Icycalm 2.0

[crithit5000]

Citing Wikipedia = -5 icycalm points for you.

[mdl]

icycalm himself said that in order to review a game you need to be an expert at it, but then he's not actually good at shmups

you'd think the internet's first true philosopher would be wise enough to not fall victim to his own declarations of the qualifications for superiority!

[onlyreadicythreads]

Citing Wikipedia = -5 icycalm points for you.

I'm not asking for his approval. Also, my point still stands. Why don't you point out what's wrong with the wikipedia quote?

icycalm himself said that in order to review a game you need to be an expert at it, but then he's not actually good at shmups

link please

[Mortificator]

What, did you think this thread was started for a serious discussion of icy's game journalism? No one cares what he thinks. It was made simply to get some laughs out of the guy's loony tantrums (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED).

Regarding Al's opinions in relation to his behavior, I don't take dining advice from someone with shit in his mouth. But that's me.

[mdl]

icycalm himself said that in order to review a game you need to be an expert at it, but then he's not actually good at shmups

link please

he says things to this effect all the time so i shouldn't need to humor you if you claim to read his dreck, but here. i think someone mentioned it earlier in the thread as well but i'm not going to go back to check

omake hypocrisy: HAHA LOOK AT BRANDON SHEFFIELD BEING ANNOYED AT A LIST OF TIRED/MEANINGLESS PHRASES, THIS ISN'T ANYTHING LIKE MY LOATHING FOR "GAMEPLAY"

the guy isn't internally consistent himself but he sure hates people who aren't

[Lordstar]

Interesting how all the personal attacks in this thread so far have actually come from Icycalm haters, and they, unlike Icycalm's own personal attacks, have not been accompanied by any reasoned argument for or against the writing.

funny how all icy calm supporters have about 100 posts or so. just an observation.
But there not just personal attacks becuase he is a reviewer and if you put somehting you wrote out there (a part of your self so to speak) specialy a review with the intention of being thought provoking and such you cant really expect everyone to get on there knees and suck your cock. I could not give a toss either way. He started more fights than discussions which is a bad thing. If he was really 'all that' He would of been spotted and given a job doing what he does.

[jpj]

What, did you think this thread was started for a serious discussion of icy's game journalism? No one cares what he thinks. It was made simply to get some laughs out of the guy's loony tantrums (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED).

also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyKvh0apWFE

[onlyreadicythreads]

I'm discussing how you guys use fallacies to disprove whatever comes out of icycalm's mind.

he says things to this effect all the time so i shouldn't need to humor you if you claim to read his dreck, but here. i think someone mentioned it earlier in the thread as well but i'm not going to go back to check

omake hypocrisy: HAHA LOOK AT BRANDON SHEFFIELD BEING ANNOYED AT A LIST OF TIRED/MEANINGLESS PHRASES, THIS ISN'T ANYTHING LIKE MY LOATHING FOR "GAMEPLAY"

Thank you mdl. But I don't think you understand what do you need to be an expert in a game and, more importantly, in the genre the game belongs. It has nothing to do with acheiving the highest scores in a game (which is obviously what charlie chong meant).

Thus, an expert must possess an esoteric body of knowledge, and be able to see the connections between seemingly separate ideas (this is an oversimplification -- I'm leaving out earlier levels of learning such as the progression from smaller ideas to larger concepts within the subject). Someone who has these qualities is an expert on that subject, and their thoughts (variations in ability to express oneself aside) are inherently more valuable to everyone than those of a non-expert.
[...]
The average game reviewer is a hobbyist at best, and has a ton of experience playing games, for sure, but is nowhere close to an expert until they have successfully applied their mind to understanding the bigger picture (even within a single genre of game).

icycalm is certainly an expert in the games and genres he reviews.

[Elixir]

Thank you mdl. But I don't think you understand what do you need to be an expert in a game and, more importantly, in the genre the game belongs. It has nothing to do with acheiving the highest scores in a game (which is obviously what charlie chong meant).

Being familiar with a game and having the highest scores go hand in hand. Proving otherwise would mean the players and "experts" of them aren't really experts, which doesn't make any sense. Experts of a game are probably the last who would bother to review them.

You didn't explain why mdl doesn't understand what it takes to be an expert in a game or game genre.

icycalm is certainly an expert in the games and genres he reviews.

No, icycalm is an expert in overgeneralizing the difference between "gamers" and, ugh, "hardcore gamers". He's trying to play dictator and say that he's an expert with no real evidence. There's casual reviews that you might see on GameFAQs and then there's his site's reviews. They're both cut from the same cloth.

[DEL]

onlyreadicythreads wrote;

But I don't think you understand what do you need to be an expert in a game and, more importantly, in the genre the game belongs. It has nothing to do with acheiving the highest scores in a game (which is obviously what charlie chong meant).

As the Great Bill Duke would say; "You see, you done fucked up right there. You see that don't you?!"

[Rob]

icycalm is certainly an expert in the games and genres he reviews.

You can tell how much of an expert he is by how many names he has to drop before feeling confident in his adopted opinion.

[Ex-Cyber]

I saw a rant of his somewhere bitching about how this rant is pointless and has nothing to do with games, which is hilarious when you consider that

1) It's on a blog whose specific topic is Wii hardware/firmware hacking, and

2) the first paragraph says

There are plenty of other articles talking about the poor recent game offerings, the hardware limitations, and the primitive online play. I’m not here to talk about those. Instead, I’m going to talk about the Wii’s software stack, and how it compares to other consoles.

So, you know, if you don't care about that topic you could stop fucking reading.

[Taylor]

icycalm is certainly an expert in the games and genres he reviews.

You can tell how much of an expert he is by how many names he has to drop before feeling confident in his adopted opinion.

I notice he says twice that the Galudas, Espgaluda II inclusive, are too easy.

[jpj]

i think that particular sore point was what led to his inevitable ban

personally, i don't think you do have to be a master at a game to review it. you just have to have a good grasp of the genre, and understand the type of information your audience will want to know. if anything, i think it would be counter-productive if reviews were only done by the most hardened fans of specific games/series as you may not get a balanced review. it also implies that you need to be a master at a bad game before you can tell people it isn't worth playing

i remember when icarus posted a review for shikigami 3 on his site, and while i didn't have a problem with the content itself, i'd been thinking about buying it and been sat on the fence for a while, and the review itself didn't really sway me either way. it was focused solely on the new scoring system (which is good info), and all i said was that it would've been good if there was a bit more additional information related to things like the presentation, number of characters, boss design, etc. as you can imagine, despite trying to be constructive, i incurred the wrath of he who is neither cool nor calm and i had read a review of pink sweets on that website prior to buying it which i found quite helpful, and posted this:

if you read icycalm's pink sweets review, it's actually not bad. it's pretty long, and the intro has a lot of background info that assumes you're interested in cave, raizing and yagawa history. but through it all you get a good overall impression of the game. simple stuff like the number of characters, stages, music, graphics, difficulty curve, and then quite a lot of gameplay information to boot, etc.

i'm not saying he's a master of the game, but he understands the concepts and execution, and explained it from the beginning

to which he replied with this:

If I had been a master at Pink Sweets my review of it would have been similar to Simon's review of Shiki III. The fact that it wasn't is a failing on my part, do you understand? This is what ignorant reviewers do: they yap on and on about shit like graphics and music because they have nothing else to talk about and they have to somehow fill the space.

But I had to review the game because no one else would. And I ask you, then, where are the masters when you need them? Why don't the masters sit down for an hour and write a decent review of these games, and put them up on a site so that others can read them, and help spread around the knowledge of how awesome these games are to the rest of the internet?

so in order to continue arguing with me and try to contradict me, he criticised his own work, implying that his reviews of cave games were only worth reading by de facto. probably just in an effort to get more hits to his site. (he "yaps on" about meaningless shit like graphics and music in all his cave reviews for what it's worth)

and if all else fails, just steal someone else's work

edit:

http://insomnia.ac/reviews/custom/ketsui/

"Ketsui is basically The Shit"

i vote unban for the 2010 top 25 poll

[Jockel]

As for what happened -- the same thing that has been happening ever since I started posting in videogame forums. I hold a mirror to people's faces, they see their ignorance and stupidity reflected in it, and then instead of learning from that and mending their ways they lash out at me, for showing them the mirror.

The Athenians poisoned Socrates for this.

The Jews crucified Jesus of Nazareth.

This is human nature.

[Ruldra]

More like: "I went into a rage because I got caught in a contradiction and then my beloved site was compared to IGN. This is my nature."

[Ed Oscuro]

keep in mind that we aren't like the government of a certain Asian state that likes to go around and tell people they have no jurisdiction over how to manage their affairs - though whoever is fucking with Icy's forum gets a gold star.

It's his forum. [More bitching edited in later that I don't need to address, we need to be more respectful of Icy's right to be a public nuisance - Ed]

I am talking about *THIS* forum. THIS is not his forum. We aren't sending our agents to his forum to do our bidding (which is what the article I linked was about).

I'm not defending his criminality. If he was a crazy ass murderer who kills everyone banned from his forum, it wouldn't change the fact that I agree with most of his articles and opinions. I could care less what the hell he does with his life. Look, I'll just quote a wikipedia article.

The idea that you'd let somebody run rampant just because they write shit you agree with is humorous to say the least, but not what I wanted to address.

Your point about the "ad hominem" attack you Icy defenders imagine all our attacks amount to - you do not understand the nature of this fallacy. One does not practice philosophy by oneself; philosophy is meaningless without making room for other people, which he is incapable of doing. Even if you think it's worthwhile to try to "learn" from an inherently poor "teacher" (which is the entire point of our trying to separate ourselves from him; there are more efficient - not to mention less agonizing - ways of learning what he claims to be teaching), in which case I question your sanity and intelligence, there are actual problems with what he's saying. Better teachers know how to "teach" without demanding total subservience and blind belief in an agenda of historical revisionism, denial of the value of empiricism, and misogyny (indeed misanthropy), in addition to the few honest and worthy points he blunders into. On the other hand, you could have somebody who is a raging racist anti-empiricist manage to be a better teacher than Icy; he combines an astounding number of unsavory character traits. He speaks of Kierkegaard but acts as if he can become the ubermensch through text, somehow.

All his activities are miserable and fruitless, rather like how he will never pollinate anything with that tiny dick of his.

Let me point one example right here on this thread.

Icy calm is crap at shooting games.Therefore his opinions and reviews are 100% worthless to me and most of the users of this forum.

I hope I've made myself clear this time.

You do realize that this is a forum about SHOOTING GAMES, not PHILOSOPHY with a tiny smidgen of SHOOTING GAMES. His URL is "insomnia.ac" and the .ac does not stand for Alex Kierkegaard. The insomnia is a reference to the many nights he stays awake gnashing his teeth that no wenches will suborn themselves to his will. One guess what that .ac stands for. Hint: Not Kierkegaard or philosophy.

No, icycalm is an expert in overgeneralizing the difference between "gamers" and, ugh, "hardcore gamers". He's trying to play dictator and say that he's an expert with no real evidence. There's casual reviews that you might see on GameFAQs and then there's his site's reviews. They're both cut from the same cloth.

The difference is that the casual reviews very often get to the heart of the matter. Like some folks, I struggle with balancing highly academic (i.e. specialized, pointless for most) points against the "bottom line" that most people are looking for. Both are valuable, but Icy's reviews are, I hear tell, not as helpful as they could be and the writer actually prides himself on not providing useful information when challenged. He doesn't take things very philosophically.

[Specineff]

As for what happened -- the same thing that has been happening ever since I started posting in videogame forums. I hold a mirror to people's faces, they see their ignorance and stupidity reflected in it, and then instead of learning from that and mending their ways they lash out at me, for showing them the mirror.

The Athenians poisoned Socrates for this.

The Jews crucified Jesus of Nazareth.

This is human nature.

Socrates took the poison willingly. He was ready to die for his beliefs, but didn't do it to spite those who disagreed with him. (He also had huge balls to do that, if you think about it.)

Jesus had mercy for everyone. Didn't call them names or condemn them. He only had an issue with the pharisees because they liked to single out the simple minded and abuse them to inflate their ego. And he called them out on it. (Oh, snap!)

(Jockel, I know you're only quoting Icy.)

[ZOM]

This thread is comedy gold

[undamned]

Kierkegaard was called “the Fork” as a child because of his uncanny ability to find people’s weaknesses and stick it to them.

Oh, man! To be known as "The Fork" would be so hard-core!

It's funny how the great overlord seems to send out his minions to this thread.

I don't believe he sends them, they're just devout followers of his writings.

Agreed. I have a hard time believing icy would care about a thread covering what he already knows people think of him.

Rather like the people who knock on my door from time to time, trying to sell me Jesus.

I'll make you a great deal

There are six billion people on this planet -- I have nothing to lose by banning 5.9999999 billion of them -- there will always be several million more to join my forum and contribute.

If there are 6 000 000 000 people, and you ban 5 999 999 900, there will only be 100 more.

Fortunately for Al, he got the world's population wrong.

Haha, I noticed that, too Math, what? This is Philosophy!!1


crithit5000, that Icycalm Vs Recap was excellent!

Resorting to namecalling and barb-throwing is a sign of weakness.

In fact we are all deranged, and it's about time we accepted it and learned to live with it.

By admitting to being deranged, he forgoes the position of authority/teacher on what is real/true.

How many more times will you make me repeat this?

Wow, proof that Icycalm has actually experienced the same feeling everyone else does when arguing with him.

My ass is invisible too, I assure you.

-ud

[The Coop]

I could care less what the hell he does with his life.

I'm not trying to be a dick, nor a grammar nazi, but the phrase is, "I couldn't care less". It's meant to be an insult which implies that what's being discussed is at the absolute bottom of your proverbial list of things you care about.

...

Which might be something you couldn't care less about

Edit: Talk about forgetting an important word. I forgot the "not" at the beginning. Boy did that give the wrong message.

[Jockel]

I could care less what the hell he does with his life.

I'm trying to be a dick, nor a grammar nazi, but the phrase is, "I couldn't care less". It's meant to be an insult which implies that what's being discussed is at the absolute bottom of your proverbial list of things you care about.

...

Which might be something you couldn't care less about

no didnt you get it? he's a huge icy fan and as such, there's nothing that is more important than what the great icycalm does with his life.

[gabe]

I'm not an icycalm supporter, nor am I an icycalm adversary.

That being said, I almost always enjoy his musings for one reason or another. Regardless of whether or not you agree with him, you have to admit that the man is entertaining. Proof of this can be found in this thread. How many other topics in this forum generate eight pages of discussion in a few short days?

[Udderdude]

I'm not an icycalm supporter, nor am I an icycalm adversary.

That being said, I almost always enjoy his musings for one reason or another. Regardless of whether or not you agree with him, you have to admit that the man is entertaining. Proof of this can be found in this thread. How many other topics in this forum generate eight pages of discussion in a few short days?

This is your idea of discussion? :P

[Skykid]

icycalm is certainly an expert in the games and genres he reviews.

You can tell how much of an expert he is by how many names he has to drop before feeling confident in his adopted opinion.

Why does he feel its grammatically correct to capitalise 'the shit'?

Ban.

[crithit5000]

It's obviously because the great philosophical minds of the human race would have wanted our dear icy to proclaim something -- a video game he likes! -- that is so great, so awe-inspiring that it merely can't be just "the shit"...no, it must be declared The Shit. Also they told him in his dreams to name drop the users of this here forum, because obviously anyone browsing reviews on some random website should have the common decency to know what these faceless names think about Ketsui. For icycalm is the savior; amen, amen.

[emphatic]

crithit5000, that Icycalm Vs Recap was excellent!

Yes

smart people know that "elitist" is not an insult but a compliment.

[Gungriffon Geona]

Icyc- I MEAN GARDENIA SORRY made my day. What a fun indicidual. I wonder, does he do parties?

[system11]

Icyc- I MEAN GARDENIA SORRY made my day. What a fun indicidual. I wonder, does he do parties?

Only all-male ones, dressed in togas.

[unsane]

[Not being insulting, just realistic.] In my internet travels i've come across only one other person as extreme as this one. It's entertaining and all as they are easy targets, but i think rather than reinforcement through mockery, these individuals desperately need psychological help. Barring that, they would be useful for study of internet megalomania. They crave pure control, surround themselves only with ppl who agree with them, creating a fantasy with them at the center. I wonder if that's what it's like being a dictator irl. Total control, surrounded by yesmen, etc...