Icycalm 2.0

[No_not_like_Quake]

Interesting how all the personal attacks in this thread so far have actually come from Icycalm haters

What the fuck is so interesting about that? It's a rather obvious conclusion.

[z0rly]

What the fuck is so interesting about that? It's a rather obvious conclusion.

And if you were smart enough to read into the implications of that conclusion, you wouldn't be making this post. ZOM, from his angry reply, certainly gets it.

[z0rly]

I did it for the lulz.

I know I haven't posted here much before, but I believe any forum is ill-served by having threads made in it "for the lulz." I'm so sorry that a few people in this thread have attempted to form an actual discussion (something that one would hope actually goes on in a thread) by actually offering their own perspectives on the matter that aren't in line with what you expected.

Perhaps you would be better served creating your own forum, with your own threads, each consisting solely of your own replies that are carefully crafted to fit with your fantasy world.

[RGC]

And if you were smart enough...

Spoken like a true protege.

"Have you even read Enjoy Your Garden: Gardening for Everyone by Charlie Dimmock. No. Your pathetic brain couldn't possibly comprehend its ramifications for videogaming culture. If you disagree that only proves my point (and proves you are a paedophile).

Postscript: Learn how to, punctuate, imbecile."

[No_not_like_Quake]

What the fuck is so interesting about that? It's a rather obvious conclusion.

And if you were smart enough to read into the implications of that conclusion, you wouldn't be making this post. ZOM, from his angry reply, certainly gets it.

I just stated the implication(s) of the first part of your sentence by saying it's an obvious statement. Oh yes, it's so telling that the haters would speak negatively about the object of their hate.

[AraraSPAMWitch]

Anyone who can read what I quoted and still have any sort of respect for him needs a mental enema.

That's actually a very fitting metaphor--I'd like to point out that the mental enema works both ways, however. Most of the philosophical positions you mention are not original to him, as I've already stated, but nevertheless they go against the conventional thinking of modern society. To accept them is to wipe the mind of the indoctrination--for even if you accept these ideals and find them beneficial, it is still undeniably indoctrination--we are given since birth in schools, newspapers, on television, and in nearly every form of media. So it makes sense that we will not see eye-to-eye on the issue--to do so would require a mental enema on either one of our sides.

Also, to any more claims of "sock puppetry" or being an "icybot" or whatever, I'm not. I was exposed to a lot of similar ideas about the world 5 or 6 years ago via a pretty famous metal site that's a bit like the insomnia of metal music, though quite a bit older and more political than Alex's site. I don't treat either website like the Bible and can find plenty of stuff on them that I find difficult to accept. Insomnia just encouraged me to read philosophy with more appreciation and to question my assumptions about the world further, and for the former alone I am grateful.

Anyway, I think this is probably as far as the conversation can go while staying civil, so let's just all agree that R-Type is fucking cool as hell.

[Thunder Force]

Insomnia just encouraged me to read philosophy with more appreciation and to question my assumptions about the world further, and for the former alone I am grateful.

This is a reasonable comment. The more folks ultimately take the time to explore philosophy, the better.

[Ed Oscuro]

I believe any forum is ill-served by having threads made in it "for the lulz."

That's why we have the High Scores and other on-topic subforums so we don't have to suffer through your 'thoughful' defenses of the indefensible.

Perhaps you would be better served creating your own forum, with your own threads, each consisting solely of your own replies that are carefully crafted to fit with your fantasy world.

Look who's talking.

It's clear he has some basic understanding about the subject

If only he would stick to "the subject," if by subject you mean the incredibly fascinating world of "games are not art" instead of the many other subjects he is not reticent about.

That's actually a very fitting metaphor--I'd like to point out that the mental enema works both ways, however. Most of the philosophical positions you mention are not original to him, as I've already stated, but nevertheless they go against the conventional thinking of modern society. To accept them is to wipe the mind of the indoctrination--for even if you accept these ideals and find them beneficial, it is still undeniably indoctrination--we are given since birth in schools, newspapers, on television, and in nearly every form of media. So it makes sense that we will not see eye-to-eye on the issue--to do so would require a mental enema on either one of our sides.

Put fish in you mouth.

[BryanM]

Right now I've got direct draw working at a smooth 85 fps but remember this is only in 2d. I'm concerned if it'll hold with dozens of guys and tiles on the screen however - guess supporting variable FPS is as inevitable as all the stars in the sky dying out. Even in 2d.

so let's just all agree that R-Type is fucking cool as hell.

I disagree!

[Specineff]

Yossi.

[crithit5000]

Recap Recap RECAP

[Elixir]

Does he act like a douche? Yeah. But hell, Jesus spent the last several years of his life trolling the Jews, so I feel Icy's in good company.

Congratulations, you're comparing an internet user to Jesus. Mission accomplished, everyone go home. This is what icycalm spends 12 hours a day online for.

Icy's only in good company because he bans anyone who isn't good company.

Perhaps you would be better served creating your own forum, with your own threads, each consisting solely of your own replies that are carefully crafted to fit with your fantasy world.

Do you realize that you've just accurately described icycalm's forum, right?

[Acid King]

Interesting how all the personal attacks in this thread so far have actually come from Icycalm haters, and they, unlike Icycalm's own personal attacks, have not been accompanied by any reasoned argument for or against the writing.

I don't think inserting insults and personal attacks in an argument makes it any more excusable, nor does it make the person who does it any less a jerk off.

[AraraSPAMWitch]

Congratulations, you're comparing an internet user to Jesus. Mission accomplished, everyone go home. This is what icycalm spends 12 hours a day online for.

People are raging a bit too seriously in this thread...that was a bit of a joke, and mostly at icy's expense...

[Ed Oscuro]

Interesting how all the personal attacks in this thread so far have actually come from Icycalm haters, and they, unlike Icycalm's own personal attacks, have not been accompanied by any reasoned argument for or against the writing.

I don't think inserting insults and personal attacks in an argument makes it any more excusable, nor does it make the person who does it any less a jerk off.

What's more, the topic itself was never about "the writing." Pointing out Icy's insanity is like pointing out the nose on a clown; it provides its own evidence. The mindset that a "reasoned argument" is necessary to state as much is further evidence of the depths of idiocy Icy has led his followers into.

[z0rly]

It's pretty hilarious how most of you, especially Ed Oscuro, are coming off just as insane as you're saying Icycalm is. I guess he really does rile people up that much.

[E. Randy Dupre]

I know I haven't posted here much before...

Perhaps you would be better served creating your own forum...

Physician, heal thyself.

[Gardenia]

It's almost a stereotype (of obscurantists, of charlatans, and the like) to use the defense of "you just don't get it", and I'd honestly never have expected to find myself tempted to apply it... but is it not overbearingly obvious here? I can't hold my peace anymore -- I have seen no attacks on Icy which held any real ground in all the time I've read Insomnia, and this thread is no different. I don't care if this automatically makes me some sort of "icybot" or whatever; this thread is a cauldron of terrible reasoning and petulant name-calling (JUS LIEIK ICY HIMSELF THEN HURR!11) which is made laughable by the fact that no one doing said name-calling has any reason to.

None of you "get" Alex's writings. It's as simple as that. It's as seemingly pretentious and self-righteous as that. None of you have really attacked any points made in his articles. You've attacked him, yes, and ad hominems are cute (and sometimes even effective). But none of you have taken any specific points of his and demonstrated how they are false, logically unsound, et cetera. Sure, you'll claim to have done this because you made some post disparaging how he "rambles on about... y'know, philosophy and like... videogames and shit and that's... wtf... philosophy dude... and science-bashing rofl wtf". But that doesn't cut it (and in any case, "science-bashing" was a seriously misleading term -- he did no such thing). Have you read all his work? Have you thought about it on its own merits, rather than on "whether I feel okay agreeing with icycalm"? Have you taken him up on his reading list, which he does say, after all, is necessary to understand him?

Unless you can answer "yes" to all of those questions, you've no ground to stand on with regards to berating this site... well, no, with regards to berating the author of this site, since that's all that any of you are really interested in.

[Gardenia]

And now we can play the ever-fun game of "count how long it takes til the word 'sockpuppet' is used"!

[Zeether]

Recap Recap RECAP

[Gardenia]

what a bell end he was. don't think i've ever seen someone lose so many arguments

Back this up with a link to these "arguments".

if i had to guess, i think he had a mental breakdown

Back this up with a scan of your license to practice psychiatry.

and he doesn't even do reviews anymore. it's all "thought pieces". the trouble is you can't even laugh at him getting all worked up over whatever it is this week because the first and last 100 words are some quotes from a philosophy book written a hundred years ago

Perhaps you could attempt (I know it'll be difficult) to read and understand those last 100 words and assess their relevancy before you dismiss them so lightly with your retarded smileys.

like, we'll use a quote from nietzche to explain why the DS is outselling the psp

Link me to the article where he does this.

and then if you haven't read the book that he's awkwardly quoted, you do not have any authority to comment on the issue of DS and psp sales, and your opinion is worthless because of that

He put up a reading list and stated that one must follow it in order to understand his own writings. Whether you agree with his claim or not, to completely ignore it, to think you can fully criticise his work whilst being in total ignorance of the protocol he's outlined for you to read it in, is simply intellectual dishonesty of the highest degree. You would not barge into a lecture on quantum mechanics and begin ranting on about how it's all a load of nonsense, if you haven't already read and understood basic physics. Well, no, you probably would, since that's pretty much what you've done here.

and then there's all the reviews and translations he stole from cave-stg. never seen anything so childish on what is supposed to be a serious website

Do you smile and laugh this much outside of the internet whilst discussing issues that aren't in the slightest bit funny? Why is it I can determine from a simple forum post that I'd find immense satisfication in connecting my fist with your jaw?

he's right and the world is wrong. that must be it

Rephrase slightly as "he's right and a vast number of other people are wrong" and you're on the money.

we should turn this into a "post your favourite icycalm quote" type of thread

We should turn this into a thread. LOL LOL LOL FUCKING LOL YOU IMBECILE.

[Gardenia]

...and little jpj seems to have deleted his post, hopefully due to the realisation that it was incoherent babbling.

No worries though! Here's the screencaps for all to revel in his flagrant retardation:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2061/jpj.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/141/jpj2.jpg

[crithit5000]

...how much of Icy's taint do you get to lick for coming here and defending his honor?

Also, Icy's such a dick that he actually got Recap of all fucking people pissed at him. That's cute.

[ZOM]

...and little jpj seems to have deleted his post, hopefully due to the realisation that it was incoherent babbling.

No worries though! Here's the screencaps for all to revel in his flagrant retardation:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2061/jpj.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/141/jpj2.jpg

You made screencaps?!
God what people this thread has summoned.... it's ridiculous

[RGC]

The way he treats people deems him worthy only of ad hominems, if that.

[Taylor]

Insomnia Defence Force: ASSEMBLE

[Gardenia]

lol

The posts previous to mine in this thread had already shown my points to be sound. You didn't have to come in after them and prove me correct again and again, guys, but I do appreciate the sentiment. Thank you.

[Ruldra]

LMAO. Speak the name icycalm and out comes his minions to defend him with all their strength. This thread is getting trashed just like when he was around.

Have you read all his work? Have you thought about it on its own merits, rather than on "whether I feel okay agreeing with icycalm"? Have you taken him up on his reading list, which he does say, after all, is necessary to understand him?

I doubt you can answer yes to all those questions. You're just yet another one of his blind followers.

[Gardenia]

[boring bullshit]

Again, unsubstantiated nonsense. I still await anyone to come forth with a real critique of icy's writings. A critique, that is, which demonstrates a true understanding of said writings, and analyses them point-by-point to highlight their shortcomings. That is the only sort of post which can possibly hold any weight in this thread. Otherwise you're simply squealing like fucking children.

[szycag]

Isn't the real joke taking video games that seriously? Let's use Nietzsche quotes to vilify Hulkamania. Or some other boyish diversion. No, please, give my childhood obsession literary vindication so I don't have to write my thesis on something boring.