left4dead2

[Elixir]

I wish people would shut the fuck up about this game for five fucking seconds. In a week I've heard:

Too many asians, too many chicks, too many black people, too many spawn points, Australian version sucks, game needs boycotting, game is an expansion, game has shitty matchmaking, not enough servers, Dark Carnival's difficulty is imbalanced, blah fucking blah blah SHUT UP

if you dont want to hear about it why are you reading and posting in a thread about it?

grow up elixir....and take your meds

Yes because I actively seek out information about a game I don't care about.

[kengou]

to be honest i find it very odd when i hear people complaining about the cost and relative value of PC/console games, especially here...

i picked up left4dead and left4dead2 for like $65usd off steam....i was previously playing a hacked offline single player version of left4dead.....both will get hours upon hours of play....

considering how much we throw down on PCB's its kinda funny to hear people griping about 40bux

like seriously....$65....that wouldnt even cover a dinner at a nice restaurant for 2.....but it will buy countless hours of amusement and entertainment.....

i just dont get how people can throw down 10X that much on PCB's without batting an eyelash, but they have to give serious thought to dropping $40 on a game that lets you shoot zombies....ZOMBIES!!!!

i think the main thing thats drawn me to this series is the lack of most of the things that turn me off most FPS's...too much going on....the premise of left4dead is fairly simple...shoot zombies, progress, get to the safe house...repeat....its fairly straight forward and i dont get lost....also, nobody is shooting at me and killing me all the time.....i can just zone out and thrash zombies....and if i want a quick zombie killing session, i can do that too....its great for just jumping in and out.....

to me, even if i only played it for a few months and got bored, it would be money well spent....i think sometimes people have come to expect to much from these kinds of games....i would have paid $65 to play a game set in a featureless black room with just zombies in it and the only weapon was a kitana....and i probably would still play it for hours a day

people are weird

just an observation, and certainly not an attack on anybody

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd personally never buy a PCB either; way too much money for a single game. But some people value the real arcade experience or they're collectors. We put different values on different purchases.

Likewise, some people loved L4D even with its lack of content and just want more of the same with a few new weapons and infected. I wanted to like L4D - and I did like what was there - but I really wanted more from it for my $50, and Valve (uncharacteristically) didn't deliver, despite promising to. They promised free content in the same way TF2 got. New weapons, new infected, new campaigns. I could find the quote if anyone really cares but they literally promised those things to be free updates after the game was released. We've seen one new gametype that frankly gets old pretty quickly, and doesn't really even have new maps. We have one new campaign but it's super-short. And that's it. They're both steps in the right direction. But now L4D2 is coming out with new zombies, melee weapons, and new campaigns, and nothing else new, and they're charging $50 for it! I really do take issue with that. They can say they'll keep supporting L4D with content, but the community will shift to L4D2, and then next year they'll come out with L4D3 and where will the first game be by then?

Anyway there's my reasons for not wanting the 2nd game. Not speaking bad at anyone who does want it though. People want different things for their money.

[Rob]

Yes because I actively seek out information about a game I don't care about.

Obviously.

[Ed Oscuro]

Yes because I actively seek out information about a game I don't care about.

Here's some information for you: you're a terrible poster

Back on topic, obviously I don't fit the "PCBs are way too much for a single game" part, but I agree with Kengou, L4D1's apparent lack of content was disheartening.

Actually Valve did add a number of things after the protests (it was thought that L4D1 was going to become essentially unsupported after the L4D2 announcement) but without making any fanfare. Even after that people felt that they hadn't added much - and considering that they had promised new content on a level with TF2 they had a ways to go to meet expectations.

[Rob]

Finally got this on Saturday and played through all of the campaigns. Rough thoughts: thumbs up, best game I played this year. I just love the formula and it does add enough. What I'll need more time to see is if they added too much. Not for the campaigns, but the special infected in versus. Maybe everyone just needs time to adjust to them, but the charger seems like the only infected that can cause unavoidable damage.

There's something to these campaigns that PC freebie Crash Course lacked. Money is a good motivator. It's also nice getting a huge batch of new stuff at once.

[Strider77]

I've tried to get on the wagon on this one but I don't really get the excitement and craze. If i turned all the zombies to regular people it wouldn't seem to be anything special.

Maybe someone can convince me to give it another go?

The gameplay seemed very cookie cutter and the visuals weren't enough to make me sit up in my chair. Not trying to be a hater but just don't get it, unless it's just the zombie thing. If that's the case I'll stick with Biohazard 4/5.

[szycag]

Play it with better people, and at a more difficult level. Even RE5's teamwork is an entirely different thing, it's not really "teamwork or die." That's why this has been so successful.

If this goes on sale on Amazon on Black Friday I think I'll bite.

[Rob]

unless it's just the zombie thing.

Not for me. I don't like zombie movies*, but they make good enemies in video games: mindless (will typically make a beeline for you), can't hurt you until they reach you, and roughly the same height as character, but can be difficult in swarms. The special infected add the needed complexity, requiring complete teamwork and some observational skills/reflexes. There are lots of similarities with arcade shooters that I appreciate (short campaigns, lack of story, action-focused, challenging on harder difficulties). Versus can add a lot more danger for the survivors (being watched and plotted against by humans in addition to AI director swarms) and is unique game-type when playing as the infected. It has less atmosphere than a good Resident Evil, but they're starting to get there with parts of Swamp Fever, Hard Rain and Dark Carnival.

*I do like video game violence and shooting stuff though. There is a lot of shit to shoot with cool guns.

[Elixir]

Here's some information for you: you're a terrible poster

If that doesn't scream "your point is too harsh of a reality that it can't be countered", I don't know what does. This isn't really a viable counter-argument to a rehash of a game which was barely released a year ago. If you can concoct some actual reasons which would justify this as an independent sequel past "a few new enemies, weapons and black people" then by all means.

Although I didn't join, the L4D Boycott campaign had almost as many members in it as what the official support group did, or so I've heard. It reached Valve and they promised that they would continue to support the original L4D when in reality, gamer logic is "new and shiny = better" (or at least, in the FPS world, that's usually how communities work). Until then I'm going to be spoonfed information--because information comes to me, I don't go to it--over a game that held some ground when it was originally released.

The biggest issue I had with both games is the inability to survive by yourself, alone. One smoker and you're entirely in the hands of your allies.

Rough thoughts: thumbs up, best game I played this year.

Is this the only game you've played this year?

[mortified_penguin]

and in the mean time, the rest of us are playing it and having a blast. That jockey, evil little bastard right?

[Rob]

The jockey takes a little too much damage for how small it is. But yeah, it's a bastard.

The biggest issue I had with both games is the inability to survive by yourself, alone.

Your biggest issue is that it succeeds as a team game. There's still plenty of room to display individual skill. As for the boring rehash argument, there are a lot of improvements and additions between this and the first. It does what a sequel should do (and most don't).

Challenge has definitely gone up in this one. In L4D1 it's a gamble to stray from the pack, in L4D2 it's certain death. With a smoker you have a few seconds to kill it before you're stuck, a hunter can be stunned by a melee - now smokers hide better, you can get blindsided by a charger and jockeys are just... . The frequency of SI has also been increased. You can even see back-to-back appearances of one type and two tanks at once on the Swamp Fever finale.

Random Live users are so bad at this. If you get pinned by anything more than 10 feet away from a teammate you're incapacitated or dead on normal. It's nice having the stupid AI when you get caught by a jockey and your human controlled teammates are chasing after you with an axe. It makes me smile when I get saved quickly and I owe my thanks to the one bot on the team.

[Taylor]

The biggest issue I had with both games is the inability to survive by yourself, alone. One smoker and you're entirely in the hands of your allies.

The whole point of Left 4 Dead is to make you dependant on each other, it's what makes it unique among the slew of games that are including cooperative elements. You might as well say the problem with DoDonPachi is shooting things so they explode.

Your buddies aren’t just there to tap you on the shoulder when you get hit too much because it was haphazardly thrown in to meet market trends, it’s integral to the experience and if you go off by yourself you will die. It is the definitive cooperative experience. You’re free not to like that as a concept, but listing it as an issue is as valid as going in the sea and complaining you got wet.

[Gungriffon Geona]

Imma L4D fan! I like being totally dependent on stupid fuckups in a game that tries to put everyone in a total crutch! I eat a bunch of dicks because I don't care if there's anything ACTUALLY NEW in game mechanics or formula! ACTUAL GOOD GAME DESIGN? WHAT'S THAT?! I'd rather play a game that WASTES OVER HALF THE BUDGET ON POINTLESS VOICE ACTING AND UNINTERESTING CHRACTERS! No way i care that there's NO REAL GAME CONTENT, and that the sequel will be NO DIFFERENT! I'll GLADLY waste my money on this WORTHLESS PILE OF -NEW- GARBAGE!


Meanwhile, I'll go play a game that costs less than half Valve's garbage and has more content than both the original and it's sequel.

As it seems, only stupid baby 4chans in my Steam friendlist are buying and playing L4D2. You don't want to be a stupid baby 4chan, DO YOU?

[Rob]

Please stop smearing yourself all over the thread.

[Gungriffon Geona]

Please stop smearing yourself all over the thread.

Because posting twice is more obnoxious than anything else.

[Taylor]

People enjoy a game I don't :_(

[grovsnus]

I love this game, and I feel sorry for those who miss out due to boneheadedness but I wouldn't want to play with them anyway.

[Ed Oscuro]

Here's some information for you: you're a terrible poster

If that doesn't scream "your point is too harsh of a reality that it can't be countered", I don't know what does.

That smells like ICY. You don't want to smell like ICY do you? Stop being an obnoxious twat Elixir.

[KBZ]

I've been playing the hell out of the demo lately, but after buying killing floor I don't see myself going back or even buying the full game.

I like the arcade-like feel of l4d2, but killing floor is just too badass

[Elixir]

Here's some information for you: you're a terrible poster

If that doesn't scream "your point is too harsh of a reality that it can't be countered", I don't know what does.

That smells like ICY. You don't want to smell like ICY do you? Stop being an obnoxious twat Elixir.

You know what else smells icy? Random ad hominem posts that dodge and don't address the original point.

Someone is dissing a game I paid 60 bucks for! Quick, to the Steam friends list!

[Ed Oscuro]

So you've conceded that you've made Icy your role model, well done.

I haven't bought the game and your threadshitting is uncalled for. I of all people should have a reputation for enjoying a good game bashing now and then but it has to be coherent and (the word of the hour) relevant.

[Elixir]

I haven't conceded anything, nor have I been thread shitting. Would you like to read through this thread again in a slower manner?

In fact, the reverse is true. You have been thread shitting. I liked the part where you said my posting was terrible, then proceeded to thinly coat your post with on-topic stuff about a game that you haven't even played. You haven't even played the game so anything you say about it is (word of the day) irrelevant.

[Gungriffon Geona]

Don't worry about him. Ed's just doing a really bad job of trying to disarm the whole situation by attacking what he thinks is the true menace. What a loon!

[nZero]

I haven't conceded anything, nor have I been thread shitting.

You came into the only L4D2 thread on this forum to say:

I wish people would shut the fuck up about this game for five fucking seconds.

So I'm going to very strongly suggest that you avoid this thread from now on.

I eat a bunch of dicks

Duly noted.

[Elixir]

Actually I didn't.

[jonny5]

post#1

left 4 shovelware

ok....

post#2

I wish people would shut the fuck up about this game for five fucking seconds. In a week I've heard:

Too many asians, too many chicks, too many black people, too many spawn points, Australian version sucks, game needs boycotting, game is an expansion, game has shitty matchmaking, not enough servers, Dark Carnival's difficulty is imbalanced, blah fucking blah blah SHUT UP

then you just started arguing with ed about who was a worse poster....

point made

[ArrogantBastard]

Actually I didn't.

lol

maybe you should have just bitched about it and posted it on your shitty wapanese blog that nobody reads at all instead

[jonny5]

you disappoint me Elixir...you were doing good for a while there....

i think i should start charting your mood swings....i bet theres some kind of pattern....one minute you are being halfway civil and making contributions to threads...fast forward a month....you are right back to running around from thread to thread spitting garbage....its like every few months you flush your prescription and go all mental for a while..... .....troubling

back on topic now....

i like left4dead2....i dont care if they havent changed much or didnt support the original for long enough....to me its just 5 new campaigns to play through....like i said...i suck at FPS's so i rarely play online....i mostly play single player on easy or normal ...the new campaigns seem great, and the melee weapons are fun....

i tryed advanced but the AI characters are dumb and dont do what they should....like save my ass

i should try some more online, but it seems way harder....and dying a lot is defintely something i dont like in FPS's

my biggest problem is probably the fact that i just run all out...zero strategy....'oh look...a bunch of zombies'....and i charge in

i dont wait for my teammates at all usually....plus if i stay ahead of them i get to kill most of the zombies

its fun

[Elixir]

Oh god the elipses are killing me, oh well

Actually I didn't.

lol

maybe you should have just bitched about it and posted it on your shitty wapanese blog that nobody reads at all instead

I'm glad you know that my blog is a blog (thanks for visiting) and thanks for buying L4D2.

post#1

left 4 shovelware

Yes, this. What else should I have said? I think it summed up everything nicely. Let's see.

Game's original title hasn't been out for even a single year.
Game's sequel adds content which could have been added in the original version.
Game's sequel takes away the spotlight and community eye of the original.
Garbage like Dead Carnival's barns section is impossibly anal on the final section and has zombies coming out of the fucking walls and shit, how is this even fun. It's more of a personal issue but it's difficult to find a group of people who won't endlessly die here.
Game's netcode, pairing and server selection is beyond horrifingly worthless.

you disappoint me Elixir...you were doing good for a while there....

[emo bullshit sic]

I'm sorry, next time I'll up my game so I can be on-par with quality posters such as yourself. ::swirls wine glass::

Everyone is lovingly quick to dive into a new game because it's by Valve. A company You Know You Can Trust in dishing out the exact same thing within a year. Maybe because L4D sold ridiculously well and this was recognized by Valve. The problem isn't in the way the sequel was executed, but it's released way too soon and it's going to dethrone the original title which is still fairly active. They could have done something about finding a game to play in as well.

You say "thread to thread", but what other threads have I negatively impacted (this is the kind of effect I have on people, lol.) recently? I love how people throw a fucking frenzy because I'm not pro-buy for something that I pro-bought a year ago and played to death. Of course I'm talking to someone who will spend $900 on a single video game and then call it the "best game ever" despite that you probably wouldn't have done so if there wasn't a community to circlejerk with. Thank god there's a community of 60,000+ users boycotting L4D2 so my argument isn't totally worthless, right?

[jonny5]

futari was more...ketsui is still better.... never said it was the best, just my favorite....best cave game tho...i dunno ....left4dead might be better than ketsui

lol at the wine swirl....you read me like a book

dammit...see what you made me do

i like left4dead for one simple reason.....ZOMBIES!!!

they could release left4dead3 tomorrow and i would probably buy it....who am i kidding...of course i would....i dont follow game scenes or developers, so that doesnt mean anything to me....i dont even like FPS's...but i LOVE zombies!!!

if left4dead was aliens or soldiers or anything but zombies i would have zero interest....

one thing i have noticed tho...l4d2 is harder.....i cant fuck around as much...im getting tuned even on normal stupid bots keep leaving me for dead while they dick around 10 feet away....maybe they are mad cuz i shoot them a lot