3 before you can switch to the PC-in in B1 mode.

Example:
Turn on your console connected to the XRGB-3 (GAME IN/D2...) and switch to that input.
Turn on your Dreamcast connected to the PC-IN.
Press the PC/AV button and you should get a nice picture from the Dreamcast (it looks perfect here).
Now you can turn off the other console and still have the picture from the Dreamcast.

Pretty retarded but works fine afterwards. If anyone is connecting the Dreamcast Audio to the PC in minijack socket on the XRGB-3 could you please test if the audio is worse than using the D2 input. It sounded pretty horrible when i tried it

[Niraflen]

I received my XRGB-3 from Japan last week. Using 2.12 firmware (and 1.00 B1 firmware) my television (a Sony KDL-52XBR4) works just fine with B1 mode, but does not work correctly with most of the B0 modes. This surprised me since the XBR5 (which is supposed to be the same panel with just a different shiny bezel around the TV) has been reported as working correctly up to 1680x1050. Here are my results over VGA and DVI with this television:

B0 VGA on Sony KDL-52XBR4:
640x480 - Reported as 848x480. By enabling VSync, SOME sources will then appear as 640x480 while others continue to appear (and are stretched) to 848x480 (the TV doesn't offer a 4:3/16:9 adjustment at this ratio, it just has it fill the screen or fill more of the screen). For those sources which do render correctly, some of them result in signal dropout.
1024x768 - Fine, fewer dropouts with VSync on.
1280x768 - Fine, fewer dropouts with VSync on.
1360x768 - Messed up aspect ratio.
1680x1050 - No image, regardless of VSync setting.
1920x1080 - No image, regardless of FULL_HD timing setting and VSync setting.

B0 DVI on Sony KDL-52XBR4 (tested by connecting via HDMI-DVI cable to the HDMI2 input of the TV directly and to the HDMI1 input via passthrough from an Onkyo SR-606 receiver)
640x480 - Fine, fewer dropouts with VSync off.
1024x768 - Fine, fewer dropouts with VSync off.
1280x768 - Fine, fewer dropouts with VSync off.
1360x768 - Fine, fewer dropouts with VSync off.
1680x1050 - No image, regardless of VSync setting.
1920x1080 - No image, regardless of FULL_HD timing setting and VSync setting.

B1 VGA on Sony KDL-52XBR4:
Works fine. "No signal" onscreen initially until a connected source on the XRGB3 is active; will show the XRGB3 bluescreen when no source is active thereafter.

On a Dell 2405FPW LCD monitor, B1 mode works fine and B0 mode on VGA works fine right up to 1920x1200 without any tweaking. I didn't test the B0 via DVI.

I'd like to test the low resolution modes on a Commodore 1084S-D (with the 9-pin male RGB connector on the back), but I would have to build my own adapter to convert VGA to their custom 9-pin connector to test out low resolution modes on it. (I will say that connecting an Amiga to the XRGB3's D2 RGB input via a Commodore-branded 23-pin-to-15-pin adapter worked flawlessly in B1. This was in NTSC mode though, I don't expect playing games in 50Hz mode to work properly given what I've read in this thread and on other forums before.)

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Meanwhile, I've noticed what I'm interpreting as a major bug present in the English 2.12 firmware unless someone can indicate to me otherwise. I am completely unable to select the "D2Zoom" option (for PSP use) using the English firmware. It works just fine for me on the Japanese firmware, but on the English firmware, the selection arrow absolutely refuses to move to the D2Zoom and only lets me select the Std or Uscn options. This is from a freshly installed and hardware-reset state in both cases in B0. (Even in B1 I can select it on the Japanese firmware, of course it doesn't use that option in B1.) I reflashed multiple times each language to confirm this wasn't a fluke. Can anyone else comment on their ability to select D2Zoom using the English firmware?

[akumajo]

Meanwhile, I've noticed what I'm interpreting as a major bug present in the English 2.12 firmware unless someone can indicate to me otherwise. I am completely unable to select the "D2Zoom" option (for PSP use) using the English firmware. It works just fine for me on the Japanese firmware, but on the English firmware, the selection arrow absolutely refuses to move to the D2Zoom and only lets me select the Std or Uscn options. This is from a freshly installed and hardware-reset state in both cases in B0. (Even in B1 I can select it on the Japanese firmware, of course it doesn't use that option in B1.) I reflashed multiple times each language to confirm this wasn't a fluke. Can anyone else comment on their ability to select D2Zoom using the English firmware?

i reported this problem to micomsoft

[akumajo]

You need to have something else turned on and connected to the XRGB-3 before you can switch to the PC-in in B1 mode.

Example:
Turn on your console connected to the XRGB-3 (GAME IN/D2...) and switch to that input.
Turn on your Dreamcast connected to the PC-IN.
Press the PC/AV button and you should get a nice picture from the Dreamcast (it looks perfect here).
Now you can turn off the other console and still have the picture from the Dreamcast.

Pretty retarded but works fine afterwards. If anyone is connecting the Dreamcast Audio to the PC in minijack socket on the XRGB-3 could you please test if the audio is worse than using the D2 input. It sounded pretty horrible when i tried it

ok B1 works with your method BUT i'm not sure that is running in B0 or B1 mode, at least i cant see any difference switching from b0 to b1

fact :
- switching to b1 mode and changing scanline do nothing
- changing resolution DOES not really changing resolution (check Status Screen in menu, you will always see 640 x 480)

so if you want to use B1 mode (no sence since i doesnt change anything, at least for me) you must use Konsolkongen trick

Quality is superb, and VGA input can be used for something else.

Current setup : NTSC Dreamcast + Unofficial VGA Box + VGA cable with VGA to DVI adapter + XRGB3 (default setting). Tested with Ikaruga.
I just push PC/AV and it works.

Someone else confirm that B0/B1 mode makes no sence while using PC/IN ?

[Fudoh]

Someone else confirm that B0/B1 mode makes no sence while using PC/IN ?

Still haven't tried it, but of course it shouldn't make any difference. It's a passthrough mode, so the output resolution has to follow to the PC input resolution.

[akumajo]

Someone else confirm that B0/B1 mode makes no sence while using PC/IN ?

Still haven't tried it, but of course it shouldn't make any difference. It's a passthrough mode, so the output resolution has to follow to the PC input resolution.

thats why i dont understand why they use it in "B1" mode (useless extra steps ?!)

[Fudoh]

When the XRGB-3 was new there was a problem when switching into PC mode while using B1. This is why I initially asked if the PC-thru mode works "in" B1 mode... Once you're in PC mode there's no difference.

[Konsolkongen]

I don't know why i insisted on using the B1 mode for passthrough. I guess there is no difference (delay) in the two modes. Akumajo could you report the switching trick to Micomsoft? Would be nice if i didn't have to turn on something else to get a picture from the Dreamcast, and it would be easier than switching to B0 mode too.

[akumajo]

I don't know why i insisted on using the B1 mode for passthrough. I guess there is no difference (delay) in the two modes. Akumajo could you report the switching trick to Micomsoft? Would be nice if i didn't have to turn on something else to get a picture from the Dreamcast, and it would be easier than switching to B0 mode too.

i will ask but you are not supposed to use a Dreamcast with this input so i dont think that they will do anything, will update if i have some news about this.

[5tranger]

Hey guys,

So I've come across a problem with playing King of Fighters (2002 Unlimited Match and 98 Ultimate Match to be more exact) on the PS2,

As I pull a special, the screen goes black

My changed settings are as followed:
B1 Mode
Brightness: 40
Gamma: 30
Sharpness: 0
H Scanlines: 191
LPF: ON
Pixel Mapping: On
Resolution: 1680x1050

It does not happen on B0 Mode.

Here is a video (sorry for phone cam quality): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnGUO9iR86g

Will someone explain to me what is happening , I'd like to play on B1 mode preferably

[Fudoh]

Brightness: 40
Gamma: 30

while not relatated to your problem, why so high Gamma settings ? You should try not to compensate low brightness settings (Black Level in the XRGB options) with the Gamma option.

Will someone explain to me what is happening

the XRGB's loosing sync on white screen flashes because the signal level is too high. It's been some time since I played those two, but don't they both have a "Flash" option which allows you to turn off the white flashes during specials ? Many NG games had this option as it's been a problem on many CRTs back in the days already.

[5tranger]

Thanks Fudoh for the reply and the recommendation,

Yes they both do have the option to turn on/off the Flash but the issue still occurs when it is off , in fact that video I took was with the option off

[akumajo]

i had a similar problem with this setup : super famicom -> no name rgb cable -> scart euro switch -> XRGB-3

i was able to have a better stability when changing AFC level/NTSC dot clock but was not perfect

the solution was to use official snes rgb cable directly on XRGB-3 or a composite cable

which cable are you using ? the cable is directly connected to XRGB-3 ?

[5tranger]

I am using the Official SCPH-1050 RGB cable from ps2 directly into the xrgb-3, and a vga cable from the xrgb-3 to my Dell 2209wa monitor

[akumajo]

I am using the Official SCPH-1050 RGB cable from ps2 directly into the xrgb-3, and a vga cable from the xrgb-3 to my Dell 2209wa monitor

no luck then maybe try with a composite/svideo cable just to be sure that is/or not a problem with rgb cable... , could be a problem with your monitor as Fudoh said. i suppose that you tested with another monitor ?

i will try KOF 98 Ultimate Match to see how it is doing with my setup.

[Fudoh]

I am using the Official SCPH-1050 RGB cable from ps2 directly into the xrgb-3

you could try changing the input termination and compensate with the picture settings for the darker picture.

[5tranger]

So I went ahead and tried out Composite video and no luck, same with trying on another monitor with another vga cable