Useless RPG characters (May contain spoilers)

FatCobra · Post by **FatCobra** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:46 am

With all the recent talk about RPGs, I was wondering who you thought was worthless and was simply dead weight for your party. Usually, the more characters in an RPG, the more useless ones you get. Here's who I thought was useless:

Final Fantasy 6

Cyan - Pretty cool character on paper (a samauri?), but in my game, he tends to sit in the airship since I feel he doesn't do good damage and I don't like waiting too long for his Sword Techs

Strago - Never liked Blue Mages, as hunting down their magic skills was always a huge pain in the ass. Plus, for a mage, he's got a real low Magic stat. At least his grandchild Relm can be made into a kick-ass spellcaster.

Umaro - You can't control this big smelly Yeti and his combat options are really limited.

Setzer - I like him plot-wise, but his combat abilites are sub-par, and you can accidently kill your party with his Slots command if you're unlucky.

Final Fantasy 7

Cait Sith - I know all the characters in FF7 are pretty much the same except for limit breaks, but this robo cat riding on an overstuffed moogle always bugged me, and he almost never spent time in my party.

Yuffie - She stole my damn Materia and she's an annoying little brat. Nuff said.

Aeris - Go thru all that trouble getting her limit breaks and what does she do? Gets freaking stabbed by that white-haired prettyboy Sephorth.

Final Fantasy 9

Quina Quien - Once again, I hate Blue Mages and he/she/it is just annoying and a pain in the ass. Who decided that it's sporks should do random damage?

Dagger and Ekio -I lumped these two girls together because they share similar abilites. Why must all healers be such wuss hitters?

Breath of Fire III

Nina (adult) - She's good to have when you are a kid, but when you meet up with her again as an adult, her attack magic doesn't seem to useful anymore.

Momo - Her bazooka always misses, and you're pretty much forced to use her throughout the entire game, as she's the only one who can fix and understand all the ancient techonolgy you run into. I guess she's not totally useless because she is an excellent healer, but that's all she pretty much does.

Peco - I really couldn't use this onion guy really well, so I ignored him throughout most of the game.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:07 am

Chrono Cross.

...

Yes, the whole thing.

Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:13 am

Skies of Arcadia:

Fina

Useless in regular combat.

FatCobra · Post by **FatCobra** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:16 am

sethsez wrote:Chrono Cross.

...

Yes, the whole thing.

I never touched that game because I heard it had some weird battle system like FF8's and that it had like 40 characters. Seriously, what would you do with all those guys? I have a hard enough time picking who to take with me in FF6!!

Chrono Trigger was pretty good as far as character useage was concerned. Everyone had a role. My party usually consisted of Crono, Robo, and Ayla (I like hard hitters with some healing powers).

Poo was kinda useless in Earthbound since he shows up kinda late in the game, but it's always good to have another warrior in the team right?

SFKhoa · Post by **SFKhoa** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:24 am

FatCobra wrote: I never touched that game because I heard it had some weird battle system like FF8's and that it had like 40 characters. Seriously, what would you do with all those guys?

*coughSuikodencough*

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:30 am

FatCobra wrote:I never touched that game because I heard it had some weird battle system like FF8's and that it had like 40 characters. Seriously, what would you do with all those guys?

Well, it's like FFVIII in that it's too gimmicky for its own good, but it's not really similar in execution.

As for what to do with all of them... well, you collect them. You don't actually use them.

Dartagnan1083 · Post by **Dartagnan1083** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:55 am

Damocles wrote:Skies of Arcadia:

Fina

Useless in regular combat.

Her S-moves and Silver Magic are indespensible though.
Combat is only real bad against bosses.
Final-Cupil remains strong against most enemies.

But I'm just nitpicking.
She does next to nothing in the middle of the game.

it290 · Post by **it290** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:03 am

Shining Force : Jogurt. The ultimate incarnation of a useless character. (Actually, half the characters in the Force games are pretty damn useless, but..)

Dartagnan1083 · Post by **Dartagnan1083** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:05 am

yeah...Yogurt is pretty much designed to be useless.
Although his movement range is ungodly compared to the average character.
But having 1HP pretty much jinxs it.

IlMrm · Post by **IlMrm** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:34 am

sethsez wrote:Chrono Cross.

...

Yes, the whole thing.

At least the characters that you don't use will level up automatically. My party is always Serge, Kid, and one of the girls.

Breath of Fire 1 - Mogu. His whole dream thing and where his emotions get separated felt totally tacked on, just to make the game a little longer. Of course they designed it so you can't advance in the game unless you get him, since he'll have the special ability which you'll need.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:12 am

Chancey in Pokemon

it was totally my favorite pokemon, but it was completely useless...

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:09 am

Actually Magikarp was more useless, and pokemon isn't under the 'RPG' catagory. Though, enjoying the choices between 'Splash' or 'Splash' was fun.

I'm going to ruffle some feathers.

Marle in Chrono Trigger.

Utterly, completely useless. If you want to cast Haste on your allies, wear the Haste Helm. The only thing she's useful for is early-mid game healing.

Now, I know there's this double-team attack available between Marle and Lucca, but it isn't worth having an entire character in your team just for one special attack. Lucca is better, but considering the fact that you're going to be replacing 2 characters with Marle and Lucca, this means that your third will most likely be Crono.

Crono, Lucca, Marle. Oh what a typical default game you have. This team is horrid, considering it doesn't include the likes of Frog or Magus. Over to personal preference: Crono, Magus, Frog. Since Magus kicks ass and Frog's an emo kid, they don't have any double/triple team abilities. This doesn't matter because Frog's healing skills replaces the whole Marle scene, and Magus' array of skills more than make up for what you're missing out on if you'd have him replaced by Lucca.

Another useless character is Yuffie in Final Fantasy VII. I'm pretty sure you know why she's useless, so I don't want to detail myself in that department.

And lastly, Marona from Phantom Brave. It's rather stupid to point this out, as it's apparent to anybody who bothered with this game, but she summons your phantoms. And she can heal - barely. Aside from being one of the "stars" of the game, she's pretty useless herself. She doesn't level like the others. Fact is, I have my phantoms at roughly level 45 each, and she's level 12.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:21 am

yeah, pokemon wasn't technically an rpg, but i was technically jsut being a jerk-ass.

magnum opus · Post by **magnum opus** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 11:50 am

sue from grandia

she's useless in melee so you give her a bunch of mana eggs THEN SHE LEAVES it'd be one things is mana eggs just grew on trees but nooo. also yeah marle is pretty useless. i think my friends and i tended to use a frog lucca chrono team, through really as long as chrono has confusion you don't need much else.

Icecap Veiwin · Post by **Icecap Veiwin** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:04 pm

Dude, Chansey is broken in Red Blue and Yellow, because there isn't Blissey.

Uh..as for the topic? Aeris in FF7. I mean, she dies on the first disc.

roushimsx · Post by **roushimsx** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:07 pm

Star Ocean 3: Director's Cut
Peppita and Adray

Disgaea
Those fucking Prinnies

Shining Force
Jesus, it'd be quicker to list who wasn't worthless

Minzoku · Post by **Minzoku** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:16 pm

FatCobra wrote:Cait Sith - I know all the characters in FF7 are pretty much the same except for limit breaks, but this robo cat riding on an overstuffed moogle always bugged me, and he almost never spent time in my party.

Oddly enough, I liked having Cait Sith in my party, as goofy as he was. I got sick of playing the game after the first time through, though.

captain ahar wrote:Chancey in Pokemon

it was totally my favorite pokemon, but it was completely useless...

What about Metapod?

*all Metapod can do is harden* Yes, yes, it can turn into Butterfree, but in that state, I mean

Too bad my favourite, Mew, is an "available as contest prize only unless you hack and ruin your game acquisition

That's cheap!

I mean, maybe they changed that in newer games, but I imagine they're already trying to focus on the other 503043043084 Pokemon they made up

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:29 pm

I love the Suikoden games! And I like the idea of collecting characters instead of, you know, rusty swords, or various items. At least characters have a little background to uncover. And hey, to an extent they are all important, because you have to get them all to get a nice bonus.

Chrono Cross, on the other hand, I never played... Seemed a far cry from the original.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:09 pm

Turrican wrote:Chrono Cross, on the other hand, I never played... Seemed a far cry from the original.

It's really more of a full-fledged Radical Dreamers than a Chrono Trigger sequel. Radical Dreamers, simple though it was, was okay as a bit of a gaiden, but the changes between that and CC managed to break the link a bit too much for my taste.

judesalmon · Post by **judesalmon** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:48 pm

If Pokemon isn't an RPG, what is it?

Dartagnan1083 · Post by **Dartagnan1083** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:58 pm

judesalmon wrote:If Pokemon isn't an RPG, what is it?

Shit?!?

kidding...kidding

Star Ocean 2

Bowman-useless in combat...short range attack, and pitiful KMs

Star Ocean 3

Adray-slow short range attack that does little damage. Long range attack is MPdamage onle. Sophia has most of his magics and more.

Rodger-his better moves take too long to do much of anything. He also gets them late in the game.

Fayt's sword-serriously...does he even know how to swing that thing?

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:01 pm

Dartagnan1083 wrote:Fayt's sword-serriously...does he even know how to swing that thing?

He's my favorite character to use.

Dartagnan1083 · Post by **Dartagnan1083** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:19 pm

sethsez wrote:
Dartagnan1083 wrote:Fayt's sword-serriously...does he even know how to swing that thing?
He's my favorite character to use.

I use him a lot, but it's more for his KMs. When I use his standard attacks he misses most of the time. Although his Distanced Strong-Strong-Weak-Weak is somewhat useful.

I prefer Peppita and Clif

judesalmon · Post by **judesalmon** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:48 pm

Star Ocean 3 was lame.

dai jou bu · Post by **dai jou bu** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:37 pm

Tales of Symphonia was a train wreck considering the previous installments in the series. Note that I played the American version because I was able to snag a retail copy for twenty dollars.

The farther I got into the game, the more characters I got, and this is what happened.

Lloyd- He's Cless, except he's ambidextrous with swords. I didn't want to play Cless again, and I sure didn't like his voice actor either.

Genis- The spiritual successor to Arche, and he's not even floating in the air, nor is he a witch riding a broom and doing crazy flight maneuvers that could make a normal human lose control of it and fall off, so he already sucks. Arche would beat him senseless, and with style.

Regal- He was another Kratos/Zelos. I used him in the last fight because I didn't know it was the last fight at the time, considering how many times the game kept seemed to keep dragging on past the part where the game looked like it could've ended there.

Sheena- I was never able to play as Suzu. If this was how Suzu played, I'll be SO using her in the PSX version of Tales of Phantasia. She was also the summoner, which then turned me off to using her, especially once I got Presea.

Raine- If it wasn't for the fact she was the dedicated party healer, I would've so kicked her out of the party in favor of... Zelos, maybe? He's the only one whose voice actor actually fit him, the only redeeming quality of this game's story. Everything else about it was almost mind-numbing.

Final Fantasy Tactics
It just sucked to realize that all of your characters that you raised will eventually be easily outmatched by the new characters later on in the game whose classes will easily outperform the ones that you raised. Not only that, but you won't have enough room to keep them all in your party roster either.

FatCobra · Post by **FatCobra** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:02 pm

I mentioned how I thought Setzer in FF6 was useless, well, I booted up my game and decided to use him and build up his stats a bit, he's actually not bad once you get the timing of the slots and his weapons do decent damage as well.

I was really suprised at how effective Relm is in the magic department. I currently dismissed her because I thought her Sketch skill sucked, but this was when I played the game for the first time. Wanna see her kick some real butt? Give her a Genji glove and two elemental rods and watch as she rips enemies with an elemental weakness apart!! Oh, she's also really good with magic too.

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:36 pm

magnum opus wrote:sue from grandia

she's useless in melee so you give her a bunch of mana eggs THEN SHE LEAVES it'd be one things is mana eggs just grew on trees but nooo. .

Actually, I strongly disagree.

Sue is a range character, she's at her best when using projectile weapons. This is reinforced by her primary special attack: The Puui Throw. Since most of the other characters must be close to an enemy to initiate their Primary Special Move, they waste time closing the gap to the enemy in order to attack. Sue's Puui Throw can hit from any distance, so Zero Movement + Zero Performance Time (once the attack has hit level 5) = Instant Enemy Attack Cancel. Plus, she's available for more than half the game, which is far longer than any other party member besides Justin and Fina. Also, there's more than enough Mana Eggs in the game, so giving her one or two isn't going to screw you.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:59 pm

Heh heh heh, just to stir the pot a bit I'll try to defend a few of the chars mentioned, at least in the game's I've played enough...

Cyan

I wouldn't use him too often myself (I'm one of the few FF6 players who regularly makes use of Gau), but I wouldn't call him "useless." Most of the time I'd use his level 1 swordtech: it's not super powerful, but it ignores enemy defenses (i.e., you could kill a Cactrot with it) and only takes an instant to charge. And if I got sick of something later on I'd just wait a few moments and Cleave 'em all, or even use the Empowerer to drain MP from "wizardy" enemies.

Strago

Like Cyan, I don't use him much, but he's not quite useless. Some of his blue spells are indeed laughable (Pep Up, Exploder) but others (Grand Train, White Wind) are much better (not to mention that Quasar was darn cool looking at the time). And having him learn stuff is actually not as hard as it'd seem: just have Gau select a Rage technique which uses a certain blue magic spell, and if he uses it during the battle Strago will learn it after it's over, it doesn't even need to hit him. Relm's sketch and control techniques can also do this.

Umaro

Limited uses, but against enemies susceptible to physical attacks he could help tack on extra damage (and a pretty good amount of it too) without you having to do much of anything (except keep him alive). Giving him the Blizzard Orb would help against stuff weak against Ice.

Setzer

Useless for much of the game, but wait until you pick up the Fixed Dice in Kefka's tower...damage is technically random, but more often than not it scores big hits. Equip him with the Offering relic and he can take out an enemy party in one shot.

I'll hafta come back later and try a few more...

Jon · Post by **Jon** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:17 pm

Any Blue Mage from any FF game. Yes I am sure they can be usefull but they are hardly neccesary.

I will also second those damn Prinnies from Disgaea.

Zach Keene · Post by **Zach Keene** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:27 pm

FF5 and FF7 is where they really shine; you can get a wide variety of healing and attack spells while only eating up one ability/materia slot.

Never had much use for them in the other games though.

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