Batman Begins

Tar-Palantir · Post by **Tar-Palantir** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:48 am

LoneSage wrote:I'm pretty sure Ra's was Arabic or something in the comics, I could be wrong.

I thought he was Egyptian? But if he is Arabian, then that makes him Asian, for the Persian Gulf is part of Asia.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:37 am

postman wrote:Actually LoneSage, RAG wasn't Asian (didn't you remember the fight in Wayne Manor)........don't want to say too much to spoil things........

Just to comment on how the movie kept the plot close with the comic books, the "real" killer of Batman's parent was Joe Chill, as Batman Begins portrayed it. Hollywood rewrote Bat-history to make the Joker the killer for the first movie, but BB looks like it wants to follow the comics scriptwise. In comic lore (I think it was Year Two) Bruce, who has sworn never to use a gun to fight crime (becuase of his parents), does take up a firearm to kill Joe Chill......................

SPOILERS

but just as in the movie, someone else beats him to it. This person was the Reaper, who was a great enemy that they just left out of the movie completely (this is the unknown assassin of Joe Chill). After killing Chill, the Reaper proceeds to whoop Batman bad. I guess adding the Reaper to the movie would have been too much for the screenplay, so they just left him out alltogether. By the way, Todd McFarlane did the art for the reaper story, and it's a great read if you can track it down.

Umm...I get the impression that you and Lonesage are talking about completely different Batman comics. I don't think the older Batman comics have the same contitunity as Batman Year One. From what I heard, I thought that Batman Year One was also a retelling.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:53 am

Tar-Palantir wrote:
LoneSage wrote:I'm pretty sure Ra's was Arabic or something in the comics, I could be wrong.
I thought he was Egyptian? But if he is Arabian, then that makes him Asian, for the Persian Gulf is part of Asia.

Egypt is not on the Persian Golf. It's on the North Eastern part of the African continent & South Eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea & a part of it also borders with the Arabian Sea & Asia.
Not all Arabs are Asians however. Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco are all in Northern Africa & are all considered Arabian-Muslims countries.
Other Arabian countries like Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, S. Arabia etc, are in Asia.
On the other hand, Iran (Persia) & Turkey are Muslim-Asian countries but the people them selves are not Arabs.

Tar-Palantir · Post by **Tar-Palantir** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:14 am

Why not teach geography to someone who needs it, ST Dragon? Where did I imply that Egypt was on the Persian Gulf? (But wait, how do you know it's not? It never was a French colony anyway)

If you want to be a pedantic ass, I can too: Egypt used to be part of the United Arab Republic.

judesalmon · Post by **judesalmon** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:52 pm

^^ Take it easy fella.

In the film Ra's Al Ghul is, spoilers:

Played by Liam Neeson, as we discover towards the end of the film. Ken Watanabe was just a decoy.

LoneSage · Post by **LoneSage** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:10 am

old asian man

egyptian dude

that's the way I see it

Nevermind about it, I learned tonight Batman Begins is more of a re-telling, so Ra's Al Ghul could have been an Eskimo for all Nolan cared.

Edit: SPOILESR what the fudge judes! dang, I figured he just took it over and assumed identity, not being the real guy the whole time.