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Keep running into "Low Disk Space on C" on our PC...

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I know this isn't shmup related, but I could really use some advice on this issue. I keep running into this problem, when, to give one example, I watch a Youtube video. I then delete "temporary internet files" (what are those? it's not like I'm downloading any videos from the internet :?: ), but I don't know what else I could remove from our PC. I've already removed Real Player and Quicktime; we only have Windows Media Player. Right now Adobe Reader 9.1.1 and HP Imaging Device 6.0 are taking up the most space, but we need both of those.

I suppose the only solution would be to add more memory, but I don't know how to do that cheaply or easily. My aim is not to turn this into a gaming PC, just to get us more space.
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How big is your HD? HD space is cheap these days, consider getting a bigger one.

Possible culprits: Windows System Restore, oversized paging file, temp folders, etc.

Try out CCleaner. http://www.ccleaner.com/

I would suggest avoiding it's registry clean-up, though.
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You must have a small HDD in your computer. I only have a 80gb, which leaves about 65GB of free space after windows vista is installed. The least I have EVER had is 20GB worth of space and I have a crap load of everything on my PC.

You must have tons of Itunes, MP3's, videos, photos or something on there.
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HDDs are super dirt fucking cheap. If you need a bigger one, it isn't going to cost you much at all so don't worry. You may have to reorganize some stuff if you do that though (like moving said page/hibernate files to the new drive).
I watch a Youtube video. I then delete "temporary internet files" (what are those? it's not like I'm downloading any videos from the internet :?: )
You ARE downloading them as you are watching them, they just generally don't stay saved to your disc after you close the video. And 'temporary internet files' is everything your browser has cached, which is mostly html pages and images.

Anyway, easiest way to tell where your hard drive space is going is to use a graphical analyzer. I recommend Space Monger: http://www.sixty-five.cc/sm/v1x.php
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Disk space = them plattaz they spinnin'
Like this.

"Memory" = you sound like somebody's dad c. 1995 = Random Access Memory.
That's these.

Yes, "hard [disk] drives" are non-volatile, but they aren't NVRAM, you see (NVRAM, that stuff that saves highscores in newer arcade games, and stores some settings in my ancient Proliant 6500).

Yeah, it's a form of "memory," but nobody calls it that in current usage. It's called "storage" now.

It's actually a better convention than one might suppose, because a person's memory is always volatile, while something written in a much slower book (for instance) does not change as easily.

My suggestion, this is gonna take a while depending on your machine. I just fooled around with an old Compaq Presario 5000 and my god I don't know how the hard drive goes in the bay anymore, I mean it literally doesn't fit with the shit they've got in there. But that's irrelevant.

If you have one of those slim found-at-Wal*Mart specials or most anything in a small case, even something that should be simple like adding or changing a hard drive could be nearly fatal as you cut yourself on the sharp insides of the case (I'm not sure if I ever have, though). But it's worth it to start to describe what you have. Push comes to shove, get rid of some unnecessary files, i.e. any CHDs (hard drive images) you may have loaded in MAME, and so on.
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im betting on 20+gigs of temp shit ccleaner clears out :wink:
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Ok, thanks for all the advice! I will try out ccleaner. We have Windows XP, so where under the "Start" tab do I go to find out how big our hard drive is, or how much space it has?
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go to 'my computer'....if it isnt showing details, go to view and select 'details'

it should now show you your drive capacities and available space
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dave4shmups wrote:Ok, thanks for all the advice! I will try out ccleaner. We have Windows XP, so where under the "Start" tab do I go to find out how big our hard drive is, or how much space it has?

Press - Windows key+E (to get explorer)

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(windows key is the one left of the alt/spacebar.

Right click on C: drive icon
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Left click on properties. Thats your pie chart of your C: Drive.

Also in there, you will find the disc cleanup icon. It will scan for a minute or two, and let you know whats in each part of your drive. You can put ticks in boxes where you want to delete stuff. When you select to continue, it will delete stuff.. it will take a while since files are usually small, fragmented and all over the place.

Do all the above for all the drives you have partitioned on your PC. You may have a partitioned drive and don't even know it. Your C: maybe C: with a bigger D: partition.

Once done, look at the pie chart on your properties screen again (see above) and see how much you have spare now.. then report back here. :)
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:/ ... Sorry if I sound patronising but seems you're in need of a bit of help, and if you look into the above advice I'm sure most of it will set you straight.

Just to save you the aggro with deleting offline content all the time:

internet explorer>tools>internet options> general tab, offline content > settings button > set the size to something appropriate for you ... anything from 50mb up to 1000mb should be fine for most users.

[firefox>tools>options>advanced tab, network > set cache size for same details]

Cleaners and such may help you out a great deal. But typically as mentioned to clear up space you will need to clear off big files such as movies, mp3 collections or big programs (such as games) ... most programs such as real/quicktime players actually take up relatively little space.

If you are so low on hard drive space you should really look at clearing off more space than may appear necessary (at least 500mb), since spare hard drive space is also used by windows as 'virtual memory' to basically temporarily store data that needs to overflow from RAM. Now this maybe a little bit over most people's need to know but basically you will probably notice improved windows performance with at least 500mb hard drive space free.

[settings for this if curious can be found start>control panel>system>performance>virtual memory]

If you come to do much graphics/video/audio editting you'll quickly get familiar with such cache setups such as virtual memory, but for most users and gamers its not a big deal as long as you have at least 500mb free.

As most people have mentioned hard drive storage space these days is very cheap and easy to expand - but you should always make sure you have some decent amounts of virtual memory free on the drive that windows is installed in my opinion.

its pretty geeky but being aware of mb, gb and roughly what hard drives, ram, and processors do can save a lot of frustration :)
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Thanks, I would never have thought to go on Internet Explorer or Firefox for that! ccleaner worked very well, and didn't mess up anything on our PC, so thanks again!! :D
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If you are so low on hard drive space you should really look at clearing off more space than may appear necessary (at least 500mb), since spare hard drive space is also used by windows as 'virtual memory' to basically temporarily store data that needs to overflow from RAM.
AFAIK, modern versions of Windows preallocate a set amount of space for pagefile.sys rather than growing/shrinking it (probably to prevent fragmentation more than anything else).
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Ex-Cyber wrote:
If you are so low on hard drive space you should really look at clearing off more space than may appear necessary (at least 500mb), since spare hard drive space is also used by windows as 'virtual memory' to basically temporarily store data that needs to overflow from RAM.
AFAIK, modern versions of Windows preallocate a set amount of space for pagefile.sys rather than growing/shrinking it (probably to prevent fragmentation more than anything else).

It sets something sensible, but it will still grow and shrink ... if anything is actually preallocated I'm pretty much certain (apart from v7 of which I have barely used) its so small an amount that it is very negligible ...

It would be more there are disadvantages to having a large amount of virtual memory (speed) and there are greater disadvantages to having small amounts of virtual memory (even worse speed/crashing and things simply not possible).

Personally due to work (graphics) reasons I tend to have rather excessively high settings straight off the bat since I will happily take a small speed reduction in favour of stability.

The issue of drive fragmentation is an interesting point though - particularly if anyone has an old pc thats getting full, gettting upgraded - suspecting current windows will stay as it is on old hard drive along with that person's personal files. Basically every now and again on a high usage drive (say once a year on a family pc, maybe more if you're a gamer type) you will want to defrag it to organise the data on it as efficiently as possible (during general use the data is put wherever it can go on the drive - over time this fragmentation can make 'connections' between pieces of this data more convoluted and thus slows down your drive a bit). So if you can get 10% of your drive space free you can get your computer to regorganise this data into a more efficient order. (Typically start>all programs>accessories>system tools>disk defragmenter)
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Virtual memory (the page file) will grow and shrink if you haven't set it to a fixed amount (1.5x your RAM is the standard), which you ought to. In fact, you can also defragment it, too. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysi ... 97426.aspx
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