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No I'm not linking a list of any sort. I'm just curious about what games people believe to have been sorely under-rated. You know, those games you found awesome, but for some reason reviewers weren't sold, it didn't sell many copies, or maybe people just didn't realize it existed until it was out of print and thus lost forever. I have a few that pop to mind when I think of under-rated games, and it pains me when I think of the unlikelihood of them ever seeing the light of day again.

Resident Evil: Outbreak Files 1 and 2:

I'm not going to lie: I'm a huge Resident Evil fan. But even if I wasn't, I could see myself really digging these games. For those who don't know, RE:O was the name of Capcom's foray into Resident Evil online. You could play as 1 of 8 different characters, who each had different stats, abilities, item space, etc. You could team up with up to 3 other people online to tackle a variety of scenarios Resident Evil style, do Boss rushes, time challenges, etc. And given the variety (and surprising balance) between all of the character types, and the different difficulties, I never found it to get old (especially when your team sucks and you end up finding yourself going it solo while your team-mates try to kill you as zombies :P).

The games were hella fun and if the servers were still online, I know I'd still be going back for more. Reviewers unfortunately Found the lack of voice chat to be a problem (although I think it would have broken the atmosphere, and you still can talk to others with pre-set voice commands, although that can be a hassle sometimes admittedly), and pretty much gave it universal 7s. I blame the fact that PSN is a relatively weak online community for some of the failure as well. But the music was solid, story was well done, gameplay was unbelievably fun and usually pretty hectic, and there were tons of unlockables for replay value and online rankings. I wish it still had the servers up :(


Devil May Cry 2:

Just kidding. This game is terribad.


Chrono Cross:

Let's get this out of the way: Although technically a sequal to Chrono Trigger, it has very few tie ins to the original (you probably won't notice any if you don't go diggin into the obscurities); the combat system is different, You travel between 2 different dimensions instead of time and instead of focusing on the back stories of several specific characters they kind of just throw a hundred randoms in your face and say go. But if you actually take the time to play the game and pay attention, you realize it's actually pretty damn good. There are branching points to obtain the same goal, the storyline for the world kind of ties in subtly through tons of little pieces instead of the usual "I hear the king of that town across the ocean is actually a goblin" or some other blatant "go here" prod. But I found the combat system to be pretty awesome, and the ability to obtain a ton of different characters to add to the customizability of everything.

Don't get me wrong, it's definitely no Chrono Trigger (definitely one of the best games ever made period), but I think if you renamed the game, it would have been received a lot better than it was.

Any games you guys think of to be sorely under-rated?
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Terra Phantastica on the Saturn - a great SRPG with a nice western fantasy style, great character artwork, a unique gameplay system and really epic and lengthy battles. All the English reviews i've found on the web have been very favourable and I have no idea how well it sold, but it's under-rated in the sense that seemingly few outside of Japan have heard of it, let alone played it, although it gained some notoriety when an American magazine mis-labelled it as 'Phantasy Earth' and fans assumed it was a Saturn sequel to the Phantasy Star series.

Shinobi GG 1 & 2 on the GameGear - I always see Shinobi fans dismiss these pair of handheld Shinobi titles, but for me they're two of my favourite in the series and easily among the best on the GameGear.

Also, I definetly agree with you about Chrono Cross - the game would definetly have been recieved so much better had it not been linked with Chrono Trigger, but even so i'm often suprised at the hate spewed forth by disillusioned CT fans.
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Metal Wolf Chaos.... a very fun mech game running on the Otogi engine.
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Gunvalkyrie for the Xbox. Beautiful game. Brutally hard but ultimately extremely satisfying upon completion. Just one of those games where all the elements came together to create something truly amazing. Proof that Sega once made great games.
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Zombies Ate My Neihgbours for SNES. Its like it got rediscovered when the emulation scene grew AFTER the console had gone through its cycle. Nobody cared about it when it was actually released
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Weird, I recall it backwards: back in the day, Zombies Ate My Neighbours was widely praised, yet I found it terrible. :P
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EVO: The Search For Eden
While sometimes grindy, and the levels aren't a platform playground wonderworld like the Marios, it still had some nice ideas toward what a platformer RPG could be.

Guild Wars 2
Somehow this isn't on the hype train of annoyance, and it should be. I should be sick of hearing about it already, like Those Other Games. You know what I'm talking about. The ones with zombies and one armed World War II veterns and such.

Shining Force
Maybe they were on the wrong system or whatever. Just doesn't seem to get mentioned as often as it should.
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P.N.03 although most reviewers didn't find it exactly terrible, it got nowhere near the credit it deserves.
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I'm gonna go with a racer here.

Vanishing Point is till my favourite racer so far. I love arcade racers, but I also like the depth that some racing sims provide (but not too much!!). This game nails it for me. I didn't like it at first until I realized that 90% of the game is unlockable....90%!! All you get to start are some lame cars that handle poorly and a really bland brown looking track...ugh!.

So I loaded a save file off the vmu backup cd and suddenly there's the awesome game available. The tracks are just gorgeous with a good range of atmosphere, and the rest of the cars are great. I love the lotus elise 111S. I believe the Viper RT/10 is the holy grail unlockable but I can't harness it's speed in the game.

Also the AI is very cruel! The civilian traffic wants to run you off the road! Makes it much more challenging in a way that I seem to like, and everyone else to hate. But hey, there aren't any other cars in time trial mode so nyeeh!

The creative use of tunnels and turns completely eliminates any of the 'rendering scenery' that many other racers had at the time. Maybe that's why they called it Vanishing Point?

The chicken mode for multiplayer is a race where you each start at the other end of the track. Hilarity usually ensues.

the stunt racing is where you can really tell the sega influence with all the funny challenges. And I believe one of the tracks is inspired from scud racer.

I really love the music too. Goes from trance to jungle to ...uh.. ambient trance? I'll say chillout ;)

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P.N.03 although most reviewers didn't find it exactly terrible, it got nowhere near the credit it deserves.
agreed - great game that pretty much found itself in the bargain bin from the second week of release.

Also agree with other peoples comments on Gunvalkyrie - it seemed to suffer a lot in reviews due to the controls but in truth it was a great game once you got used to it (and most gamers SHOULD be able to adapt to the controls which feel pretty damned natural once learned)

Other game :

Chromehounds (x360) - turgid single player and a delayed online launch meant it got poor review scores. Online was absolutely amazing. Still best game i've played this gen. Loved it - Feb sees the servers shut down though, so it'll be back to being a terrible game come feb!
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Gunvalkyrie kind of made me want to get an Xbox.

Very odd, but the only other games on the system that tempted me had boobs or ninjas in them...
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I was going to list a bunch but they're not really underrated. Like Seiken Densetsu 3, or ICO, which I wouldn't say is underrated any more thanks to the power of the internet. So I'll just go with:

Alundra

The spiritual sequel to Landstalker and an amazingly well done game. It's 2D and it's aged very well in comparison to other games like Xenogears or FF7, which are not worth playing today. Unfortunately this game suffered from "horrifuckingly bad sequel" syndrome, with Alundra 2 feeling like it wasn't even a sequel, just a mess. I'd like to play this game again sometime.

Gitaroo Man

Before there was Ouendan, there was Gitaroo Man. It's basically a rhythm game which uses the analogue stick, combined with directions and buttons. I ended up seeking out the JP version (which came with janken cards) as well as the demo. In Japan, they released a retail-like demo (which also came with janken cards) which included one stage and a few minigames. The minigames were removed from the final game, like Puma's Donut Challenge, but they're still fun. All of the songs are unique and the game is just fun.

Surprisingly, very, very little has been changed regarding Gitaroo Man's JP and PAL releases. The OP is now in English, but all the songs remain in Japanese. One of the European demos included an English version of one of the songs (Flyin' to my Heart, I think) but it was never released in the end.
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Armored Core: Last Raven - not so bad (the sound and the boring & confusing missions actually), but it has its own best moments (decent VR Arena, plenty of parts, etc). oh yeah, especially this is the first AC with so many branching plots (correct me if I'm wrong)
Dynasty Warrior series & Dynasty Warrior: Gundam series: Who said hack & slash boring? At least this game can throw thousands of enemies for you to slash in a time (although the gameplay can be very repetitive). The latest DW series at least (from DW6?), has better voice actors, too.
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Simple 2000 series vol. 81: Earth Defence Force 2/Global Defence Force

Though It's generally rated highly among those who've played it, it wasn't given anywhere near the level of exposure it deserved, at least here in the west.
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Elixir, Alundra's US pricing doesn't quite fit the category of "underrated"

I hear Gitaroo Man mentioned all the time as well.

RE Outbreak...I gotta pick those up sometime, wonder how much I can do with them offline.
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Elixir wrote: It's 2D and it's aged very well in comparison to other games like Xenogears [...] which are not worth playing today.
You take that back >: ( Xenogears is a damn fine game! Actually, if you put smoothing on from the PS2 or 3, you'll notice a SIGNIFICANT graphical improvement, almost to the point where it's a different game entirely. Most of the graphical issues people had with Xenogears were just because of the rough outlines of sprites and such.
Ed Oscuro wrote:RE Outbreak...I gotta pick those up sometime, wonder how much I can do with them offline.
You can still play the entire game offline and unlock everything (although you can't play the boss rushes or time attacks IIRC... But it's been a little while thanks to the server shutdown and I might be wrong on that), but it's not even remotely in the same league as online. Your AI pals are morons, and it's pretty easy to tell most of the time that it was intended for an online audience. As a result it feels empty in general offline.
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Off the top of my head, stuff I personally played quite a lot of:

JetRider (PS1): It looked like a crummy Wave Race 64 cash-in, but this was one of the most innovative and enjoyable arcade racers of the era, with some really flexible controls, difficult opposition, and great course design. Unfortunately the two sequels got increasingly worse, but this deserved way more than the middling ratings it earned.

Super Double Dragon (SNES): Didn't look much in the light of SoR2, but there was a surprisingly deep and enjoyable fighted under the dated visuals, that again, earned nothing more than vague praise.

Luigi's Mansion (GC): Which seemed damned for simply not being a platform game. Never mind that it was quirky, original, full of nice touches, hugely addicitve and brilliantly designed - it wasn't a follow-up to Mario 64. See also Sunshine, which drew criticism for 'only' being the second-best 3D platformer ever.

Sega Rally (X360): Technically, I sippose this wasn't under-rated as it emerged to pretty decent reviews, but folk just seemed to tire of, and forget about it really quickly and I can't for the life of me understand why. Maybe a game that was blatant about its coin-op heritage was just a poor fit in the incresingly tiresome 360 scene, maybe I'm utterly wrong, I just feel this never really got the long-term (relatively speaking) recognition it deserved.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:Elixir, Alundra's US pricing doesn't quite fit the category of "underrated"

I hear Gitaroo Man mentioned all the time as well.

RE Outbreak...I gotta pick those up sometime, wonder how much I can do with them offline.
Pricing? People discovering games years after they've been released drives prices up? Just because something's mentioned somewhere, doesn't make it not underrated.

I have a feeling that The Wizard of Oz DS is going to fit into this category easily, since it was released on the 27th and everyone has seemed to missed the release of it.
Solarus wrote:You take that back >: ( Xenogears is a damn fine game! Actually, if you put smoothing on from the PS2 or 3, you'll notice a SIGNIFICANT graphical improvement, almost to the point where it's a different game entirely. Most of the graphical issues people had with Xenogears were just because of the rough outlines of sprites and such.
Xenogears was decent at the time I suppose. The smoothing/blur filter thing doesn't "improve" graphics, it just adds something to them to make them look different. They need to remake Xenogears into a visual novel or proper remake. If I had my way, I'd make a visual novel and cut out that big bloated bit in the second disc that doesn't really have any attachment to the game. Fans would go crazy at this though.
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Elixir wrote:
Solarus wrote:You take that back >: ( Xenogears is a damn fine game! Actually, if you put smoothing on from the PS2 or 3, you'll notice a SIGNIFICANT graphical improvement, almost to the point where it's a different game entirely. Most of the graphical issues people had with Xenogears were just because of the rough outlines of sprites and such.
Xenogears was decent at the time I suppose. The smoothing/blur filter thing doesn't "improve" graphics, it just adds something to them to make them look different. They need to remake Xenogears into a visual novel or proper remake. If I had my way, I'd make a visual novel and cut out that big bloated bit in the second disc that doesn't really have any attachment to the game. Fans would go crazy at this though.
The "story-telling" nature of the second disk occurred because of a budget cut Square imposed on the development team so that they could release the game earlier. It's pretty much universally shunned by fans, causing a lot of people to create fanfics describing their own version of the actual events that occurred during the story parts :P Ideally, everyone wants the 2nd disc to be an actual game like the first disk was, which would essentially double the length of an already massive game. Unfortunately I won't worry about that ever happening, due to the development team mostly having either gone to Namco (some working with Monolith Soft, the guys who made the Xenosaga series), or retiring outright. Just getting the rights to make the game alone would require more headache than a lot of people are probably willing to put in, so unfortunately one of the greatest games ever made will probably never see a sequel or even a remake :(
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Enthusia for the ps2. Before this game was released it was billed as some sort of Gran Turismo-killer, back when people actually cared about such a thing. This game took car physics to another level that still has yet to be matched on a Sony console.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUex2w1lk4E

See? GT5:P still doesn't even come close.

Another point: The racing was actual racing not wall riding and even though your car didn't take damage it had a unique way of punishing dirty racers. It's just a shame Konami doesn't release a sequel on the xbox 360, where it would be appreciated.
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I came in here to say Azure Dreams, but then I realized that it's not that great.
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Dungeons of the Unforgiven. Seriously, the game is so bad it's good.
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Strike Force Hydra... nuff said.
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Elixir wrote:Pricing? People discovering games years after they've been released drives prices up? Just because something's mentioned somewhere, doesn't make it not underrated.
I sold the game probably 7-8 years ago and the ebay price looks the same. Not that it isn't good and a little hidden. Similar criteria: Silent Bomber, without a doubt one of the best PS1 games and best 3D action game on the system. The only thing I've played that's even somewhat like it since is Red Faction Guerrilla (ruined by GTA-ing).

Bio Metal is legit underrated.

Streets of Rage 3 is the best (fastest, most challenging) game in the series. Lots of Genesis games don't get their due.
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I hate to just link to another post I made elsewhere, but there's no way in hell I'm typing all of that again. Also this forum has no spoiler tag. I'm quoting the intro though because it applies here.
First I need to get this out of the way. I don't like threads like these. What they turn into are "games I like" and there's no point. The main culprit is that different things are being mixed together; people see "underrated" and they think "underappreciated" or "obscure," which are totally different things. Also, answering the actual question is usually boring, because the most underrated games tend to be games that are considered terrible but are merely mediocre or decent, yet people answer with all-time faves. And of course this means usually over half the games suggested are actually overrated. Then you have the "so underrated, they're overrated" games like Chrono Cross that are silly to include because opinions now are all over the place.

Finally, this isn't gonna stop losers like me from posting, but this thread is in its very nature relatively useless. Whenever I see this, there is always an implicit or explicit aspect of "recommend me some games." But if you think a game is highly underrated, by definition someone else probably won't like it as much as you. Think about it.

Elixir is funny because he parrots the same tired opinions and inaccuracies that basically every single other person who plays Japanese games on the entire internet thinks (Alundra is a spiritual sequel to Landstalker, Xenogears ought to be a visual novel instead, etc) but somehow has the idea he has these uncommon viewpoints and tastes. Alundra and Gitaroo Man are godawful terrible examples of underrated games. Same with SD3 and Ico, they were never underrated by any stretch of the imagination. They're overrated by most people who play them, and overappreciated and frankly overexposed on the internet. I'm not slagging on the games either, I think they're all at least decent, and a couple really good. They just don't fit this thread, but like I said, this thread is all "games you like" because people don't understand what underrated means.

Good picks in this thread include GG Shinobi, Silent Bomber, Luigi's Mansion, PN03, Gunvalkyrie, Chromehounds... although the last three are like Chrono Cross in that they're so typically touted as underrated that they're really not. And let's be real, if someone wanted to back DMC2, that would be the best choice in the first post, just because everyone hates it. I mean, let's look at the math. There are tons of games, their quality fits on a standard normal distribution (bell curve). But ask most people to rate games and their curve is more uniform/flat or even u-shaped -- look at any movie on imdb to see what I mean. This means that really most lowly-considered games are underrated and most highly-considered games are overrated. But again, that's boring. But it's still true.

Debating whether or not games like Xenogears are any good dilutes the thread focus even more. Not that that's inherently bad or anything, just interesting when it's the OP doing it.


Solarus: Honestly, everyone I've seen who likes Xenogears likes the 2nd disc more than the 1st. Maybe that's because you pretty much have to, or else admit the game is flawed. Monolith is a Nintendo 1st party developer now, just FYI if you didn't know. And the Xenogears guys didn't move to Namco, that was just their publisher. Also, Xenogears already has sequels/prequels made. You don't get to pretend they never existed even if you don't like them. :P
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I actually enjoy Söldner-X quite a bit. Yes, it is a euro-shmup and should not be viewed upon as a arcade-shmup. But that doesn't make it automatically bad. The music is awesome, the graphic is really nice and the overall presentation is good. People usually complain about your weapon being under-powered, but once you understand the scoring and chain-system your weapon starts to level up as well making it a completely different experience.
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Enhasa wrote:Elixir is funny because he parrots the same tired opinions and inaccuracies that basically every single other person who plays Japanese games on the entire internet thinks (Alundra is a spiritual sequel to Landstalker, Xenogears ought to be a visual novel instead, etc)
I don't think "every other person" plays Alundra. Alundra is a spiritual sequel to Landstalker. t was made by Matrix Software, by members originally with Climax. That's like saying "Toaplan didn't influence Cave". Landstalker also was set for PSP, maybe you'd like to take a look at this video I uploaded in 2006. Keep adding random stuff like this and you might as well take up a twitter account.

The reason behind wanting Xenogears made into a visual novel is because the graphics haven't aged very well at all. Actually, they looked fairly poor even at release. There's no way I'm playing through that pixellated mess in this day and age. I think it would make an amazing visual novel if done correctly. I'm aware that it won't happen, but it's highly overrated and doesn't belong in this thread.
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