Gamega says TF6 is No.1 of the most disappointing sequels

[Kollision]

I just got a chance to sit down with this game, and I can't believe you have all your weapons from the start. That's just a big mistake right there...

Play with Rynex-R after unlocking it. On Hard or Maniac.

[Cuilan]

4) Every Extend Extra Extreme: Boggles the mind that this update/sequel could be so terrible.

Disagree with you there. The game is alright, as long as you pretend Unlimited mode doesn't exist.

10) Descent 3: Not a bad game at all, but not what I wanted, but this really shouldn't have been surprising in retrospect. I think this one had a different developer as well.

After Descent 2, Parallax Software was divided into two teams : Outrage Entertainment and Volition. Descent 3 was developed by Outrage. The only thing that really disappointed me about Descent 3 was the soundtrack. Should have been more like 2's.

You can't get two people to agree on where FF jumped the shark (if ever). People argue for 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, and probably 13 even though it's not even out yet.

Pretty sure most oldschool FF fans would agree that FF7 was the beginning of the end. FF8 wasn't that big of a disappointment, since after playing FF7 I knew what to expect.

P.S. FFT should have been the real FF7.

[Raizen1984]

Well, since everyone else is doing it:

1. Metroid II: Return of Samus
2. Dino Crisis 3
3. Mega Man X6
4. Sonic Adventure 2
5. R-Type Final
6. Tekken 4
7. Final Fantasy X-2
8. R-Type Leo
9. C: The Contra Adventure
10. Advanced Guardian Heroes

In no particular order, and I'm sure I missed a ton more worthy, though I just listed them as they came to mind. Probably how the original list was concocted too. *shrug*

[gs68]

also, also

DJMAX Portable Black Square. Low framerate on some songs (a breaker in a rhythm game), AUTO FUCKING CORRECT (which you cannot turn off), and bullshit unlock system. One-upped only by DJMAX Trilogy.

[bucklemyshoe]

3. Mega Man X6

Explain please!

[Raizen1984]

3. Mega Man X6

Explain please!

It felt rushed and unnecessary. The way the screen scrolled made many of the levels tedious and frustrating. Keiji Inafune publicly insulted it. Dumb boss names.

I like the music, but that's the extent. It was so bad that it completely killed my interest in the series, and I never played X7 or X8 as a result. (apparenty I'm not missing much).

[Enhasa]

Rastan 2 and Ikari Warriors 2 are some good arcade examples, people have probably mentioned them already.

4) Every Extend Extra Extreme: Boggles the mind that this update/sequel could be so terrible.

Disagree with you there. The game is alright, as long as you pretend Unlimited mode doesn't exist.

Even in timed modes, it's just a bottom-tier rhythm game. All you do is every time you spawn, explode on the next downbeat, repeat until timeup. If I wanted a rhythm game, I would play a better game. And the arena shooter mode is a bottom-tier arena shooter. Also I hear Sirlin likes this game. The point is: lots of time and effort were spent in making this game much inferior to E2 and E3. Should have just ported E3. The guy who originally made E2 was hired by Q Entertainment, I hope he didn't break down crying.

The only thing that really disappointed me about Descent 3 was the soundtrack. Should have been more like 2's.

3 is good, I guess my problem is it doesn't feel like Descent. 3 is too sterile and boring. Part of that is the graphics engine but most of that is the design. 1-2 are raw and claustrophobic and have confusing, dizzying stage layouts. You're always destroying a reactor and then trying to race to the exit in time. 3 has more traditional stage layouts, outside environments, escort missions, goofy multiplayer modes, and in-game cinematics. This dev article pretty much sums it up: "what went right" was the technical aspects of graphics, AI, etc, "what went wrong" was "lack of direction or vision" and "no standardized level design tools."

Pretty sure most oldschool FF would agree that FF7 was the beginning of the end. FF8 wasn't that big of a disappointment, since after playing FF7 I knew what to expect.

P.S. FFT should have been the real FF7.

I'd go with 7 too but that's beating a dead horse. The three games I resent the most are Half-Life (although it's a decent game), Mario 64 (although it's only mediocre), and FF7 (which yeah, is pretty awful). Most people love FF7 though and those other games too, and wouldn't call them the beginning of the end. I'm not telling them what to think.

P.S. FFT is solid but it's one of the most disappointing sequels if you count it as the sequel to Tactics Ogre.

[kozo]

I'm one of the, oh, three people in the world that think FF8 is better than 7. I truly think it's one of the best in the series, but more for snotty artistic reasons than anything. I love the non-SD, realistic art and graphics which are very refined for the time; the unified style and look of the world as a whole (instead of "ooh, ninja town. ooh, hi-tech town. ooh, medieval town," it has a consistent culture); and I ashamedly admit that I think the plot being based around two people falling in love is fun, different and better than most. My wife liked it too, so that helps. She commented that most of the outfits and hairstyles in the game resemble actual clothing that actual people could wear (especially Rhinoa) and, being into sewing and fashion, that caught her eye (Persona 4 did the same thing for her.) It's art design is rooted in reality and I appreciate that.

FF8 is a very stylish game with some still unique concepts, and I think much of the criticism it gets is undeserved due to the game following FF7. Had it been called "Whatever: The Adventures of Squall" instead of FF8, I think people would be less whiny about it. I understand gameplay critiques since much of the game is cryptic and discourages leveling up, but I still think it gets too much flak.

On the other hand, FF7 started out incredibly - Midgar is the coolest thing ever, and the plot was very tightly focused - but for me, it fell apart once you stepped on green grass. Just lost all focus at that point. But what an epic first 5-10 hours...

More on topic, if there is such a thing, ( ) Suikoden III is probably my #1 disappointment sequel. Great plot once it gets rolling, but the graphics, pacing, music, combat system and amount of sitting through endless battle animations is everything wrong with bad RPGs. On the opposite end, Persona 4, Crimson Sea 2, Suikoden V, Ys II Eternal, Ys Seven and ESPECIALLY Front Mission 5 are all games that blew me away, both on their own and in comparison to their previous entry in their series.

[drunkninja24]

3. Mega Man X6

Explain please!

I like the music, but that's the extent. It was so bad that it completely killed my interest in the series, and I never played X7 or X8 as a result. (apparenty I'm not missing much).

X8 is worth checking out IMO. X7 is pure unmitigated fecal matter though, definitely the worst of the X series.

Anyway, one of my biggest sequel disappointments was Xenosaga II. Everything felt so stale and toned down from the first game (lack of cool spell/special attack effects was a big one for me), the new art style was a strange and unnecessary shift, and the in-game music just didn't stand up to the amazing work from the first game. Thankfully the third game redeemed the series for me

As for my most disappointing "sequel": Mobile Light Force 2

[Solarus]

X8 is worth checking out IMO. X7 is pure unmitigated fecal matter though, definitely the worst of the X series.

Anyway, one of my biggest sequel disappointments was Xenosaga II. Everything felt so stale and toned down from the first game (lack of cool spell/special attack effects was a big one for me), the new art style was a strange and unnecessary shift, and the in-game music just didn't stand up to the amazing work from the first game. Thankfully the third game redeemed the series for me

As for my most disappointing "sequel": Mobile Light Force 2

Yeah Xenosaga 2 was a bit dissapointing, but I think they initially intended to make the series a whole lot longer than they did and had to do a bunch of crunch work when they realized they wouldn't be able to get 6 games out of it

If you consider Xenosaga 1 to be a prequel to Xenogears, most dissapointing sequel/prequel ever would be an understatement, despite it being a decent game ;p (although it isn't technically a sequel/prequel, some people still think that way).

[lgb]

Pretty sure most oldschool FF fans would agree that FF7 was the beginning of the end.

well here you are, and you pretty much played into Enhasa's point

P.S. FFT should have been the real FF7.

lol

[gs68]

final fantasy 7 more like final steampunkasy 7 am i rite

[Cuilan]

Even in timed modes, it's just a bottom-tier rhythm game. All you do is every time you spawn, explode on the next downbeat, repeat until timeup. If I wanted a rhythm game, I would play a better game. And the arena shooter mode is a bottom-tier arena shooter.

I still think the original is the best one, but I don't mind E4's rhythm-based gameplay too much. R4 mode is ok as an extra, I'd place it somewhere in between Geometry Wars 1 and 2 as far as arena shooters go. I view all the other modes as just decent-at-best extras as well, but as a whole I felt the game was good.

3 is good, I guess my problem is it doesn't feel like Descent. 3 is too sterile and boring. Part of that is the graphics engine but most of that is the design. 1-2 are raw and claustrophobic and have confusing, dizzying stage layouts.

I agree that 3 didn't feel like the previous two, but being less claustrophobic and confusing/dizzying was a good thing in my eyes. Perhaps it was the lack of vision/direction that made the game feel more "balanced" in that regard.

And I also agree that FFT would have been disappointing if it were a sequel to Tactics Ogre, but thankfully it wasn't.

I'm one of the, oh, three people in the world that think FF8 is better than 7. I truly think it's one of the best in the series, but more for snotty artistic reasons than anything. I love the non-SD, realistic art and graphics which are very refined for the time; the unified style and look of the world as a whole (instead of "ooh, ninja town. ooh, hi-tech town. ooh, medieval town," it has a consistent culture); and I ashamedly admit that I think the plot being based around two people falling in love is fun, different and better than most. My wife liked it too, so that helps. She commented that most of the outfits and hairstyles in the game resemble actual clothing that actual people could wear (especially Rhinoa) and, being into sewing and fashion, that caught her eye (Persona 4 did the same thing for her.) It's art design is rooted in reality and I appreciate that.

On the other hand, FF7 started out incredibly - Midgar is the coolest thing ever, and the plot was very tightly focused - but for me, it fell apart once you stepped on green grass. Just lost all focus at that point. But what an epic first 5-10 hours...

That's pretty much how I felt about FF7 and FF8.

well here you are, and you pretty much played into Enhasa's point

Yeah, and? I'm not one to waste a good opportunity to bash FF7.

[Elixir]

also, also

DJMAX Portable Black Square. Low framerate on some songs (a breaker in a rhythm game), AUTO FUCKING CORRECT (which you cannot turn off), and bullshit unlock system. One-upped only by DJMAX Trilogy.

It's kinda hard not to be disappointed by something that uses the PSP controls instead of the PC ones. I used to play DJMAX online against others, until the Korean servers died. It's just not the same on the PSP.

[Sasupoika]

final fantasy 7 more like final steampunkasy 7 am i rite

Makontasy. Or something.
FF6 was more awesome and more steampunk than 7 was.

[Solarus]

I'm also one of the ones that considers FFVI to be the best in the series. I wouldn't go so far as to say FFVII was a shitty game by any means, but I don't think it quite deserves all of the butt secks it's been getting over the years.

[Strider77]

I don't think FF IV deserves lots O butt secks either..... most over rated game ever in my book. Phantasy Star was leagues ahead for it's time.

[gs68]

also, also

DJMAX Portable Black Square. Low framerate on some songs (a breaker in a rhythm game), AUTO FUCKING CORRECT (which you cannot turn off), and bullshit unlock system. One-upped only by DJMAX Trilogy.

It's kinda hard not to be disappointed by something that uses the PSP controls instead of the PC ones. I used to play DJMAX online against others, until the Korean servers died. It's just not the same on the PSP.

My complaint is not with the PSP controls (DJMAX to go, come on!); rather it's the shitty mechanics that Pentavision decided to implement in BS that made it a disappointment compared to, say, DJMAX Portable 2.

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also I think I know why Thunder Force VI "failed", I find it interesting, and I'd like to see things done differently. anyone who's played Thunder Force VI (not me lol!) should know exactly what I'm talking about, it's somewhat obvious