Need Some Article Brainstorming Help (It's Up! Thanks all!)

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BulletMagnet wrote:I was going to let your original comment pass without incident, but I'm afraid that you and I have very different definitions of "a respectful manner" - if you don't like the concept at work here I've got no problem with that, but the "respectful" way to respond to this would have been to ignore this thread and the article
Ignoring something on which I have something to say is not respectful -- it is cowardly. You have your concepts mixed up.
BulletMagnet wrote:once it's up, as neither are clearly worth your valuable internet time.
I think I am entitled to judge myself what is worth and what isn't worth my valuable internet time, thank you very much.
BulletMagnet wrote:Instead, however, you decided to visit with the specific purpose in mind of telling me that "nobody would actually care" about what I'm writing
That was not my purpose. Read again what I wrote. My purpose was to attempt to redirect your energy towards something which I, and no do doubt many other intelligent STG fans, would deem more worthwhile. That was all. Your false interpretation of my intentions is nothing but a defense mechanism against my valid objections.
BulletMagnet wrote: - all the while ignorant, as others have pointed out, of the more "important" work I've posted previously
I am not ignorant of your other work. It just simply has no bearing on my point or the present discussion. I am in no way commenting on your previous work -- only on your current one. If I had anything to say on your previous work I would have said it in the appropriate threads.
BulletMagnet wrote:And as the icing on the cake, you have the gall to ask one of the mods (which includes me) whether you have permission to curse out someone else, when you know full well that you'd already done it, and that the post was deleted by one of my fellow mods - apparently that wasn't a clear enough signal for you as to the type of behavior we refuse to tolerate around here.
There is no gall involved. I was insulted and I am asking for the mods either to deal with the person who insulted me or to allow me to deal personally with him. This is all extremely logical. If you fail to empathize with the fact that I have been insulted in this thread (by being called a "troll" which I am clearly not), then that is not my problem. Deal with this any way you like -- ban me if you will. But I will not stand for this insult. Either the person apologizes in public (since his insult was public), or one of the mods reprimands him, again in public -- or, in the last resort, I reply to him in kind.

Or you can take the hypocritical way out and ban me and delete everything and pretend none of this happened.

Let's see what happens.
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About Gaiares: I posted earlier because I thought I had a solution to the Gaiares problem, but then realized I was mistaken and erased the post. Anyway, I tried playing the game again (after 15 years, did the game get harder?) and I still don't have a solution to your question. Sorry.

Anyway, I believe the pilot is alone. My impression is that even if someone were along for the ride and/or powering the supplemental unit, Dan Dare is still the man navigating the ship and choosing when to release the pod.

I'm afraid it's not any help, but there's an opinion.
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The only thing I can contribute with is that there are no women in Viewpoint, there are in fact no characters at all.

Looking forward to reading the article!
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Antoine wrote:My purpose was to attempt to redirect your energy towards something which I, and no do doubt many other intelligent STG fans, would deem more worthwhile.
I would respectfully recommend that if you are an STG fan that you do your utmost to stay a member of this forum.
Drop the silly crusade before someone drops your account dude.
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Against my better judgment, if you really want evidence that I'm not being "hypocritical" here, this is my last word on the items you mentioned: if you're still not satisfied that you've gotten my full attention after this, I don't know what to tell you. Whatever your feelings, however, this is as far as I'm bothering to go.
Antoine wrote:Ignoring something on which I have something to say is not respectful -- it is cowardly. You have your concepts mixed up.
What exactly do you think I was so "afraid" of? If I was that insecure regarding people who dislike my writing I could have deleted your comment from the get-go...or ceased the project altogether. Plainly enough, neither of those things are happening - obviously, then, the reason I would have preferred to let your original comment pass without further incident is because there's no way anything but additional hassle could have come from it, for either of us - the fact that I'm bothering to do this in the first place, I think, should be evidence enough that I do not share your viewpoint on the intrinsic "worth" of an article of this sort. So what exactly would have been gained by either of us if I'd bothered to respond, other than endless and empty back-and-forth claims that one of our personal viewpoints was superior? Again, if you think that a write-up like this is a waste of time, I'm not going to try to convince you or anybody else otherwise - as far as I'm concerned writing anything about video games, especially if you're not getting paid for it, is a waste of time to some degree, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop doing it. I think it's pretty safe to say that I'm not going to change your mind any more than you're going to change mine, but if you honestly needed to see my viewpoint in plain black and white, there it is, and it's not going anywhere.
That was not my purpose. Read again what I wrote. My purpose was to attempt to redirect your energy towards something which I, and no do doubt many other intelligent STG fans, would deem more worthwhile. That was all.
You can't seriously believe this. If, as you claim, you were aware all along of the more "substantive" stuff I'd written, why did you feel the need to "warn me of the error of my ways" regarding this particular piece? Did you think that writing this would make me forget what a "real" shmup article looks like? Or that it would somehow tarnish the "purity" of my work so far? What possible reason, other than the intrinsic valuing of your tastes over mine, could you have to come in here and, with your third post in over six months of membership, tell me out of nowhere that "no one would actually care" about what I'm doing, and that I should write something more in like with your personal preferences (note, once again, that if loads of other "intelligent" shmuppers, as you assert, feel the same way you do, they've had the sense to just ignore what I'm doing and leave it be? Anyway, if they're out there, which of them appointed you as their spokesman)? Why should the fact that one of my articles doesn't suit your mood justify a ham-fisted "suggestion" to write something "less worthless"? If you weren't purposely looking to stir something up with your original comment, then color me astounded at your utter lack of self-restraint...which, I'm sure, you'll eternally redefine as "honesty", and those who bristle at your sledgehammer diplomacy as "unable to handle the truth".

Finally, I don't know what other forums you've been to, but around here, when someone takes the time to pop into someone else's thread just to tell them what a waste of space their words are (even when a "superior suggestion" is generously included), it's called trolling, and as far as I'm concerned the response that prompted your previous font of venom was accurate - needless to say, I'm not going to be the one to demand an apology on your behalf. If you can find another mod who is willing to do it for you, be my guest - in the meantime, I'd advise you to keep any desire to "publicly defend yourself" firmly in check, as it's already gotten several of your posts removed from this thread (and, again, not by me).

I've wasted more than enough time on this - you wanted a full-fledged response from me, you've gotten it. I've left nothing out. From here on, if you're still THAT eager to convince me of my folly, PM me, though what you might expect to gain from taking this further is lost on me - any additional comments on this subject in this thread will be deleted and reported. From here, it's back to its original purpose.

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Dr. Fugue wrote:Anyway, I believe the pilot is alone. My impression is that even if someone were along for the ride and/or powering the supplemental unit, Dan Dare is still the man navigating the ship and choosing when to release the pod.
That was the impression I got as well, but I figured I'd better get a second opinion on it - it might not be "official", but your analysis is good enough for me, thanks for the help. :)
Dragoforce wrote:The only thing I can contribute with is that there are no women in Viewpoint, there are in fact no characters at all.
Okay, good to know - there were a few ports of the thing, so I figured I'd better check to see if any of them bothered to mess with the plot.

Thanks again for the help, everyone - any further questions on my part will be added later, though at this point I think things are just about wrapped up. :)
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slightly OT,

Is Faintear a playable character in Triggerheart Excelica?
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mr_m0nks wrote:slightly OT,

Is Faintear a playable character in Triggerheart Excelica?
Only in the PS2 version, where Faintear (boss) becomes Faintear Imitate.
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nZero wrote:
brokenhalo wrote:I can't remember her name but there was the female pilot from un squadron/ area 88....
Those are all guys :P
wow. i remember thinking that shin was a girl back in the day. :lol:
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nZero wrote:
brokenhalo wrote:I can't remember her name but there was the female pilot from un squadron/ area 88....
Those are all guys :P
I'm gay :shock:
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Dragoforce wrote:
nZero wrote:
brokenhalo wrote:I can't remember her name but there was the female pilot from un squadron/ area 88....
Those are all guys :P
I'm gay :shock:
This exchange got a hearty LOL from me. :mrgreen:

Anyhow, I'm a ways into the final article by now - I've also edited the extra questions at the beginning, as either you or I managed to clarify most of the previous bunch. Things are going well, your help continues to be very much appreciated. :)
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Yep, I'm still going with this. ;)

As the topic title now says, the first draft of this article is complete, and from here it's mainly a matter of fixing it up - I won't post its current form here, as it's currently around 9,000 words, but I DID adjust the first post once more, in hopes of obtaining some last-minute confirmation from you guys on a few points. Any help, as always, is much appreciated - I'm hoping to have the bugger up sometime next week, so if you have any info to offer, I'm all ears. Thanks again, everyone! :)
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Okay, I'm planning on completing the article's edits today and posting the sucker sometime tomorrow - if anyone has any additional insights to offer (especially connected to the inquiries in the first post), speak now or forever hold your peace. Will toss a link up here once the final draft is available.
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It's finished!

I don't know how much interest it'll generate either here or there, but if you've got the time and inclination feel free to have a look - constructive criticism is always welcome. Thanks once more to those who lent me a hand! :)
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You sure wrote a lot, especially for a blog post. If I were you, I'd try to get this posted as an article somewhere. Looks cool, I'll read it in a bit.


Edit: I don't want to bother signing up for that site just to make one post (anyone can reappropriate any of these comments there, I don't care either way), but that that1dude24 isn't making any sense in the comments. How is the fact you can't see the pilot while playing (his assertion) a sign of women in shmups always being eye candy? If they're supposed to be eye candy, then you should be able to actually see them, like in Harmful Park or Mushihimesama or something.
There are exceptions where they have some bearing on the plot, but (this might be from my experience, I haven't played anywhere near the amount of shmups you seem to have) the genre isn't exactly known for stellar stories, or having anything other than face value meaning. I don't think there are many shmups that make reference to gender just for kicks and giggles.
Does the gender of the characters have any bearing on the plot for 99% of games? Other than vapid stuff like "females need rescuing" and "the male lead needs a female interest," does it matter at all? Also, by being minimalist, most shmups have far better stories than games that spend more time on stories (since most game stories are awful), and have a lot more beyond face value meaning since there is more room out there to leave things unsaid. A typical RPG plot doesn't have anything beyond face value, because everything that happens is directly shown. Summing up, it is far, far more meaningful that the main character is a woman in Rayforce than it is in Final Fantasy 6 or Suikoden 3. Now there are exceptions like Valkyrie Profile, but my point is that I don't think there's any inherent difference here from genre to genre.


I felt kinda bad for that person who thought Pastel was a rare example of non-eye-candy.
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Enhasa wrote:If I were you, I'd try to get this posted as an article somewhere.
If I'm lucky the site may promote it to the front page...I'm honestly not sure who else might be interested in posting something like this. At least on there I can write whatever I feel like, and still possibly get some extra exposure to it if the winds are favorable...still haven't had an outside request (let alone a paid one) since that pair of racketboy compendiums, though, so I'm probably tilting at windmills in the first place.
I don't want to bother signing up for that site just to make one post (anyone can reappropriate any of these comments there, I don't care either way), but that that1dude24 isn't making any sense in the comments.
Yeah, I'm not quite sure what he's getting at either, but whatever - no need to make a big deal out of it, here or there.

Thanks again for the help. :)
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That was a good, albeit incredibly massive, read!

I think you have inspired me to do something with multi-directional shooters when I a lctually get around to finishing this huge spreadheet. :lol: The world needs more writing on games themselves rather than the industry surrounding said games.
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neist wrote:I think you have inspired me to do something with multi-directional shooters when I a lctually get around to finishing this huge spreadheet. :lol:
I actually used that spreadsheet as a reference for a few of my article's "borderliner" entries - best of luck to you on that project! :)
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Found a typo.
Out of the gate, the aforementioned Raizing and Psikyo quickly continued to expand their fanbases, which remain fiercely devoted down to this day – the former owes a particular debt of gratitude to its feminine front-runners, none more deserving than Gunbird heroine Marion
"Former" should be "latter".
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Estebang wrote:Found a typo.
Gah, good catch, just went and fixed it.
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