Sequel dat make da 1st crap(u cry when u play day original)

[Skykid]

Don't be calling OutZone crap if you don't want a bottle broken in your eye. O_o

Amen.

[Zweihander]

ITT, low standards. DOWN PATCH was more forgettable than Raiden III...

itt high standards

Agreed entirely. If anyone's going to say Donpachi was even a good game, they'd have to say the same about Raiden 3, since comparing Donpachi to Dodonpachi is essentially comparing Raiden 3 to Raiden 4. Also, gotta make sure you praise other mediocre titles such as the 10th and 11th Touhou games, and anything by Milestone. It's only fair.

[EinhanderZwei]

Agreed entirely. If anyone's going to say Donpachi was even a good game, they'd have to say the same about Raiden 3

As for me, DonPachi is good, but I rank it higher than Raiden 3... Mostly because I prefer Raiden 2

[Zweihander]

I mean, I honestly don't think Donpachi is horrible, it just seems like a 6.5/10 game to me. (With Dodonpachi being a solid 9 and Daioujou being a 10, for the record, IMO) Especially after playing DDP and DOJ first. So in a way I'm not judging it fairly by comparing it to a couple of true gems, but on the other hand, there were far better games in a similar vein made years and years before it.

Like Raiden II.

...

brb, dusting off Raiden Project.

[EinhanderZwei]

Makes sense. As I've mentioned somewhere here already, I call DonPachi 'Raiden on steroids'

[Zweihander]

Makes sense. As I've mentioned somewhere here already, I call DonPachi 'Raiden on steroids'

I... guess, even though it really only got bullet-hellish during some of the boss fights.

[dpful]

Donpachi rules Hotdog Storm

seriously though, I thought Shikigami 2 was a puzzle game compared to the more shmuppy shiki 1.
Everyone whose played Donpachi should try the Hong Kong version. It turns an antiquated romp into a compelling slaughterfest.

[Zweihander]

Eh, I enjoyed Shiki 2's boss battles a lot more than the first game. Still think Shiki 3 is the best in the series though, even though I wish Skonec would stop making games about sword-toting tengu gods and flying anime teenagers and just make Psyvariar 3 already. (though I did enjoy me some Homura)

[sikraiken]

I mean, I honestly don't think Donpachi is horrible, it just seems like a 6.5/10 game to me.

You're probably only 6.5/10 of a man then. Real men like DonPachi because of the incredible difficulty that exists to pull off and figure out the chains.

Now it's all ezchain.

[Koa Zo]

I know you're all talking strict shmups here, but I have to say:
Panzer Dragoon Zwei.
No other game fits the thread title as well, imo.

[Zweihander]

I mean, I honestly don't think Donpachi is horrible, it just seems like a 6.5/10 game to me.

You're probably only 6.5/10 of a man then. Real men like DonPachi because of the incredible difficulty that exists to pull off and figure out the chains.

Now it's all ezchain.

Wait, DonPachi was difficult? Why was I able to one-credit my way through more than half of the game on my first try, then? Why was it painfully easy in comparison to Dodonpachi? Why was the game about as "bullet hell" as Raiden 1, but at half the speed? What's next, are you going to claim Nanostray and Chaos Field were great games, too? It's not fair to praise one sub-par game and neglect others, you know. You need to be equal-opportunity with low standards or not at all.

I know you're all talking strict shmups here, but I have to say:
Panzer Dragoon Zwei.
No other game fits the thread title as well, imo.

Fuck yes. I would have mentioned this if it wasn't (presumably) strictly shmups.

[sikraiken]

Let's try this again. I guess saying that you're only 6.5/10 of a man is correct. Why? Because you don't listen, just like a woman.

You're probably only 6.5/10 of a man then. Real men like DonPachi because of the incredible difficulty that exists to pull off and figure out the chains.

Read what I said. Try to play the game seriously for score. Don't die. I'd give you a thousand dollars if you could make it up to and through 2-4 without dying or bombing. I'd also give you a thousand dollars if you could manage over 30M in the first loop. The game is good because of how technical it is - you won't find another shooter that is more technical. I didn't realize how far you could make it on your first try had any bearing on how good a game was.

I like DDP/DOJ a lot, and I've played the former extensively, but DonPachi offers something vastly different from both of them. DDP/DOJ has the ezchain going on compared to DonPachi. I guess if you like ezchain yeah, you aren't going to like playing DonPachi for score. They all offer difficulty in their own ways. They're all great games.

[Zweihander]

Let's try this again. I guess saying that you're only 6.5/10 of a man is correct. Why? Because you don't listen, just like a woman.

You're probably only 6.5/10 of a man then. Real men like DonPachi because of the incredible difficulty that exists to pull off and figure out the chains.

Read what I said. Try to play the game seriously for score. Don't die. I'd give you a thousand dollars if you could make it up to and through 2-4 without dying or bombing. I'd also give you a thousand dollars if you could manage over 30M in the first loop. The game is good because of how technical it is - you won't find another shooter that is more technical. I didn't realize how far you could make it on your first try had any bearing on how good a game was.

I like DDP/DOJ a lot, and I've played the former extensively, but DonPachi offers something vastly different from both of them. DDP/DOJ has the ezchain going on compared to DonPachi. I guess if you like ezchain yeah, you aren't going to like playing DonPachi for score. They all offer difficulty in their own ways. They're all great games.

Yay, this is just the kind of elitist faggotry that I like to read for enjoyment. Thanks for entertaining me. A happy non-denominational Winter holiday to you, too.

[sikraiken]

Oh yeah, Merry Christmas to you too.

To make my post not completely off topic, I thought Futari made great improvements to the scoring system of the first Mushihimesama. Nice job Cave, you did something right again.

[lgb]

Wait, DonPachi was difficult? Why was I able to one-credit my way through more than half of the game on my first try, then?

difficulty in DP is weird; fourth and fifth stages are harder than the first three by some margin, etc. I haven't really played the loop much, but I assume it's the same, just a lot harder; also THEY'VE GOT A DONPACHI

[Zweihander]

Oh yeah, Merry Christmas to you too.

To make my post not completely off topic, I thought Futari made great improvements to the scoring system of the first Mushihimesama. Nice job Cave, you did something right again.

Which brings me to my real response to you: Why would I want to suffer through a dated shmup like Donpachi when I could play its much-improved sequels, with a refined scoring system, a soundtrack that's actually catchy and memorable, bullet hell on the actual stages instead of just the boss fights, and... (in reference to the games sitting on my shelf) the Saturn version of DDP loads INFINITELY FASTER than Donpachi? It's like whenever I fire up Donpachi, I can only ever tolerate playing it on Score Attack mode, on stages 3, 4, and 5, because the first two stages bore me to no end. Not only that, but I have to wait like 10-15 seconds for the stage to load, when I could be playing a much better game. Then, I jump into Dodonpachi again (the aforementioned better game) and get my ass handed to me on stage 1 or 2 because I got used to Donpachi's piss-easy difficulty. Really. I have no reason to even hold onto Donpachi aside from being a game collector. I got it last year for $30 (after buying Dodonpachi) and had more buyer's remorse than I did when I bought Thunder Force 6 or Homura for $60 each. It is, in essence, an original game that makes me want to cry when I play it.

[lgb]

you don't, just stop putting down people that do

also iirc either Saturn DP sucks like PS DDP sucks, or it's the other way around

[Zweihander]

you don't, just stop putting down people that do

also iirc either Saturn DP sucks like PS DDP sucks, or it's the other way around

Saturn version got some flack for actually not having enough slowdown, if I recall. Though personally, I like having a Score Attack mode, which the PS1 version sorely lacks.

Also, I merely said the original Donpachi makes me cry. (Well, more realistically, it just makes me cringe) Some other guy called me out on it, so I wasn't casting the first stone for once. I seriously thought there was a general consensus that games like Raiden 3, most of Touhou, and Donpachi weren't that good. Are special exceptions given to barely-passable games, based on who developed them, or perhaps details like the scoring system which are minute when considering you have to ignore all the other flaws in the game just to make the most thereof?

[sikraiken]

You're dumb. You're pointing out stuff like port problems. Learn to play, and learn to evaluate too. There are plenty of people who enjoy DonPachi. I don't really like DP and DDP's music, but DOJ's is pretty good.

You got owned in stage 1 or 2 because you aren't that good at games yet, not because DonPachi is easy. "Game collector" haha

details like the scoring system which are minute when considering you have to ignore all the other flaws in the game

Ok yeah I'm done, come back when you know what you're talking about.

[Zweihander]

You're dumb. You're pointing out stuff like port problems. Learn to play, and learn to evaluate too. There are plenty of people who enjoy DonPachi. I don't really like DP and DDP's music, but DOJ's is pretty good.

You got owned in stage 1 or 2 because you aren't that good at games yet, not because DonPachi is easy. "Game collector" haha

And people criticize me for failure at reading comprehension. I can generally 1-credit my way to the stage 3 boss in DDP, maybe even halfway into stage 4 on a good day. It's just that after playing Donpachi, trying to play an actually difficult game again is like getting hit in the face with a blast of ice-water.

details like the scoring system which are minute when considering you have to ignore all the other flaws in the game

Ok yeah I'm done, come back when you know what you're talking about.

I do. I'm saying I don't want to take the time and tolerate all the flaws in Donpachi just to play it for score. You're asking me to utilize a scoring system in a game which isn't fun. I'd just as soon re-download Radilgy and try to tolerate the game's retarded bullshit just to play for score.